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Old 11-28-2012, 01:01 PM
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I'm sure there is a thread on this already, but I searched and could not find it, so I'm starting a new one...

I have the M&P9c. Does anybody have both the M&P9c and the Shield in 9mm and can they explain the practical differences? Accuracy? Recoil? I got a smokin' deal on my M&P used, so It's not an issue for me, but looking at the difference between the two, I'm curious if the M&P9c is worth that much more than the shield?

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I have both the 9mm compact and the 9mm shield. I got the 9c first. I carry strictly for concealment. It was pretty easy to conceal the 9c with the 12 round compact mags. I also bought the X-Grip sleeve to be used on the full size 17 round mags. Then I was able to find the 9mm Shield. To me, it felt better in the hand, the recoil was more manageable because of the dual spring guide rod compared to the 9c, and it feels better concealed because it is not as thick as the 9c. Yes you do lose rounds if you decide to carry the Shield. But hopefully you'll be able to stop a threat with 8 rounds including an extra mag. But it's all about how they feel to you and how comfortable they are to you. Just because I prefer the Shield over the 9c, doesn't mean that you're going to feel the same. Try them both out to see how they feel at your LGS or if you have a range close to you that rents them then you could test fire to see how they shoot and the feel of the recoil. Just my $.02
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I got the 9C, and while I don't have a Shield, I have compared them in size. For me, the 9C is a bit too large for concealed carry, except under jackets (obviously, it's just me, as the above post indicates they're comfortable with it). I didn't see enough difference in the Shield, for concealment, so I went to a Kahr PM9 for my concealed carry gun, which works under tee-shirts or anything.
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If I could, I would rather carry a compact over my shield. Since I work in the ghettos of Philly, I want to cut printing as much as I can so the shield works for me. Else, I'd def take the compact over the shield purely for capacity reasons.
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If I could, I would rather carry a compact over my shield. Since I work in the ghettos of Philly, I want to cut printing as much as I can so the shield works for me. Else, I'd def take the compact over the shield purely for capacity reasons.
Capacity should never be an issue when statics show that intruders are stopped in 3 or less bullets 99% of the time.

I guess what im saying is........As long as you have 3 rounds, you should be good to go. So why carry more rounds (more weight) if 99% of the time u'll never need it.
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Old 11-28-2012, 04:23 PM
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I carry the shield, and shoot the 9c in Idpa competition.

The 9c is much easier to carry (it's 38 degrees outside) under a coat, but in the summer I'll be back to my shield.

I have them both because my wife said I can.
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Capacity should never be an issue when statics show that intruders are stopped in 3 or less bullets 99% of the time.

I guess what im saying is........As long as you have 3 rounds, you should be good to go. So why carry more rounds (more weight) if 99% of the time u'll never need it.
Why carry a gun at all? You will not need it 99.99% of the time...
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Why carry a gun at all? You will not need it 99.99% of the time...
How many people do u see running around carrying like this. Keep in mind, ammo capacity is what is important, right?

Yes I know its my Block.....But i'm giving an example.

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Capacity should never be an issue when statics show that intruders are stopped in 3 or less bullets 99% of the time.

I guess what im saying is........As long as you have 3 rounds, you should be good to go. So why carry more rounds (more weight) if 99% of the time u'll never need it.
capacity can always be an issue. Whats a couple more ounces to have double the capacity?

Shots Fired: Skokie, Illinois 08/25/2008 - Article - POLICE Magazine

Cop hit a perp 17 times with 45acp. Perp was not high off drugs or alcohol. Shot placement is everything and having the extra rounds can help.
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capacity can always be an issue. Whats a couple more ounces to have double the capacity?

Shots Fired: Skokie, Illinois 08/25/2008 - Article - POLICE Magazine

Cop hit a perp 17 times with 45acp. Perp was not high off drugs or alcohol. Shot placement is everything and having the extra rounds can help.
Key words.....Shot placement.

It should never take more than 3 rounds for proper shot placement. If it does, then you shouldn't be carrying at all. If its that much of a problem, feel free to carry your AK with 30rds or ur AR with 30rds. But lets me a little on the "real" side about it.
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Why carry a gun at all? You will not need it 99.99% of the time...

Why do you have car insurance? You will not need it 99.99% of the time.


To the OP,

I'm going to go with the 9c over the Shield for 2 reasons.

1. I'm a big enough guy (6'1", 190lbs) that I can conceal the 9c just fine. For me the 9c is just a tad wider and longer, but is very similar in size to the EMP I used to carry. The 9c is a tad shorter in height, but .2" longer. Not a deal breaker.

2. I've had a Shield on order since the end of May.

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Old 11-28-2012, 08:02 PM
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I have both and never carry the 9c since I got the shield. The shield's thinness allows carry options that are amazing (just a shirt!) while the 9c requires pretty much the same as my 9FS or 45c. When given the option, I'd much rather carry either of those if I'm going to be making concessions to a carry garment etc.

Summation: If I carry and a cover garment is appropriate or easy, I'll opt for the FS over the 9c. If I carry and don't want the hassle of a cover garment, the shield conceals just under a normal shirt or in my pocket and no wardrobe concessions are really necessary.

Either way, the 9c is quickly losing my favor and would be my truck gun if I had a non-work truck. I can't put it in my normal one because I work at a place where that's a very big no no and have a protective force armed with M-4s and other stuff to dissuade you.
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Capacity should never be an issue when statics show that intruders are stopped in 3 or less bullets 99% of the time.

I guess what im saying is........As long as you have 3 rounds, you should be good to go. So why carry more rounds (more weight) if 99% of the time u'll never need it.
Another one that thinks 3 rounds is enough... Some good teaching by others BTW, and I read the Skokie cop incident.

So here's a well trained officer that used what, 32 rounds in a fire fight? Do you think he should have just used three and maybe have waited for good shot placement while the perp was blasting holes in his windshield?

If a 1% chance that you may need a gun is reason enough to carry one, then a 1% chance that you will need more than 3 rounds is reason enough to carry more!
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Another one that thinks 3 rounds is enough... Some good teaching by others BTW, and I read the Skokie cop incident.

So here's a well trained officer that used what, 32 rounds in a fire fight? Do you think he should have just used three and maybe have waited for good shot placement while the perp was blasting holes in his windshield?

If a 1% chance that you may need a gun is reason enough to carry one, then a 1% chance that you will need more than 3 rounds is reason enough to carry more!
Nope 1% is not enough to claim "capacity" is important. Without shot placement, capacity isnt going to you much good. What you gonna do, shoot for hopes and dreams? People should train more on how to handle weapons and make proper judgements and adjustments when firing. If it takes you 16+ rounds to stop and intruder, you may as well throw the gun at the guy.

Or as I said......If capacity is that BIG of a concern. Just carry around your AR or your AK. Hell carry around your BAR if you feel 30rds isnt enough. But as I said earlier......Lets be real.

Capacity is and always has been a "excuse" to say mine is bigger than yours. And we all know size is nothing, if you dont know how to use it, lol.
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This afternoon my wife and I went and rented both the Shield 9 and the M&P 9c for a true side-by-side comparison.

Magazines removed, the 9c is 2.7 ounces heavier than the shield, and ALL of that weight is above the hand. For an average-sized guy it's no big deal, but it was really uncomfortable for my wife. Having a loaded magazine installed makes a big difference in the balance, moreso on the 9c because of the extra finger grip. When switching back and forth between the two, the 9c feels slightly top-heavy by comparison.

The extra mass up top isn't all bad though; the 9c feels very sturdy and fills the hand completely, where the Shield feels a little small with my long, skinny fingers. The 9c does have less felt recoil than the shield - it's manageable enough for her to shoot one-handed (and that's coming from the same person who complained about the 9c's top-heaviness). But what's shocking is how well the Shield 9 cushions the recoil and recovers! In both my and my wife's estimation, the felt recoil was significantly less on the Shield 9 than the Kel-Tec P3AT or Ruger LCP .380s, both of which we have shot many times.

We did all of our shooting at 7 yards, and accuracy-wise it was a toss-up. She shot better with the Shield, I shot better with the 9c. If we had the smaller back-strap available for the 9c it would have been more comfortable for both of us, but it wouldn't have been a game changer.

In Florida where it's shorts and t-shirts year round, the Shield has the concealability advantage - a quarter of an inch in thickness makes a huge difference in light clothing IWB or pocket carry. It also fits better into purses, where the 9c is just a bit too bulky.

What does the 9c have going for it? Aside from holding 4 more rounds, ambidextrous controls matter to a lefty like me. And if you're going to burn through ammo at the range, fitting a full-size 17-round magazine to the 9c means twice as much shooting, compared to the max of 8 rounds in the Shield. If you've got space to concealed carry a full-size mag, you can have 30 (!) rounds at your disposal with just one mag change.

At the end of the day, my wife has chosen the Shield 9. I'm still on the fence between a Shield .40 or a 40c... luckily a friend of mine recently picked up a Shield 40 so I should get to try that one out soon!

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When the Shield first came out, the distributor said he had 3 we could have. Of course this was 3 days before the official day we could sell the gun, & we didn't know if we'd sell them right away, or be stuck with them, so we took only 2 Shields. Who knew? However the 9c felt better in my hand. For years I carried a Glock 30 in my belt, & now I carry a full size HK USP 45. I'd rather have the extra ammo, especially since the 9c fits perfectly in my hand. GARY
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Nope 1% is not enough to claim "capacity" is important. Without shot placement, capacity isnt going to you much good. What you gonna do, shoot for hopes and dreams? People should train more on how to handle weapons and make proper judgements and adjustments when firing. If it takes you 16+ rounds to stop and intruder, you may as well throw the gun at the guy.

Or as I said......If capacity is that BIG of a concern. Just carry around your AR or your AK. Hell carry around your BAR if you feel 30rds isnt enough. But as I said earlier......Lets be real.

Capacity is and always has been a "excuse" to say mine is bigger than yours. And we all know size is nothing, if you dont know how to use it, lol.
Must be nice to sit behind your computer and figure youd hit 100% in a firefight. Ask any actual leo/mil if they hit 100% in a firefight. Lets not also factor in the stress, surrounding environment, rules of engagement.

I agree that capacity means nothing compared to shot placement. But they go hand in hand. The more shots you're able to take without reload, the more you'll place on target.

But lets be real. You'd hit your target 100% in a firefight.
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Key words.....Shot placement.

It should never take more than 3 rounds for proper shot placement. If it does, then you shouldn't be carrying at all.
Smitty - Please don't be such a concealed carry snob. Look, I agree with you regarding shot placement. It just seems presumptuous to say how any of us would react or shoot in a real situation (LEO's excluded of course). There is what we would like to think will happen, and then there is the reality of SHTF lets hope for the best. I'll carry my 9C with 10 + 1 rounds and a spare 10 round mag (NY) and I guess you will carry your firearm with just 3 rounds loaded (no more please) since that is all you will need.
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I'm not leaning towards any particular weapon for self defense. I'm sure any is better than none. But i personally dont see capacity as being and excuse "not" to carry a more comfortable weapon (Shield) vs the 9C. I dunno about you guys but I walk around 12 sometimes 16hrs a day with mine. I'm yet to find any of my other weapons near as comfortable as my Shield. On the other hand, I dont find my Shield to be as accurate (for distance) vs my others. In the end its going to depend on what you want today. Do I plan on working 16hrs a day and want my comfortable weapon to carry. Or do I plan on working 12hrs a day carrying a bigger (more uncomfortable) weapon with a larger mag that is capable of engaging targets a little farther distance.

IMO, comfort is the #1 priority for me. I will use the comfort a hell of a lot more than I will ever use a high capacity mag, lol. Now on the other hand, I dont mind carrying my 1911 on occasion. Of course for short amounts of time (maybe a few hours). But lets face it, whats the point when its not comfortable at all times.
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Thanks for all the input!

With my 9c I can keep my shots in about a 3-4" group at 5-7 yards with no problem. I have not tried carrying my 9c yet and have not got a holster for it yet - I'm mostly a revolver guy right now and carry my 60-9 in either my pocket or IWB. But it's only got 5 shots... So either of these options will beat the round count in the M-60. And I think both of these options are thinner. I think the weight (loaded) is about the same too...

Anyway, I got a great deal on this 9c from somebody who didn't like it (went with something in an XD and wanted to unload their 9c) so I'm just starting this learning curve.

It looks like the round count is the main advantage of the 9c - offset by the slightly larger size vs the shield.

I think I'll get a holster, carry it for awhile, then if it is too big/uncomfortable, maybe sell it and get a shield (if I can ever get my hands on one).

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I'm not leaning towards any particular weapon for self defense. I'm sure any is better than none. But i personally dont see capacity as being and excuse "not" to carry a more comfortable weapon (Shield) vs the 9C. ............ Or do I plan on working 12hrs a day carrying a bigger (more uncomfortable) weapon with a larger mag that is capable of engaging targets a little farther distance.

IMO, comfort is the #1 priority for me. I will use the comfort a hell of a lot more than I will ever use a high capacity mag, lol. Now on the other hand, I dont mind carrying my 1911 on occasion. Of course for short amounts of time (maybe a few hours). But lets face it, whats the point when its not comfortable at all times.
I wasn't going to weigh in on this part of the thread, but I just couldn't resist;

Whenever you get in a discussion about comfort, "A gun vs NO gun", capacity, caliber wars, shot placement, etc... I always have to post this:

BEHOLD! The MIGHTY Bobcat! (in .22LR) I actually have two of them and they will fit in ANY pocket. Single stack mag holds 7+1 (stingers of course).

I don't mean anything by it. I do tend to suggest to people that they start with SOMETHING and that the natural tendency is to gravitate to a larger caliber/capacity, more potent, etc firearm for CCW over time.

I think that the process is evolutionary and we're all getting there on our own time.

Years ago I was using this, yesterday the S&W 60-9 was my choice, tomorrow it'll be my nifty 9c...it's all good.
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Considering you own it, might as well see if you like the 9c as a carry gun. With the right holster and clothing choice, I'm sure you will be able to carry it just fine. That aspect of the two guns is purely a personal opinion. As for your actual original question (accuracy, recoil): accuracy is again based primarily on the person, especially since at SD distances and scenarios the bit of a difference in barrel length wont make too much of a difference. I have read that people are fond of the dual spring in the Shield as it reduces recoil well.

On the round count issue: 1911's, the "gold standard" of guns, often have a 7+1 capacity... seems like there are a good amount of people who think that is plenty given it's popularity and that there are many who will carry a 1911 and nothing else.
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Capacity should never be an issue when statics show that intruders are stopped in 3 or less bullets 99% of the time.

I guess what im saying is........As long as you have 3 rounds, you should be good to go. So why carry more rounds (more weight) if 99% of the time u'll never need it.
Unless Mr Murphy decieds to show up.
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Right now Im carrying my 9c in a Galco king tuk holster under a t-shirt. Its doin fine. And its a little bigger than the shield but I dont think its that much bigger. And Ill take the comfort of the extra rounds. Stay safe everyone.
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My cousin handled my Shield 9 when I bought it will get one when he is lucky enough to find one around here. He has the M&P9c and will not give it up anytime soon but he still wants a Shield.
As for the round debate, I mostly carry a 5 shot .357. Sometimes I go with 6-17 rounds of .40 or 15 - 20 rounds of 9mm. Either way carrying an extra mag or speed-loader is not much of an inconvenience. Practice with your choice of carry option is essential.
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Carrying a M4 or an AK, Is a little crazy. Yes you have a higher round count by concealing might prove to be a challenge.
The 9c is only slightly larger than the Shield 9 (same for the 40c/Shield 40 I have all four guns). For a while I was bouncing between the Shield 40 and the 40c, I finally setteled on the 40c for its round count and size. UNTIL i recently bought the 9c which now is my EDC. THis offers me the Power, Magazine capacity and size that fits my needs. I feel the 9c/40c conceals/wears just as well as the Shield 9/40. Currently I use a TT Gunleather Hi Ride Pancake holster and a Single mag carrier. This is a great holster that conceals very very well and is extremely comfortable
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No need to conceal when u live in an open carry State. It pretty much says you can carry anything you want, as long as its visible and of course as long as you can legally possess a firearm. So yeah you can carry your AK, AR, BAR or anything else you please.

Of course that is "if" ammo capacity is your concern, lol
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Capacity should never be an issue when statics show that intruders are stopped in 3 or less bullets 99% of the time.

I guess what im saying is........As long as you have 3 rounds, you should be good to go. So why carry more rounds (more weight) if 99% of the time u'll never need it.
For the one time you do need it. Better to have it and not need it, than the other way around.
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For the one time you do need it. Better to have it and not need it, than the other way around.
More the reason to carry your AK or your AR, huh?
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More the reason to carry your AK or your AR, huh?
Huh?? No actually it's not. I would think it would be awkard (Open carry or not) to walk around walmat,the mall or mcdonalds with a M4 ot Ak strapped across your body. And as a Police Officer responding to a person carrying this type weapon (open carry or Not) I would probably challenge him/her until I can identify their status.
Additionally I would imagine that having the strapped M4 or AK would make it some what cumbersome going into bathrooms etc etc (securing the weapon) SO please lets be realistic here Generally when people (IN the know) speak about magazine capacity generally they are talking about Hi cap PISTOL Magazines (12 to 15 rounds).
Usually its the Mall comandos that wanna carry M4 AK type weapons in public
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3 rounds? I don't think gunfights are static events. People, unlike paper targets, MOVE!
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Ok so lets try this one more time. If capacity is the "big" issue. How come you dont see many carry guys walking around carrying one of these. Keep in mind, this is 33+1 (34 total). Surely this has more capacity than your average pocket pistol.

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I have both the 9c and the Shield. I also have a Bodyguard .380. What I carry depends on the situation. Today, in church I had the 9c on my left ankle and a 17 rd mag in an ankle vault on my right leg. Knowing I would likely be the only person so prepared, I had 30 rounds of ammo available.

As I sit here at home, the Shield is my my blue jeans pocket. Tomorrow when dressed for work, the Bodyguard will be in a leather pocket holster and discretely carried.

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Ok so lets try this one more time. If capacity is the "big" issue. How come you dont see many carry guys walking around carrying one of these. Keep in mind, this is 33+1 (34 total). Surely this has more capacity than your average pocket pistol.

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You have used the crazy crazy picture several times before. Unless this is a spare magazine it would be ridiculuos to conceal. considering it takes about 1.2 to 1.8 seconds to reload my G26 or M&P 9. I see no advantage to this magazine
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You have used the crazy crazy picture several times before. Unless this is a spare magazine it would be ridiculuos to conceal. considering it takes about 1.2 to 1.8 seconds to reload my G26 or M&P 9. I see no advantage to this magazine
The advantage is the "capacity", which is what people seem to be an up-roar about. The claim the advantage of the 9c over the Shield is the "capacity". My claim is the Shield is more comfortable, and I will 99.9% of the time use the comfort-ability over capacity.......So why should we use capacity as an excuse. If its an excuse, then I see nothing wrong with carrying a Glock and a 33rd mag.

I'd prefer my 1911 (if capacity was an issue). But honestly, what is a few more bullets, lol

Speaking of 1911, I believe I will own another one in 2013. This should be all one should ever need to carry.


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Comfort?? there is so LITTLE size differemce between the shield and th3 9c,that shouldnt be an issue. The slight difference is in the weight IMO I also believe the few more rounds is a HUGH difference.
I also own several 1911's Kimber Pro Carry II Para LTC and a Old remington Rand, if they could make a 1911 thats 100% raliable then i would also but another one
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I have both, the Shield and Compact c in 9mm. The compact I use the x-grip extended mag for the extra mag and the compact has the Crimson Trace Laser. I carry both handguns concealed even at work and use the "Smart Carry" appendix holster. Neither weapons prints with the Smart Carry. I carry the Compact late in the day at at night when off duty because of the Laser for low light situations. The compact has more heft to it and the recoil is less. I also carry the 380 Body Guard as a back up weapon. With the Body Guard I use Buffalo Bore flat nose +P which gives it about the same punch as a 38 Special. Both M& P's I use Federal LE 147 gr HST Hollow Points. Less recoil, low flash and subsonic. That is what we use in our duty weapons in the 9 mm .
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Yeah the Shield has more comfort of the 9c any day of the year. The size as well as the weight (fully loaded) makes a big difference. Keep in mind I carry on average 12-16hrs a day. If i were carrying a few hours, i'd pack my 1911.

Me personally I see no advantage of the 9c over the Shield. Unless of course u want to argue "capacity". But if capacity was to be my concern, i'd carry the Glock with the 33rd mag. Once again, comfort is the concern IMO. I will use the comfort 1 million more times than I will ever use the capacity.

And in most case, so will everyone else.
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Ok, we agree to disagree, I perfer capacity over comfort. I get both with the 9c.
I cant speak for everyone else, I assume just as many people who choose comfort will choose capacity.
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I'm pretty sure there is a reason the Shield is pretty much the most sought after sub compact EDC weapons on the market today. And i'm sure we could agree that it isnt because of the mag capacity. I'm also sure when s&w designed this around CC, that they themselves also though "capacity" wasnt a big issue. I mean if it were to them, dont u think they would have designed something with a much higher cap mag.

I think s&w knew exactly what the majority of EDC and CC owners wanted. And i believe they hit the nail on the head, despite a few hickups from few of the .40 owners.
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The only answer is what works for YOU. What I like and find to be the best may not be at all for you. I have owned a number of M&Ps, in FS and compact, in .45, .40, and 9mm, and for CCW the Shield 9mm is hands down my favorite. It is slim, has just the right grip for me (with the 8 round magazine), and I don't feel under-gunned with 8 rounds of 9mm. I have spare magazines if I feel like carrying them.

I still prefer a full size gun for home defense, but there isn't really a reason that the Shield couldn't suffice in that role as well. We could argue all day about capacity, caliber, and action (revolver vs semi, or DA/SA vs DAO vs SA, and so on) but there just isn't going to be one answer that works for everyone...because we are all different. There isn't one gun that is ideal for all circumstances, either, because there are too many variables.

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I was a 1911 only guy for many years and now that I am retired from LE. I carry an M&P 340 every day at my new job and often carry a Shield 9mm when not carrying my M&P 340. My needs are different now than when I was on the street as an officer for 37 years. I often think that I should be carrying something with more capacity but go with comfort vs. capacity and weight. I love my 9mm Shield and feel that it has plenty of capacity for what I am likely to get into as a citizen. I do carry a spare mag with me or spare ammo with my M&P 340 as well.

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The only answer is what works for YOU. What I like and find to be the best may not be at all for you. I have owned a number of M&Ps, in FS and compact, in .45, .40, and 9mm, and for CCW the Shield 9mm is hands down my favorite. It is slim, has just the right grip for me (with the 8 round magazine), and I don't feel under-gunned with 8 rounds of 9mm. I have spare magazines if I feel like carrying them.

I still prefer a full size gun for home defense, but there isn't really a reason that the Shield couldn't suffice in that role as well. We could argue all day about capacity, caliber, and action (revolver vs semi, or DA/SA vs DAO vs SA, and so on) but there just isn't going to be one answer that works for everyone...because we are all different. There isn't one gun that is ideal for all circumstances, either, because there are too many variables.

I haven't needed to use a gun for 61 years, and I hope and pray that holds true for the next 61 as well. This is one time that I will be more than happy for all the time, thought, expense, and planning to never be used.
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I'm pretty sure there is a reason the Shield is pretty much the most sought after sub compact EDC weapons on the market today. And i'm sure we could agree that it isnt because of the mag capacity. I'm also sure when s&w designed this around CC, that they themselves also though "capacity" wasnt a big issue. I mean if it were to them, dont u think they would have designed something with a much higher cap mag.

I think s&w knew exactly what the majority of EDC and CC owners wanted. And i believe they hit the nail on the head, despite a few hickups from few of the .40 owners.
They did, Its called the M&P 9c or 40c..
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There will always be a give and take when talking concealment.

If we want less weight we go with a 380. If we want more capacity we give up thinness.

The Shield 9mm with a 7+1 capacity (flush magazine) is actually one of the higher capacity single stack 9mm available. Kahr CM9 and Beretta both have a capacity of 6+1 with the flush magazine.

If you pocket pack like I do in slacks and you are concerned about printing and being able to actually draw the weapon from your pocket without catching 8 rounds in a 9mm caliber for me is the max.

I have no idea if 8 rounds is enough, however from my research via youtube statistically speaking based on FBI data 8 rounds for a gun fight (close range) is enough rounds to end most situations.

What most of us fail to realize is more rounds means more time exposing ourselves to the potential of getting shot by the bad guy.

Just because a person may have a higher capacity magazine does not neccessary mean they are bettter off in a close range gun fight. Remember, statistically speaking most gun fights end in less than 3 seconds which means extra magazines and large capacity magazines will not trump shot placement when it will be all over in less than 3 seconds for the overwhelming majority of gun fights and for those lasting longer than 3 seconds I would suggest ducking for cover.

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What exactly are you amen'ing? He reiterated exactly what we've been trying to explain to you. But you continue to use your Glock 33rd mag reply, which is btw, completely asinine. Our original argument is that if you can comfortable and clearly carry a 9c over the shield, then why not have that extra capacity FOR FREE. I, for one, cannot afford to print at all so I carry the shield. I would love to run around with the 9c in the ghettos of Philadelphia, but ive had very bad experiences with printing through my shirts.
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To real it back in and truly address your question. I've handled a shield but do not own one. I carry my 9c in a comp tax mtac. The right adjuster holster makes the world of a difference. I do have a kahr cw9 that I carry as well and that is roughly the same size as the shield. The shorter grip on the 9c actually makes it easier to conceal for me even with just a t shirt. It's only a marginal difference but it shows. I carry at 3:30. I personally prefer the 9c. With the right belt weight is a lot less noticeable. Start carrying the 9c and see for yourself
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What exactly are you amen'ing? He reiterated exactly what we've been trying to explain to you. But you continue to use your Glock 33rd mag reply, which is btw, completely asinine. Our original argument is that if you can comfortable and clearly carry a 9c over the shield, then why not have that extra capacity FOR FREE. I, for one, cannot afford to print at all so I carry the shield. I would love to run around with the 9c in the ghettos of Philadelphia, but ive had very bad experiences with printing through my shirts.
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