M&P22 Safety Plug v2

jobiin · #1 03-01-2013, 08:07 PM

M&P22 Safety Plugs

I'd like to introduce the upgraded version of the M&P22 safety plugs I created late last year. If you are unfamiliar with the safety plugs for the M&P22, view the previous thread here.

These new plugs are printed with a 3D printer using high quality black ABS plastic that matches the color of the frame very well. I wanted to create a kit that people could easily order and install in their M&P22 to remove the safety while still making the gun safe and functional.

I went through a few designs about about 10,000 rounds of .22lr and have finally put together a kit that works.

The kit I am selling comes with 2 pairs of black ABS plugs and a machined strengthened steel dowel and printed instructions for an easy install.

You can download a PDF version of the instructions with images by going here: http://www.ryanjay.com/mp22.pdf

I am selling the kits for only $20 with free shipping. If you'd like to find out more info on the M&P22 safety plugs you can visit a website I set up at [ MADE BY RYAN JAY ]. There you can also buy the plugs. I will only be selling them through my website so I have the ability to track orders.

I'd love to hear your input on the upgraded, version 2 of the safety plugs. I would also love to answer any questions you have.

Please visit my website at [ MADE BY RYAN JAY ] or email me at [email protected] if you have any questions that need to be answered personally.

Bikemobile · #2 03-01-2013, 08:24 PM

Is the bar and plug required to function with the safety levers removed? Or is this a cosmetic fix?

jobiin · #3 03-01-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bikemobile

Is the bar and plug required to function with the safety levers removed? Or is this a cosmetic fix?

The plug's aren't required, but they help to keep dirty and gunk out. When I had the safety removed without the plugs I noticed a good amount of **** building up after about 1000 rounds. Moving around from the safe to the bag through the range.

The dowel is required. Without it your hammer doesn't function properly.

kendak · #4 03-01-2013, 09:00 PM

if someone is accidently shot with your "dowel" operating the trigger who will be held accountable ? [ hammer doesn't function properly ]...the plugs are one thing but messing with the trigger is another ballgame ...just a thought

jobiin · #5 03-01-2013, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kendak

if someone is accidently shot with your "dowel" operating the trigger who will be held accountable ? [ hammer doesn't function properly ]...the plugs are one thing but messing with the trigger is another ballgame ...just a thought

The only difference between the M&P22 with the replacement dowel and a full size M&P with no safety is the caliber. The replacement dowel is just shorter than the original one currently in the gun. All you're doing is replacing it with a shorter one to accommodate the plugs on each side.

If someone shoots themselves, the responsibility is on them. It's no different than a firearm without a built in safety.

wrightc88 · #6 03-01-2013, 09:24 PM

Just ordered a set, can't wait to get them installed.

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jobiin · #7 03-01-2013, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wrightc88

Just ordered a set, can't wait to get them installed.

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Thanks for the order! Sending a bunch out tomorrow!

IntenseImage · #8 03-02-2013, 09:45 AM

Guess I need to order these to replace my v1 plugs!

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cbasen · #9 03-02-2013, 11:30 AM

Approximately how long would it take to install and/ or switch back to stock if possible ( for teaching my younger shooters gun safety )

jobiin · #10 03-02-2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cbasen

Approximately how long would it take to install and/ or switch back to stock if possible ( for teaching my younger shooters gun safety )

To disassemble and reassemble the firearm for install, I would say it probably takes 30-45 minutes. Maybe less. I've done it dozens of times already for testing different products and it just gets easier and easier.

I am creating a PDF file now with photos for download so people can see how install works before buying.

Also, the main reason I decided to remove the safety from my M&P22 was because I wanted it as close to the full size 9mm without a safety as possible. I wanted to train holstering and drawing the firearm and learn control. Having the safety on it was just one thing that kept getting in the way from learning the full size.

jobiin · #11 03-02-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jackrabbit000

Any chance of shipping this to Canada?

Yep, I will ship them to Canada. Go to the website listed in the first post and you can place your order there.

avigar · #12 03-02-2013, 03:27 PM

Just ordered your kit. When will the pdf instructions become available online? Thanks!

jobiin · #13 03-02-2013, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by avigar

Just ordered your kit. When will the pdf instructions become available online? Thanks!

Got your order! I hope to have the PDF online tonight or tomorrow. The kit comes with instructions, but it doesn't have photos.

one4freedom · #14 03-02-2013, 04:54 PM

I ordered mine yesterday for my pistol I got a few days ago. Don't worry about installing them, these guns are not complicated. I stripped mine down and removed the mag disconnect and safety the night I got it with help of a YouTube video.

As a side note, Ryan has been great to work with, responded to my emails immediately. I am stoked to install these plugs.

One comment as to the state of the firearm with the safety removed: it is not the same as the 22's older brothers in 9mm and 40S&W. The others have a striker that is pulled back with the trigger pull while the 22 is a cocked hammer with a single-action trigger. If you remove the safety be aware that you risk a ND if the firearm is dropped. I would recommend not leaving it chambered without the safety.

IamCaleb · #15 03-02-2013, 05:35 PM

Just ordered a set, can't wait!

Locked n Loaded · #16 03-02-2013, 06:00 PM

Im going to wait for the PDF with pics

Very Cool

Tinn-Can · #17 03-02-2013, 06:20 PM

The 22 has a firing pin block as well. It is not going to go off if you drop it. The safety just blocks the trigger bar from actuating. It doesn't stop the sear from actuating.... The full size safety works in the same way...

Locked n Loaded · #18 03-02-2013, 06:37 PM

I just went and watched the video of the original post , Im In

trying to order a set if paypal will cooperate

jobiin · #19 03-02-2013, 06:58 PM

I've updated the original post with downloadable PDF instructions with images.

You can download a PDF version of the instructions with images by going here: http://www.ryanjay.com/mp22.pdf

Tinn-Can · #20 03-02-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bobermo

Sorry I don't have my pistol with me. So if I understand correctly, there are two safety mechanisms.

1. Hammer block safety in the slide that blocks the hammer from hitting the firing pin unless the trigger bar moves it out of the way upon pulling the trigger. This would protect from a discharge if the gun is dropped.

2. Thumb safety which simply deactivates the trigger bar from contacting the sear. So if the trigger is pulled, it does not release the hammer.

Is this correct? So in sense, the hammer block safety is similar to the striker block in the 9 and 40 pistols. My 9 does not have a thumb safety so I'm considering removing the safety on the 22.

Yep, both of mine had the thumb safety and both are now gone. S&W sent me plugs for the full size but they don't have any for the 22.

kendak · #21 03-02-2013, 09:22 PM

guys when you shoot your kid or wife with this homebuilt "kit" that has not been track or time tested you might want to THINK before you install

jobiin · #22 03-02-2013, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kendak

guys when you shoot your kid or wife with this homebuilt "kit" that has not been track or time tested you might want to THINK before you install

I am confident in the kit I am selling. I've put well over 200 hours into testing this to be sure it is safe. I've put over 10,000 rounds through the gun with this modification with no problems. I've dropped the gun with snap caps, thrown the gun with snap caps and even cracked the frame while testing to be sure the gun wouldn't go off. I even broke my trigger trying to fire the gun with this mod in.

S&W wasn't happy, but this kit doesn't make the gun anymore unsafe than keeping the safety off.

one4freedom · #23 03-02-2013, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinn-Can

The 22 has a firing pin block as well. It is not going to go off if you drop it. The safety just blocks the trigger bar from actuating. It doesn't stop the sear from actuating.... The full size safety works in the same way...

Good call. I totally didn't check for that. That makes much more sense.

one4freedom · #24 03-02-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kendak

guys when you shoot your kid or wife with this homebuilt "kit" that has not been track or time tested you might want to THINK before you install

What about the kit increases the likelihood of shooting my wife or child? If the basic rules of gun safety are followed, there is no added risk.

kendak · #25 03-02-2013, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by one4freedom

Good call. I totally didn't check for that. That makes much more sense.

I've been a smith for over 40yrs. & have & shoot all models in the M&P series ...the .22 is Walther made & does NOT have a striker block like S&W made weapons...all my M&P's have safety plugs but the .22 ...I left the factory safety on because it doesn't have a striker block ...take your own apart & look !

one4freedom · #26 03-02-2013, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kendak

I've been a smith for over 40yrs. & have & shoot all models in the M&P series ...the .22 is Walther made & does NOT have a striker block like S&W made weapons...all my M&P's have safety plugs but the .22 ...I left the factory safety on because it doesn't have a striker block ...take your own apart & look !

What is that thing next to the firing pin that moves out of the way when the trigger is pulled?

kendak · #27 03-02-2013, 11:12 PM

mag disconnect...you need to look at the Walther prints if you can sleep at night go for it I'm out....have a nice day..

one4freedom · #28 03-02-2013, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kendak

mag disconnect...you need to look at the Walther prints if you can sleep at night go for it I'm out....have a nice day..

No problem. I have time to try to figure out how that is a mag disconnect that isn't actuated by the magazine being inserted and that does indeed appear to block the hammer from striking the firing pin and also moves out of the way when the trigger is pulled. Can you at least tell me which model in Walther's lineup holds the clue?

Tinn-Can · #29 03-03-2013, 03:17 AM

Haha yeah no... That is the most retarded thing I have heard in a while... This is the magazine safety... It is actuated by the magazine... I feel sorry for your customers...

avigar · #30 03-03-2013, 06:26 AM

Question: Can the safety mechanism be left in place (set to live position) and only the levers removed, then plugged? I recall seeing a YouTube video where the guy only removes just the levers, then re-assembles the pistol, which left the holes. I don't remember if other internal adjustments were made, but the safety mechanism was still intact. Will this option work with installing the plugs only? Just wondering.

jobiin · #31 03-03-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinn-Can

Haha yeah no... That is the most retarded thing I have heard in a while... This is the magazine safety... It is actuated by the magazine... I feel sorry for your customers...

Wait, magazine safety? This isn't a product for the magazine safety...

one4freedom · #32 03-03-2013, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinn-Can

Haha yeah no... That is the most retarded thing I have heard in a while... This is the magazine safety... It is actuated by the magazine... I feel sorry for your customers...

Yeah, I seldom get accused of being the brightest crayon in the box. Can you please explain how it works with the magazine, preferably using words no greater than two syllables so I can keep up?

Tinn-Can · #33 03-03-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jobiin

Wait, magazine safety? This isn't a product for the magazine safety...

It probably doesn't help that I'm not quoting properly... I'm just trying to make the point that without the thumb safety you still have the hammer block safety and trigger toggle safety just like you would on the full size. Also that the magazine safety is not located in the slide despite the tellings of a supposed 40 year tenured gunsmith as I removed the magazine safety from mine as demonstrated in the photo... In my completely amateur and not legally binding experience, the weapon is still just as safe as the full size models, and this is a great product.

one4freedom · #34 03-03-2013, 12:38 PM

Sorry tinn-can, it looks like you were referring to Kendak.

Tinn-Can · #35 03-03-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by one4freedom

Sorry tinn-can, it looks like you were referring to Kendal.

Yes, sorry. I wasn't sure if the passive aggressive sarcasm approach (hilarious by the way) would sink in for some people.

kendak · #36 03-03-2013, 01:35 PM

I only had the safety of the people that read this forum in mind when I went into this ..I have seen in my 40+ yrs. of smithing & 55yrs. of shooting many accidental discharges when a safety/trigger are "fixed" by bubba ...lets please don't turn this forum into something like the AR[idiot].com forum ...it's your gun do what you want just be careful ...military training tought me that thinking outside the box sometimes don't work out so good ...as I stated I have removed all the external safetys on my set of M&Ps that are of the striker/block system ....the 22 I left alone because of hammer/sear setup vs. stricker/block system ...my Kimber carry gun when I was on duty was always carried C1 [cocked & locked] ...be safe & remember that when the bullet leaves the barrel you can't recall it...take care

jobiin · #37 03-03-2013, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bobermo

Man, I'm really confused now between kendak and tinn-can's comments.

I don't have my S&W with me for evaluation so I'm going off this thread.

Can anyone show us the hammer block safety AND the magazine disconnect safety using pics?

And explain how they function?

It'd be cool if we could take this discussion to it's own separate thread. I kind of want to keep this thread to the safety plugs with questions and answers.

avigar · #38 03-03-2013, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by avigar

Question: Can the safety mechanism be left in place (set to live position) and only the levers removed, then plugged? I recall seeing a YouTube video where the guy only removes just the levers, then re-assembles the pistol, which left the holes. I don't remember if other internal adjustments were made, but the safety mechanism was still intact. Will this option work with installing the plugs only? Just wondering.

Upon a re-review of the YouTube video, it looks as though plugs will not fit with the original safety mechanism lever rod intact. The rod extends out too far on both sides due to how the levers attach to it.

@jobiin, will your new shorter rod work if one wanted to keep the safety mechanism in place? Is it even mechanically possible?

jobiin · #39 03-03-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by avigar

Upon a re-review of the YouTube video, it looks as though plugs will not fit with the original safety mechanism lever rod intact. The rod extends out too far on both sides due to how the levers attach to it.

@jobiin, will your new shorter rod work if one wanted to keep the safety mechanism in place? Is it even mechanically possible?

You're correct. The original rod in the firearm is too long to accommodate the plugs. With the safety levers removed the only way the gun can be turned from safe to unsafe is by rotating that rod with pliers or something.

The new rod replaces that longer rod and makes it flush with the inner assembly of the gun. There is nothing on the new rod that will attach to the current safety system. But having this rod in place is a much for the gun to function properly. So to answer your question, no, with the new rod there is no more safety levers or safety option. It's the same as a full size without a safety.

My EDC is a Glock 26 and it doesn't have a safety. Finger is your safety.

avigar · #40 03-03-2013, 07:13 PM

Thanks. Also, will removing the safety have any effects on the slide staying open after the last round is fired and ejected?

jobiin · #41 03-03-2013, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by avigar

Thanks. Also, will removing the safety have any effects on the slide staying open after the last round is fired and ejected?

Nope, two totally different parts of the gun. The gun will operate exactly the same, just with no safety.

one4freedom · #42 03-03-2013, 10:28 PM

new thread I started dedicated to the safety mechanisms.

IamCaleb · #43 03-03-2013, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kendak

guys when you shoot your kid or wife with this homebuilt "kit" that has not been track or time tested you might want to THINK before you install

What? I don't muzzle my wife and kids, or anyone for that matter. No disrespect, but that's a dumb statement.

What's the difference between this "kit" and just removing the safety levers and leaving the factory rod in place? I looked at my 22 and do not see why it would be dangerous if you keep your booger hook off the bang stick.

jobiin · #44 03-03-2013, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by IamCaleb

What? I don't muzzle my wife and kids, or anyone for that matter. No disrespect, but that's a dumb statement.

What's the difference between this "kit" and just removing the safety levers and leaving the factory rod in place? I looked at my 22 and do not see why it would be dangerous if you keep your booger hook off the bang stick.

The kit is a shorter rod and plastic plugs that fill the gap in the frame when removing the safety.

jobiin · #45 03-03-2013, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by one4freedom

new thread I started dedicated to the safety mechanisms.

Everyone check this out if you have doubts about removing the safety and the gun still being safe.

jobiin · #46 03-04-2013, 10:52 AM

Just a little update. Everyone who ordered a kit over the weekend, they were put in the mail this morning. Those who live outside the US who ordered a kit, your's will be in the mail *** soon as I get my front fender back on my car. Apparently it's illegal to drive with your tires exposed says this $180 ticket.

jobiin · #47 03-05-2013, 03:10 PM

Latest order of plugs shipped today.

I am planning on creating a laser mount for the M&P series that will snap in around the grip. Just gotta find a small enough laser that I can order in large quantities.

one4freedom · #48 03-06-2013, 08:19 AM

Got mine and installed them today. They are awesome!

IntenseImage · #49 03-06-2013, 11:16 AM

Thanks again for the plugs. The install took 5 mins at the most. They look great

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CoolComputerGuy · #50 03-07-2013, 07:11 PM

Need Help installing these plugs. NOT A HAPPY CAMPER.