I recently purchase a M&P 45. I am considering a Apex Forward Set Sear and Trigger Kit. I am interested to know how this has worked for those of you that have installed this on your M&Ps.

thanks!

PerfectlyTo me, an Apex kit is SOP for any M&P i have ever owned. The newer Shield has a better trigger i've been told, but none of the M&Ps i have shott had a decent stock trigger. With the Apex kit, they are just sweeeeet shooters! Mike

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A great upgrade in my opinion....well worth the money. It gives the trigger a great feel and I believe better control.

The FSS kit runs about $80 more than their other trigger kits. The FSS moves the trigger break just slightly forward. What the kit improves most is it eliminates most all the pre-travel/take-up. With the other kits there is about 3/8 inch trigger take up until the sear starts moving. With the FSS kit, the trigger at rest position is further back than the stock or other Apex kits starting point. The sear starts moving almost at the same time as the trigger begins to move with little to no take-up..

From sear pick-up to end of trigger movement (over travel), the length of the trigger movement is similar for all the Apex trigger kits. The FSS eliminates the first 3/8 inch of trigger movement, but once it picks up the sear, the trigger movement is the same as the other Apex kits. Follow this link to the Apex video which shows the actual FSS trigger pull at the 19 minute time frame:

http://*******/FSSKIT

I have a Shield 40 with the Apex kit. So I do have the 3/8 inch of take-up before the sear starts moving. After that I have 1/16 inch total pull and a tad over 1/16 inch reset. The FSS is not available for the Shield. If you use the Apex duty/carry springs, the trigger pull is 5 to 5.5 pounds. I used the stock Shield springs and this dropped my pull to 4.25 pounds. I swapped out the Shield trigger spring with a stock Glock trigger spring and my pull is now 3.75 pounds, just where I want it. I also added a trigger over travel stop, which eliminated most all of the over travel. This video at the 8 minute 22 second time frame shows the trigger pull with the stop:

M&P Shield Over Travel Stop - YouTube

I am sure I will get comments about that being an unsafe trigger for carry and should only be used on a range gun. Improvements to a gun, that allow you to shoot it better, makes it a better carry gun. The lighter trigger pull and trigger stop, on my Shield, helps me shoot it more consistently and have faster recovery. People should practice shooting their carry gun, so they become used to the trigger pull, recoil and recovery, and can shoot it accurately. What makes a safe carry gun is training and practice, and knowing your gun. Also if you follow proper gun safety rules, your finger should be off the trigger until you know your target and are ready to fire. The Shield has a manual safety. I carry with that safety on and practice flipping it off, with my thumb, as I draw my weapon. I also might have a better idea as to how I would react in a stress situation, as I spent many years in LE, in a high crime inner city.

I would agree that a long, heavy trigger pull is what an inexperienced shooter should have. This would also apply to those that have experience, but fail to practice often with their carry gun.

Bob

Bob:

I too carry a M&P Shield .40. I do not have the years of experience in law enforcement as you do, but i do practice with my carry firearm regularly. I agree that a lighter trigger would improve accuracy. I am very interested in reducing the trigger weight in both of these firearms. 3.75 is a bit too light for me to carry but for my M&P 45 which I use for punching paper it would be great. Did you do the work yourself or did you have a gunsmith do the work?

thanks,

mike

I installed the FSS in my FS M&P9 awhile back and never looked back. It's my range gun, competition gun and HD gun. As has been said above, with plenty of training/practice comes familiarity so I am not worried in the least about having a 4.5lb trigger pull with 1/8" pretravel and virtually no overtravel. I don't have a manual safety on my gun, it's on my hand in the shape of my index finger.

I did it myself and it is easy. You just need a little mechanical ability. The M&P line of guns are easy to take apart, work on, and re-assemble. There are lots of YouTube videos showing how to work on these guns. By just putting in lower pressure springs, you could drop the stock pull by around one pound. The Apex striker blocker and reduced pressure blocker spring takes around 3/4 pound off. The Apex sear takes 1 pound off. So if you use them all you would get about 2 1/2 to 3 pounds less pull than stock.

I used a stock Glock trigger spring which dropped the pull another 1/2 pound. These figures are using the stock springs, except I did use the Apex striker blocker spring. I did not buy an Apex trigger kit. I bought only their striker blocker (which comes with the lower pressure spring) and the Apex sear.

Bob