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Old 04-12-2013, 10:35 PM
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I've had my Kahr CW9 for a long while now. I gave into the pop-gun-culture trend and bought a Shield in 9mm...I've had it about 6 days. A few observations for those who are interested:

1) The Shield (with the 7rd flush-fit magazine) and the CW9 are practically identical in size - length, width and height. Not enough difference to mention. The only noticeable difference (outside the fact that the 8rd magazine makes the Shield taller) is the Shield has a larger trigger guard.

2) The Shield (with the 7rd flush-fit magazine) and the CW9 are almost identical in weight (if you didn't know, the CW9 magazine holds 7 rounds too)..

3) The Kahr fits better in my hand.

4) The Kahr doesn't need $92 worth of aftermarket parts to get a decent trigger.

5) Because the Kahr has a superior trigger (out of the box) I hit better with it. We'll see how the Shield feels when those $92 worth of aftermarket trigger parts arrive and are installed.

6) the Kahr was about $200 cheaper.

With all the talk of how great the Shield is, and my experience with my full-size M&P's (9mm and .45 and LOVE them), I thought the Shield would be just as good as its big brothers, only smaller. Well, it is smaller...

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Old 04-12-2013, 11:03 PM
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Glad you like the Kahr. My son had one before he sold it a while back. IMHO you don't need $92 of parts for the Shield trigger. I can't understand why anyone wants to spend money on a trigger kit before even shooting 200+ rounds down range. Then if you still don't like it, knock yourself out tuning it up. My recently purchased Shield has a much improved trigger versus my older 9c, so much so that I don't plan to do anything to it. As for the "fit in the hand" that is subjective. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I much prefer the Shield, not even close. It just points naturally for me. As for accuracy, at least with me shooting, the Shield wins. I'm sure you can easily recoup your money on the Shield, maybe even make a profit. Better hurry though, before the " pop-gun-culture" fades!
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Old 04-13-2013, 07:52 AM
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I got my shield for $450 recently. How do you figure the kahr is $200 cheaper??? They are about the same price give or take. Kinda hard to take you serious after reading that...

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Both great guns. I happen to like Kahrs ( P380 and CW9). My son and his wife have 2 Shields. IMHO though, the Kahr has the best DAO trigger in the industry ( as reported by the likes of Massad Ayoob, Hickock 45, Gunblast, etc.). I'd feel very well protected with either.
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Old 04-13-2013, 09:19 AM
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I got my shield for $450 recently. How do you figure the kahr is $200 cheaper??? They are about the same price give or take. Kinda hard to take you serious after reading that...
My Kahr was $300 even (NIB from Woodbury Outfitters), free shipping, $10 transfer fee upon arrival from an online auction. If you didn't know, the CW9 is the economy model Kahr.

The Shield was $519 + tax at a local gun shop.

That's how I figure the Kahr was $200 cheaper.

And, yes, considering what the Shields are going for nowadays (I've seen online auctions asking as much as $700 for them - no way I would pay that), I could sell it and make a profit...but I follow advice from Jeff Cooper I read a long time ago...I don't sell guns, because when you do the gun is gone and sooner than later so is the money you got for it.

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Old 04-13-2013, 09:30 AM
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IMHO though, the Kahr has the best DAO trigger in the industry...
I agree with you 100%
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:01 AM
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I got my shield for $450 recently. How do you figure the kahr is $200 cheaper??? They are about the same price give or take. Kinda hard to take you serious after reading that...
CW9 in my area are $350-$375 new. Not arguing ....just saying ......different areas have different prices

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My kahr CW9 has been with me for a lot of years, 0 problems. I see no reason to change anything. Not knocking the shield, I've never handled one.
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Can't speak on the Kahr CW9. I owned the smaller Kahr CM9 before I returned to Kahr for a full refund due to the front factory installed night sight breaking off twice.

I now own a Shield and from my experience Kahr has one thing on my Shield-the trigger but not enough to make up for the inferior magazine.

It is beyond me why Kahr would build a decent weapon and finish it off with an awful magazine that requires the owner to constantly tinker with it to ensure the rounds properly feed.

No joke if you search the official Kahr gun forum there are posts of owners sanding/grinding the magazine and/or polymer to ensure proper fit or squeezing the magazine sides in a vise.

I will admit I did all of the above except sand the polymer.

Personally, I don't think it speaks well of the Kahr's workmanship if sanding and squeezing is required for the magazine to drop from the well.

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I had a PM9 that I had to do a lot of chamber/ramp polishing and magazine work, to get it to finally run right. The Shield 9 has been 100% right out of the box and the trigger is a nice one too.
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Opinions and mileage can and do vary, and that's cool. My experience with the Kahr is limited to the CW9. I passed on a CM9 due to lack of pinky placement. Funny though...the lack of full grip thing that irked me about my old G26 and made me pass on the CM9, I don't mind at all with the Shield and the 7rd magazine. In fact, I prefer the 7rd mag for better concealibility. As far as the Kahr sights, well, they are cheap (remember economy model)...if the front sight in my CW9 ever does make an unscheduled departure I'll put an XS big dot on it and roll on...
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My Kahr was $300 even (NIB from Woodbury Outfitters), free shipping, $10 transfer fee upon arrival from an online auction. If you didn't know, the CW9 is the economy model Kahr.

The Shield was $519 + tax at a local gun shop.

That's how I figure the Kahr was $200 cheaper.

And, yes, considering what the Shields are going for nowadays (I've seen online auctions asking as much as $700 for them - no way I would pay that), I could sell it and make a profit...but I follow advice from Jeff Cooper I read a long time ago...I don't sell guns, because when you do the gun is gone and sooner than later so is the money you got for it.
My bad, I forgot about the economy model.
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I had a CM9

I liked the CM9
I love my Shield 40

My Shield hasn't bobbled a single round from shot 1

My CM9 went back to the factory with an issue, and jammed a few times in breakin

I don't like the exposed slides top spring which can be easily damaged when reassembling the weapon

I also didn't like the mags either

I shoot MUCH better with the shield

I didn't like the long trigger pull of the Kahr nor did I like the long reset.

(Try a true double tap on the Kahr.......... It's not pretty, it will probably go 6 inches low )
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Kahr's do have nice triggers, but the economy CW9 only comes with one mag, while the Shield comes with 2. The Shield has a thumb safety (which I prfer). S&W has much better service than Kahr does, and the "200 round break in" policy of Kahr's always annoyed me. The gun should be reliable right from the box, not after spending $60 in practice ammo.

And I don't get the "Sheild trigger needs $92 in parts to make a great trigger" thing. First of all, the Shield is a personal protection piece, not a target gun. You think you're gonna notice any difference if you ever have to use the gun? I think the Shield has a sweet trigger. at 15 yards, I put all the rounds into a group the size of my palm.
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I had a PM9 that I had to do a lot of chamber/ramp polishing and magazine work, to get it to finally run right. The Shield 9 has been 100% right out of the box and the trigger is a nice one too.
Their CW models were made for carry not for show so they are not finely finished, conventional rifling instead of polygonal rifling, internal my CW45 has a polished feed ramp from the factory, I don't own any of the higher priced units so can't compare. I've never had a problem with mine put hundreds of rounds down range with it even my wife, son and his wife shot it with not problems. Never had a mag problem. There is a 200 round break in period which mine did not experience any failures during. Front site is still solid even with heavy recoil of .45acp,, they are plastic and held in only by looks to be melting over the tab. Replacement sites come with a screw to hold them on Trijicon is the way to go tho. With all the excellent reviews I’ve read about them with some negative one’s is the reason I picked it for CCW small, compact, doesn’t print IWB or OWB much and has been very reliable for me as I stated. Try to shoot them both some ranges will rent them, and see which one is right for you remember you are the one who needs to be satisfied.
And yes I own more S&W's then Kahr's

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I read a lot of complaints about the M&P triggers...I guess I'm just "trigger challenged" or something, because I don't mind them at all. Heck, I don't even mind the trigger on my SD9VE! Most if not all the revolvers I have ever shot in DA (except the Ruger LCR) had a heavier trigger pull. No, they aren't 1911 smooth and light...but they aren't 1911s.

I've owned three Kahrs (two CW9s and one CW45) and while I do agree the triggers are good, I do not see Kahr in general as in the same league as S&W. First and foremost, at one time Kahr had a lifetime warranty...now, it is 5 years. If Kahr doesn't think enough of its own products to warrant them for life, as does S&W, then I don't either. Second, I do not like the "fluff and buff" (Kahr forum term) that you have to do to most Kahr pistols and magazines to make them perform reliably. Last but not least, a pistol (IMO) should work reliably 100% of the time right out of the box...how many of you would buy a car and put up with it not starting, stalling, or dying while you are driving it for the first few hundred miles? Not me! It would be going back to the dealership...and a car is a lot more mechanically complex than a handgun.

I know any gun can have a few break-in issues, but this "shoot X number of rounds and then call me" that you get from Kahr and Kimber is the main reason I don't own their products any more. S&W also pays shipping both ways if you do need service, which I don't think Kahr does.
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I have both the 9mm Shield and CW9, and the Shield out does the Kahr in almost all aspects. The trigger on the Kahr is weird, you never know when its going to break when shooting it. The Shield just feels better in my hand. The Kahr has been in my nightstand since I got the Shield and the only time its been taken out was when I went to the range a couple weeks ago to try out the S&W.
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The longer this thread goes, the more I think I made a GOOD decision buying the Shield. All things considered, I do think the Kahr is in the same "league" with the Shield, but at the same time the Shield does have a few things going for it.

The Shield does not compare to the Kahr in terms of trigger pull, but even I have been the "victim" of the long reset on the Kahr. Also, while the Shield does have a perfectly servicable trigger out of the box, I don't like the grit on take up. I don't care about light, I care about smooth. After having S&W models:

10, 13, 19, 28, 29, 34, 629, 631, 642, 310, 5906, 910...and a couple more I can't remember...

I would expect something better triggerwise from a pistol from a stalwart like S&W.

I do like the Shield. I may be getting a little too critical.

As far as the thumb safety is concerned, I could never really see the point on a striker-fired pistol.

I'm gonna give it a few more months and shots...I guess my biggest problem is I didn't warm up to it straight away like I did my full-size M&P's...
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My friend got a Shield 9 a few weeks ago. It was his first gun purchase. He handled everything, and with Shields non-existent at stores, the Kahrs were leading the pack. We finally got our hands on a Shield that was on hold waiting to be picked up by the guy that had ordered it. Two days later he went back and placed his order for one. He is very pleased with it and is confident he made the right choice.

The only issue I have with the triggers is the fact they aren't always consistent from one pistol to the next. The one we got to handle in the store felt horrible compared to some M&P compacts we handled. Then his pistol arrived, and it was as good as the compact or better.

Aside from that, I agree with KBM's comments about the trigger not being a big deal unless you are competition shooting.
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My shooting buddy has the Kahr pm9 and I have the shield 40 and since Im in Ma. I had to get the $92 trigger but it was worth it.His pm 9 is a very well made firearm and It has about 500 rds though it with only 3 miss feeds as far as my shield 500rds no miss feeds at all.The shield is more comfortable and a lot more accurate. So since i reload i wanted to pick up a small 9mm for cheaper expense shooting I debated getting a kahr but have decided on another shield.
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Agreed the trigger is awful... at this point i'm actually debating on whether to do apex or just go back to the glock 27 as my carry.
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Even though this thread is almost a year old I'll throw in my 2 cents.

I own a Shield, Compact and FS all in 9. I like them, I like them a LOT.

However lately when I reach into the safe for my EDC of the day it is more than likely going to be my Kahr CW9 or CW380. I always poo-poohed Kahrs until I actually handled a few. Once you get used to the long butter smooth trigger you get hooked.

In fact I'm looking to add a CW45 soon. My hope is to find a used one as a lot of folks will buy a Kahr and never quite like the trigger and trade it in. That's how I got my CW9 for less $$.

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Glad you like the Kahr. My son had one before he sold it a while back. IMHO you don't need $92 of parts for the Shield trigger. I can't understand why anyone wants to spend money on a trigger kit before even shooting 200+ rounds down range. Then if you still don't like it, knock yourself out tuning it up. My recently purchased Shield has a much improved trigger versus my older 9c, so much so that I don't plan to do anything to it. As for the "fit in the hand" that is subjective. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I much prefer the Shield, not even close. It just points naturally for me. As for accuracy, at least with me shooting, the Shield wins. I'm sure you can easily recoup your money on the Shield, maybe even make a profit. Better hurry though, before the " pop-gun-culture" fades!
You also run the risk of getting picked apart by a legal defense attorney regarding your "intent" to shoot someone if you upgrade your trigger, add a crimson trace laser, etc. Not saying it sticks, but more and more, I read or hear anecdotes regarding this topic.

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I have both and both are great firearms. Can't complain about the kahr or shield. The kahr with the flush mag is a little longer in the grip thou. They hang out about 1/8" where the shield is flush. Easier to conceal my shield.
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I have both just shot them yesterday I bought the Shield because I love the trigger on my M&Pc9 and was hoping the shield trigger would be as good and it is.The CW9 & CM9 (have both) are great but I can't get use to the lone trigger pull or reset so I'll most likely carry the Shield. Everyone has different, say what feels good to them EDC what you shoot and handle best.
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I just picked up a cw9 new in box for 300 OTD. I had one and traded it for a Ruger sr9c. Its a great gun I carry every day. Its a on the large size but it is a great all round gun. The CW9 is an inbetween gun size. My CW9 I sold was very accurate and I was surprised how it shot out of the box. The shield I was very interested in but could not find one for less then about 400. There is a place near here that had them for 345 plus tax. I bought my Kahr for 275 plus tax. The down side is only one magazine. How much does one mag cost Kahr? 10 dollars? I found one place that sells factory new ones for 27, not too bad.
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Loved all the six polymer Kahr's I owned...until each one had reliability problems I could not trust my life to. If yours runs fine, go for it. Mine were love affairs gone bad. Loved the grip, trigger and accuracy. Not knowing WHEN it would choke was too much stress. So went with Glocks...until the other day I shot the Shield. Hello dependability and accuracy.
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My Kahr was $300 even (NIB from Woodbury Outfitters), free shipping, $10 transfer fee upon arrival from an online auction. If you didn't know, the CW9 is the economy model Kahr.

The Shield was $519 + tax at a local gun shop.

That's how I figure the Kahr was $200 cheaper.

And, yes, considering what the Shields are going for nowadays (I've seen online auctions asking as much as $700 for them - no way I would pay that), I could sell it and make a profit...but I follow advice from Jeff Cooper I read a long time ago...I don't sell guns, because when you do the gun is gone and sooner than later so is the money you got for it.
Wow, just bought my Shield last week from Gun Genie for $375+tax.
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I have a Kahr CW9 and it runs ok. The mags are wonky, and sometimes the first round nosedives, especially the 8 round mag. The mags are well made, but the design holds the top round at a weird angle relative to the round under it. Once I get the first round chambered I have not had a problem.

I strongly considered the Shield and have shot rentals. It has some advantages with dovetailed front site, non-weird mags and a shorter trigger pull. Disadvantages are the higher weight and shorter barrel for a gun that is almost identical in size.

I would like to get one eventually and I really like my M&P 45, gritty take-up and all. I'm not fussy about triggers and I think too much is made about them unless you shoot bullseye. I will agree that pull length affects the ability to shoot rapidly, but I never tried to measure the difference.
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Wow, makes no sence to me why a guy would talk down about a brand new pistol that he hasnt shot yet. why did you even buy it if you have your mind set that it already needs money invested in it to make it "run better"? If you want to spend $92 bux on a aftermarket trigger because you feel the engineers at S&W are incompetent then that's your choice. Me, I would rather see you spend $92 bux on ammo and then come back & talk to us about how smooth the pistol got after you ran 500 rounds thru it.

The Shield MRSP is $449, the Kahr MRSP is $460


I owned a Kahr CW40 which is very similar to your CW9. And although I did like it initially, it wasnt my cup of tea & I traded it in for a new Shield 40. Although both pistols are nearly the same in size the grip on the kahr with a magazine is about 1/2" longer.

Things I didnt like about the Kahr.

1. Grip was too thin for my hand (i have medium size hands)
2. Front sight is pinned on polymer plastic
3. comes with only one magazine
4. Magazine springs were a b!tch to put back in after disassembly for cleaning & the polymer follower has this silly metal tab in it that protrudes & rubs against the inside of the mag well..
5. There was noticable play (up/down movement) in the rear of the slide when pulling the trigger.
6. there is only one recoil spring that is apart from the recoil guide rod (non captive spring) and it's not the easiest to put back in after cleaning... and finally.
7. Take down on all Kahr's is not difficult but if you're not careful you can damage the slide release spring when reinserting the take down/slide lock lever. That spring by the way is screwed into the polymer frame, if that ever strips out, you're going to have to get the frame replaced...In addition Kahr only has a 5 year warranty and the warranty is not transferable to a new owner if you go to sell it.

Now on to the S&W Shield & why I traded my Kahr for another Shield.

1. S&W lifetime service warranty that is transferable
2. the fit & finish on the Shield is top quaility, no movement of the slide while depressing the trigger.
3. recoil springs are a captive design making it much easier for maintainence
4. Shield's come with two magazines.
5. Shield fits better in my hand...
6. Both front & rear sights are steel
7. Magazines are easier to disassemble & reassemble & are smoother in operation when compared to the Kahr.
8. There are more accessories & holsters available on the market for the Shield's.
9. Take down is much simplier & easier than the Kahr.

What stores can you name sell Kahr magazines? The Academy 2.8 miles from my home stocks S&W mags for many models including the shield every day. Kahr mags cost a few bucks more too ...

Now dont get me wrong, Kahr makes a fine pistol but for the money invested, one is better off with a M&P Shield. I feel the quaility, fit & finish, the extra mag, the much better captive recoil spring, the melanite coating on the slide is the toughest in the industry & the S&W lifetime warranty for the Shield is a no brainer...

I have a Texas CHL & my Shield 40 is what I trust my life with...

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Wow, makes no sence to me why a guy would talk down about a brand new pistol that he hasnt shot yet. why did you even buy it if you have your mind set that it already needs money invested in it to make it "run better"? If you want to spend $92 bux on a aftermarket trigger because you feel the engineers at S&W are incompetent then that's your choice. Me, I would rather see you spend $92 bux on ammo and then come back & talk to us about how smooth the pistol got after you ran 500 rounds thru it.

The Shield MRSP is $449, the Kahr MRSP is $460


I owned a Kahr CW40 which is very similar to your CW9. And although I did like it initially, it wasnt my cup of tea & I traded it in for a new Shield 40. Although both pistols are nearly the same in size the grip on the kahr with a magazine is about 1/2" longer.

Things I didnt like about the Kahr.

1. Grip was too thin for my hand (i have medium size hands)
2. Front sight is pinned on polymer plastic
3. comes with only one magazine
4. Magazine springs were a b!tch to put back in after disassembly for cleaning & the polymer follower has this silly metal tab in it that protrudes & rubs against the inside of the mag well..
5. There was noticable play (up/down movement) in the rear of the slide when pulling the trigger.
6. there is only one recoil spring that is apart from the recoil guide rod (non captive spring) and it's not the easiest to put back in after cleaning... and finally.
7. Take down on all Kahr's is not difficult but if you're not careful you can damage the slide release spring when reinserting the take down/slide lock lever. That spring by the way is screwed into the polymer frame, if that ever strips out, you're going to have to get the frame replaced...In addition Kahr only has a 5 year warranty and the warranty is not transferable to a new owner if you go to sell it.

Now on to the S&W Shield & why I traded my Kahr for another Shield.

1. S&W lifetime service warranty that is transferable
2. the fit & finish on the Shield is top quaility, no movement of the slide while depressing the trigger.
3. recoil springs are a captive design making it much easier for maintainence
4. Shield's come with two magazines.
5. Shield fits better in my hand...
6. Both front & rear sights are steel
7. Magazines are easier to disassemble & reassemble & are smoother in operation when compared to the Kahr.
8. There are more accessories & holsters available on the market for the Shield's.

What stores can you name sell Kahr magazines? The Academy 2.8 miles from my home stocks S&W mags for many models including the shield every day. Kahr mags cost a few bucks more too ...

Now dont get me wrong, Kahr makes a fine pistol but for the money invested, one is better off with a M&P Shield. I feel the quaility, fit & finish, the extra mag, the much better captive recoil spring, the melanite coating on the slide is the toughest in the industry & the S&W lifetime warranty for the Shield is a no brainer...

I have a Texas CHL & my Shield 40 is what I trust my life with...
The mag purchase thing is different everywhere. None of my stores carry Shield or Kahr mags unless it's just some off chance they got a few. Otherwise it's Sig 226, 220, Glock and M&P
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Really can't go wrong with either, I've found when comparing just about any other quality EDC against a Kahr it all comes down whether one likes, tolerates, or hates the Kahr triggers.

I was an early adopter of the PM9 and it is my summertime EDC. In colder months I transition to an XDs .45. I also have a CW9 and love it as much as my PM9 but will probably "move it along" because it really doesn't fit into my rotation. I'm in the camp that loves the Kahr triggers. I love the smoothness and the predictable break you get with the Kahrs. Now, I will admit there have been times when I've recently transitioned from the XDs that I have short stroked the Kahr trigger. That aside, my Kahrs have been Uber reliable and I'm a fan of Kahrs in general.

On the flip side my nightstand gun is a 40c and I also have a Pro 9 5". I love the M&P line and they have their place with me as well, just not as carry pieces. My EDC must be small, even pocket-able in the warmer months. It also must be at least a 9mm. So in conclusion, if you like or tolerate the Kahr trigger it's hard to beat a PM/CM9 for carry period. If you are moving up to something the size of a Shield then the Shield would probably get my vote even though the CW9 is a great value. Also worth considering, with the Shield there is better aftermarket support especially regarding sights and trigger upgrades.
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I bought my Shield for $362 without the thumb safety and good have purchased the Shield with the thumb safety for $349.99. As far as what Hickok45 likes, he likes the trigger on the Shield just fine and recently stated that he purchased one for himself and has been carrying it. I just purchased mine and have ordered 1,000 rounds of 124 grain 9mm ammo from Freedom Ammunition and will see how I like the trigger after putting 200 to 500 rounds through the gun. Right now it doesn't feel bad to me and is actually better than the one that came with my M&P Pro that had a 7 lb. trigger pull (per specs, should have been 4 - 5 1/2) but rather than sending it back to S&W I went for the Apex FSS trigger kit to also reduce the travel. I had rented a Kahr and I thought that the trigger pull was way more than what I have with the Shield right now. I have large hands but the Shield feels just fine, especially with the extended mag, and between the grip and the trigger, I'm now selling my XDS. Anyway, it's all personal preferences regarding guns and the Kahr and Shield are both fine guns. However, I think you got ripped off on what you paid for your Shield. The only place I've seen that price is at Cabela's. Regards, Elliot45

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My Kahr was $300 even (NIB from Woodbury Outfitters), free shipping, $10 transfer fee upon arrival from an online auction. If you didn't know, the CW9 is the economy model Kahr.

The Shield was $519 + tax at a local gun shop.

That's how I figure the Kahr was $200 cheaper.

And, yes, considering what the Shields are going for nowadays (I've seen online auctions asking as much as $700 for them - no way I would pay that), I could sell it and make a profit...but I follow advice from Jeff Cooper I read a long time ago...I don't sell guns, because when you do the gun is gone and sooner than later so is the money you got for it.

Wow! I paid $439 + tax for my new Shield 40 last week.
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Looks like it's been a while since the last post but I will put in my two cents anyway. I am very fond of my Kahr's (CT45, CW40, K40 and P380) and I carry the CW40 daily with the P380 as a backup. Also love my M&P40 and my M&P45c to a lesser degree. Did own a 9mm Shield for a short time. Traded it as I don't like thumb safeties. Today I stumbled onto a new Shield in 40 cal with no thumb safety priced at $399.99 at my local pawn shop. I'm considering it but even if I do purchase it none of my Kahr's will go. Not going to break up the family. Have the triggers improved? Seems like I read that somewhere.
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Triggers are excellent...got new one..i like the safety
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I have several different brands of guns and don't like confusion on where the safety is. I don't need it. I know some do. I will be back tomorrow to take a more detailed look at the Shield. I really don't need it but want often overpowers need with me.
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So do I
Love the trigger on my CT9
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Old 12-15-2015, 11:09 AM
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FWIW- I paid $351.00 in October including tax and background check for a Shield with a made date on 4/29/15. The trigger is very good out of the box. With 1000+ rounds it's great. I considered doing a trigger kid but mine is too good to mess with.

If you have an older Shield, look into this DIY trigger work.
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I did have to adjust the rear sight and now it is a very accurate gun!
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I have a K9, P9, and a PM9. Nice weapons.
None can hold a candle to my 3" M60 in terms of power, accuracy, and trigger. I carry the M60 now.
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Move down to the CM9/PM9 and I think the Kahr pulls ahead. The Kahrs are a hair thinner than the Shield.
I find my PM9 is actually a pocketable pocket gun whereas the Shield is large enough to not be. Your pocket may vary.
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My Kahr was $300 even (NIB from Woodbury Outfitters), free shipping, $10 transfer fee upon arrival from an online auction. If you didn't know, the CW9 is the economy model Kahr.

The Shield was $519 + tax at a local gun shop.

That's how I figure the Kahr was $200 cheaper.

And, yes, considering what the Shields are going for nowadays (I've seen online auctions asking as much as $700 for them - no way I would pay that), I could sell it and make a profit...but I follow advice from Jeff Cooper I read a long time ago...I don't sell guns, because when you do the gun is gone and sooner than later so is the money you got for it.
You got great deal on the Kahr I had the same gun (great gun)
but you payed way to much for the Shield I can buy them all day long for $375 and you are right the Kahr has a better trigger
except the length of travel before engaging so I still like the Shield right out of the box JMO.
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I also prefer a cw9 to a shield . I started as a DA /SA revolver shooter and carried a DA snubby for 19 years so a kahr is a natural progression for a first concealed carry semi-auto . I also have cm9 for work carry but with retirement I found I preferred the larger tp40 and now a ct45 over smaller handguns and gave my cw9 to a daughter for CCW . Wife edc is a m&p9c and she has a 9mm CORE and I got to do the break in on both . I had m&p full size I bought as a post hand surgery EDC but gave it to a daughter after shooting a sig p320 and unless my hands grip control improves a bit more I will continue to CC a p320 compact but with the purchase of a kahr ct45 that is wider and heavier than there small bore pistols and with a stock 4lb 12oz trigger enjoyable to shoot and carry too .

So is there a best carry pistol , NO . Many makes and models do the job very well for many people . But if kahr made a double stack ??

Joe44va To bad you don't have a kahr in 40sw , your opinion would be different but the cw9 is comparable to a 357 2" still . Just have to pick a better class of 9mm ammo .

Is your model 60 a 3" 357 version ? The 2" version gives up to much accuracy and velocity to be comparable to anything but a 9mm . My old cw9 will exceed 1120fps with underwood 124gr+P ammo . Being an old revolver guy first and buying my first 357mag in 1976 I will debate whether a kahr pistol can compare . Lets compare to the kahr 40sw . A buddy has a cw40 and I have a tp40 . With underwood 155gr gold dots it will average 1281fps in a cw40 that is the size of a snubby and just about as fun to shoot as a 357steel snubby .

Now bump up to my tp40 4" kahr that still smaller than a 3" model 60 will average 1321 fps with that same 155gr underwood load , ad 95fps for a 135gr load . It takes a 4" barreled 357 rem mag to do that reliably , a 3" might with a few loads not likely and the 3" model 60 is all ready a longer heavier handgun than a tp40 . Accuracy - You are comparing both when shot as double actions right ? A 4" tp40 kahr is a sub 3" 25 yards pistol and granted the 3" model 60 might beat that but is it really better . 3" groups are about what most full pistols will do so its far from bad for a defensive handgun , cw series , add another 1" . And a cw40 or tp40 is not a 5 shooter !

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I love my Shield .40 and I love my Kahr cm9. I can't find anything wrong with my Shield, but there are a couples of things that are less than ideal with the Kahr. So why do I like it?, because it is SMALL! This isn't comparing apples to apples. In fact if I throw my Glock 27 into the rotation, it makes my Shield a tweener.
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I sold my CW9 to buy my first Shield.
While I liked the CW9, I have no regrets
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Late to the party....just picked up my first KAHR (CW9)
Also have a few other 9 compacts...each is slightly different, but aren't we all looking for the "perfect" compact 9?
I'll be shooting it next week alongside the Shield PC, and probably my HK.
Time will tell if it's "The one"
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Hey....as I said.....New to the party....gimme' a break...(and you another Floridian.....) VBG
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I prefer the Nacho Cheese Doritos over the Cool Ranch flavor, but in the end they’re both empty calories.
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I like the looks of the Kahr guns, but I keep hearing about reliability issues. Just cannot handle that, and don't want to introduce that into my system. No need to.
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