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Old 01-28-2013, 10:56 PM
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I realize there are a couple of other threads on this issue, but I'm not interested in debating whether it's necessary or not. I'm most interested in "IF" there are individuals out there that have a Shield 9mm that when they do a press check, it goes back into battery automatically. Did it do this out of the box, or did you have to send it in ?

For starters... mine does NOT go back into battery after a press check.
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Although I do not perform Press Checks on my guns to verify a round is in the chamber, I do test them to see IF they are vulnerable to not returning to battery on their own if the slide is accidentally pressed back some.

To answer your question: My Shield does not return to battery on its own.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:14 PM
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I dont do press checks but I just tried it on my Shield 40 and it always goes back to battery. It did not matter if I just slightly pulled it back or not. I tried stopping a several different spots and it always went back. I do notice that my spring is really tight and the slide pulls with alot of tension. I tried my Glock and xd with the same results
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I don't press check either, I know there is one in the pipe. No, mine will not return to battery if I pull the slide back just a little with a round in the chamber, magazine in or out. I have never had it inadvertently do this while holstering or anything else. Not a issue for me.
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Not an issue for me. My Shield is always ready to go.
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I did not immediately load up my Shield and start carrying it when I got it, so I never needed to do a press check. It was tight when it was new, and I do suspect that it would not have fallen back into battery. Now, with 250 rounds through it, I do a press check on it every morning, and no problems at all. I know, I could just look in the hole, but it's habit.
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I don't press check either, I know there is one in the pipe. No, mine will not return to battery if I pull the slide back just a little with a round in the chamber, magazine in or out. I have never had it inadvertently do this while holstering or anything else. Not a issue for me.
Same here... Not an issue as I don't do press checks and mine has never inadvertently moved out of battery...
But to answer the question... No, mine does not return to battery if I do a press check. Mine actually takes quite a bit of force to move it out of battery though, so I'm not worried about it getting bumped out of battery.
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Just a little clarification here: you can't really do a "press check" on an M&P.

Because the gun has a Full Length Guide Rod(FLGR), the slide cannot easily be pressed back by pushing on the front of the slide. What we're really talking about here is a chamber check. To do this, the slide is grabbed from underneath with the fingers and thumb and slid back about 1/4" to 1/2". Just enough to see brass or not. The press check is done for the same reason, but is done by putting a finger on the guide rod cap and pressing the slide back. This can be hazardous because it puts your finger very close to the muzzle.

I always do a chamber check before I holster and before I unload. Yes, there is a chamber indicator, but, like others, I'm used to doing the chamber check. If done properly the slide will not stay back. The right way to do it includes closing the slide forcefully and thus eliminating the chance of not going fully into battery.
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Please forvive me, I don't mean to change the subject. I don't have a shield, nor have I ever handled one, but don't they have a loaded chamber indicator?
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Like others, I don't do press checks since there is a loaded chamber indicator (peep hole). I just now tried it by pulling the slide back less than 1/4" to see if the slide would go back into battery on it's own and it did not. I do not consider this a problem as the gun never goes out of battery in any other way.
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Just a little clarification here: you can't really do a "press check" on an M&P.

Because the gun has a Full Length Guide Rod(FLGR), the slide cannot easily be pressed back by pushing on the front of the slide. What we're really talking about here is a chamber check. To do this, the slide is grabbed from underneath with the fingers and thumb and slid back about 1/4" to 1/2". Just enough to see brass or not. The press check is done for the same reason, but is done by putting a finger on the guide rod cap and pressing the slide back. This can be hazardous because it puts your finger very close to the muzzle.

I always do a chamber check before I holster and before I unload. Yes, there is a chamber indicator, but, like others, I'm used to doing the chamber check. If done properly the slide will not stay back. The right way to do it includes closing the slide forcefully and thus eliminating the chance of not going fully into battery.
Correct. A "chamber check" is actually what I am doing.
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Why do people worry about things that make no difference on the way the weapon performs.

My Shield .40 is always chambered, no matter when i pick it up. There is no need to "half slide" it, since u can easily see its loaded from the "top". If u are ever in a self defense situation and u have to "half slide" your weapon or even slide your weapon. You may as well go ahead and use that bullet on yourself.

I bought my Shields for what they were designed for "conceal carry weapon". So in this case, as i said earlier. Mine is ALWAYS loaded.
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It isn't inconceivable that you would pull your weapon to defend yourself and the bad guy would grab at it, push it away, or in some way struggle with you.

If the slide is pushed back a bit during this struggle your gun will not fire. Precious time will be lost while you get it to fire.

I have a problem saying, "Yeah if I bump my gun it won't work, but I NEVER bump my gun, and could NEVER bump my gun, so I completely trust my life to this gun as long as I don't bump it".

None of my carry guns hang out of battery. Heck even my M&P22 doesn't hang out of battery.

I can't tell you my Shield doesn't hang out of battery. At least not yet. But it will get fixed or it will go down the road. I don't need to trust my life to a gun that may or may not work. I have plenty that do work.
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Correct. A "chamber check" is actually what I am doing.
I must apologize for my post. Sometimes I type without engaging my brain. I didn't mean to come off with a condescending attitude, but it seems that I did. I'm sorry for that. I tend to be a stickler for terms and go overboard. Just like "clip" we all knew what you meant.


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If u are ever in a self defense situation and u have to "half slide" your weapon or even slide your weapon. You may as well go ahead and use that bullet on yourself.
You are right about this. Then again, if you're doing the chamber check properly, you won't need to do it during a fight. However, I have personally seen several shooters insert a mag, rack the slide and start to shoot only to get a click instead of a bang. For whatever reason a round was not chambered. A chamber check would have prevented those clicks.



Here's an interesting thought and I wonder if anyone else has done this. I noticed this problem when I first got my M&P 45. But, what exactly does it mean to be in battery?

My 45 slide moves back about 3/16" before the barrel starts to drop away from the slide. So, I did a test. The distance where my slide "stuck" was not enough to keep the gun from firing. Obviously this can only be tested with an empty chamber or at the range, but test it I did and found my gun will still shoot as long as the barrel/chamber is fully engaged with the slide.

My explanation may not be good enough without pictures. I may make some later today.
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You are right about this. Then again, if you're doing the chamber check properly, you won't need to do it during a fight. However, I have personally seen several shooters insert a mag, rack the slide and start to shoot only to get a click instead of a bang. For whatever reason a round was not chambered. A chamber check would have prevented those clicks.
This is why i express, i know for a fact my Shield has a round in the chamber at any given moment. It is my EDC, so there is no use in me wondering if its loaded or not, lol.

If i pull the trigger on mine, there is a 99.9% chance its going BANG. I hope i never have to use it in a self defense situation. But if that situation may ever arise, once again I can promise it will go bang. I dont have to look at the peep hole or check the slide. If it doesnt go bang, thats only because Hornady made a stupid self defense round, lol
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Here's an interesting thought and I wonder if anyone else has done this. I noticed this problem when I first got my M&P 45. But, what exactly does it mean to be in battery?

My 45 slide moves back about 3/16" before the barrel starts to drop away from the slide. So, I did a test. The distance where my slide "stuck" was not enough to keep the gun from firing. Obviously this can only be tested with an empty chamber or at the range, but test it I did and found my gun will still shoot as long as the barrel/chamber is fully engaged with the slide.
No, my Shield doesn't go bang. When it is out of battery just a fraction of an inch, it doesn't go bang. And that's the problem, a slight bump will knock it out of battery and the gun won't fire.

With a dozen other concealable pistols in my safe just waiting for a ride on my hip I am not going to take the one that may decide not to fire when I really need it.

My 3913 is by my side. Bump it and it goes right back to the ready to fire position like any dependable gun should.
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No, my Shield doesn't go bang. When it is out of battery just a fraction of an inch, it doesn't go bang. And that's the problem, a slight bump will knock it out of battery and the gun won't fire.

With a dozen other concealable pistols in my safe just waiting for a ride on my hip I am not going to take the one that may decide not to fire when I really need it.

My 3913 is by my side. Bump it and it goes right back to the ready to fire position like any dependable gun should.
How do u bump it out of battery? Are u dropping it from a 2 story building? I'm gonna have to test this bumping theory.

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I don't have a Shield so, I'm taking Lost Lake at his word.

Smitty357,
There are any number of ways to bump it out of battery. A 1911 only needs to be moved 1/32" to prevent it from firing. Apparently the Shield is the same.

Suppose you're close to your opponent. If you place the gun right up against him you run the risk of being out of battery. You could snag the gun on a piece of clothing as you present. You could bump it on a support(like a door frame) if you're using one. There are many ways to bump the slide.
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So are u guys saying u accidentally bump it and the mag drop.....Or do u somehow accidentally pull the slide back a bit and u say its out of battery.
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The OP covers it pretty well. Read that and you'll see what we're talking about. The accidental bump is just a side note.
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Yeah i see what he's talking about. Anyways, video is on its way. I'll post it up for you guys in a few.
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Mine is 50/50 on whether it goes back into battery.
This is a big issue for some to carry a revolver because as said, pressed against something or someone, it won't fire.
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I posted the video for you guys. I've been trying to replicate the problem you guys have had. But still no luck replicating it for you.

New video addressing Shield battery.
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I'll second what Smitty shows in his video. While there is a def difference with a round chambered, it never failed to return to full battery for me

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I have a Shield 9mm, and it has always gone back into battery for me.
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Same here zero problems since I got it last April.
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Thanks for the video Smitty357. Yours does not stay out of battery, mine does. I have dozens of other semi-autos that go back into battery also, my Shield is the only gun I own that does this.

There are many guys on this forum that have the same issue, and there are many videos of what is happening. I'm trying to figure out how to make mine go back into battery if it is bumped out. If it is a bit of polishing or wear I'm all for it.

The roll pins come out of the M&P22 also. Not on every M&P22, but mine sure did. I didn't care, I just tapped it back in.

The front dot falls of sights. None of mine ever did.

The laser screw backs out of BG380's. Mine never has.

I must admit I was a little offended by your video trying to belittle those of us who have the problem. We are looking for help and an answer, not sarcasm.

Here is a video MontanaBigHorn posted to demonstrate what we are experiencing:

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Thanks for the video Smitty357. Yours does not stay out of battery, mine does. I have dozens of other semi-autos that go back into battery also, my Shield is the only gun I own that does this.

There are many guys on this forum that have the same issue, and there are many videos of what is happening. I'm trying to figure out how to make mine go back into battery if it is bumped out. If it is a bit of polishing or wear I'm all for it.

The roll pins come out of the M&P22 also. Not on every M&P22, but mine sure did. I didn't care, I just tapped it back in.

The front dot falls of sights. None of mine ever did.

The laser screw backs out of BG380's. Mine never has.

I must admit I was a little offended by your video trying to belittle those of us who have the problem. We are looking for help and an answer, not sarcasm.

Here is a video MontanaBigHorn posted to demonstrate what we are experiencing:

M&P Shield 9mm Problem - YouTube
I wouldnt polish it, as ive already heard one person complain his is staying out of battery and his is polished. So IMO, i dont believe the polishing would fix it.

The video wasnt intended to pun anyone. I was merly showing that there are Shields that exist that dont have any issues at all. Every time we see the Shield problems, its almost as if people are trying to tell us that Shield is a bad weapon because it does "this". But the problem is not every Shield. Its something else that is causing the problem. Manufacture dates, poor maintenance or something......Just like the Shield 40 mag drop issue. Not all Shield 40s had the issue. Many of us have never had the problem and also many of people have had the problem.....Once again, we are thinking its a manufacture time frame of when the weapons were made.
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Thanks to Lost Lake and Smitty357 for posting these videos. I think it clearly illustrates what is going on. The real curiosity is what is causing it.
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I don't yet have enough experience with M&Ps to say what the problem is with failure to RTB.

I do know, however, that with 1911s there can be a number of problems that can cause a failure to (easily/smoothly/automatically) RTB. Causes include dirt or grit somewhere in the system, particularly on the locking lugs or in the chamber. Or a weak recoil spring. Or poor/dried out lubrication. Either way the "fix" is to smack the rear of the slide sharply. Try a good scrubbing and cleaning and thoroughly lube the system and see if the problem persists. With 1911s at least, that usually solves the problem.
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Some will give me a hard time for saying this, but it has to be said. There is a major safety violation in MontanaBigHorn's video. Every time he presses the slide back, he is muzzling his left hand. Worse is the position of his trigger finger on his right hand. I can't see it very well and I believe it's not on the trigger, but it sure is close to the trigger.

There is definitely a case in the chamber and it is probably a live round. This is a combination for disaster. He probably wouldn't kill himself if he shot his hand, but I've been told it hurts. So, please don't do this.

To move the slide back to do a chamber check, do it this way:
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Sorry if this sounds like I'm being overly picky, that is not my intent. I just want people to keep their fingers on their hands. You have to violate two of the four basic rules of safety to hurt someone. The earlier video violates at least two.

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Press Check and out of battery result, another reason to carry a REVOLVER.

Yes I do have a Shield also, and have had it since a week after their introduction.
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The S&W M&P Shield is not the only compact semi-auto pistol that can stick out of battery after a press check. Try it on some of your others with a full mag.
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Yes, it goes back into battery every time.
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Mine goes into battery with the mag out, but with a partially loaded mag in place, it hangs after a check. Has anyone sent their Shield to S&W to address this issue? What was the result?
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OK, now that I'm home and can look at my gun, I've checked this issue. My M&P 45 had this issue when it was new. Now I have 980 rounds through it and it doesn't hang up any more.

So, I suspect yours will wear in over time. Just keep working the slide. Keep it lubed properly. I have Frog Lube on mine.
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The S&W M&P Shield is not the only compact semi-auto pistol that can stick out of battery after a press check. Try it on some of your others with a full mag.
I've tried all my carry guns and none of them do it.

My Remington .243 rifle will do it, but it has a rotating locking lug. Also, the lug is encased and wouldn't get bumped out of battery.

I'm calling S&W CS and asking... I won't get blown off by the first person I talk to, I'll keep calling.

I'd really like to polish the slide bump and maybe the trigger bar tab to see what that does.....
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I have a gen 4 Glock 17 that did the same thing when it was new. It would barely hang out of battery if I very carefully eased the slide forward. Now, with about a hundred and fifty rounds through the pipe, there is still a noticeable tight spot just out of battery, but the slide does not stop there.

I also have a gen 3 Glock 36 I bought used. Same tight spot just out of battery. I've noticed the same tight spot on every other Glock I've handled. That's about the same thing I'm seeing with the Shield.

Polishing and radiusing the sliding surfaces will probably eliminate the sticking, (as will putting a couple hundred rounds through it) but the slight tight spot will likely be there forever.

It is apparently normal. Maybe S&W has some way to address the problem. If they do, great. I may inquire about it myself if I find out that they do, but in the meantime, it's not a safety or reliability issue so I'm not going to worry about it.
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