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Magazine disconnect gone
Ordered the mag disconnect spring from Welcome to Speed Shooter Specialties . The whole process went rather well. The hardest part was getting everything seated back in the frame enough to get the roll pin back in. It'll be so nice being able to pull the trigger to field strip for cleaning.
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Do you remember the part number or how to search for that spring?
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Do you remember the part number or how to search for that spring?
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Sorry about that. Thought I posted the whole link.
Mag Safety Deactivation Spring [1787] - $4.00 : Welcome to Speed Shooter Specialties
Also, the spring is a tight fit. I held the spring with a pair of mini needle nose. Worked good.
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04-29-2013, 06:24 PM
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You can also use a size #1 spring from Ace Hardware. You have to cut it to length.
It costs 40¢ and is long enough to modify 2 or 3 M&P's with it.
I used this method on my 9c and a friend's 9FS with perfect function and no troubles.
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Why didn't you just buy an M&P that didn't have one in the first place?
Hope you never have to use that pistol in a real shooting now...
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04-29-2013, 07:39 PM
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Why didn't you just buy an M&P that didn't have one in the first place?
Hope you never have to use that pistol in a real shooting now...
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And the thread goes down hill.
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Hillbilly is right on, I bought the #1 Spring cut it to length, and it works like a charm. Sometimes if you see a M&P on the shelf you don't worry about the mag safety,you just gotta have it and the mod is so easy to do its a no brainer!
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My 9c came with the mag disconnect but no safety. Since I use this gun as a night stand home defense weapon, I've been chambering a round then releasing the magazine and leaving 1/2 of it sticking out of the bottom of the pistol. I'm thinking that having to slam the magazine home in order to render the firearm functional I'm allowing myself a couple of seconds to become totally awake before I blast away at things that go bump in the night Hopefully my canine alarm system will give me those couple of seconds. The mag disconnect is a PITA though when field stripping or dry firing.
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04-30-2013, 08:32 AM
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Why didn't you just buy an M&P that didn't have one in the first place?
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When I was looking for one the only one that was available was a 10 round model with the disconnect.
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04-30-2013, 08:34 AM
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Hope you never have to use that pistol in a real shooting now...
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Why is that? Because it's "modified"? The gun can be ordered without the disconnect so what's the problem?
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04-30-2013, 09:20 AM
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Thanks! My 40c came with the mag disconnect but its annoying so I will be removing it. I've trained without it so I should be good. I didn't purchase one without it because it was hard enough finding one and wasn't gonna wait months for it to arrive
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Why didn't you just buy an M&P that didn't have one in the first place?
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Maybe because that gun lacks the billboard warning on the right side of the slide that the gun will fire w/o a mag.
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You can also use a size #1 spring from Ace Hardware.
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This is a good savings, but for $4 you can have the factory part and then your gun isn't "modified" because it has all the factory parts.
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Why didn't you just buy an M&P that didn't have one in the first place?
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That is not always an option.
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Hope you never have to use that pistol in a real shooting now...
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Um, what? What does that have to do with anything?
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Maybe because that gun lacks the billboard warning on the right side of the slide that the gun will fire w/o a mag.
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It's my gun, no one else should be touching it.
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I don't mind that my ACE Hardware spring is not a factory part - it works.
I also like having a gun with no disconnect that doesn't have the ugly warning stamped into the side of it.
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To those of you who want to poo-poo me for suggesting it's a very bad idea to remove safties that were supplied by the factory...you've obviously never seen one of these cases adjudicated in court. I have. If you think it's worth losing your house and retirement over, have at it...
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly77
You can also use a size #1 spring from Ace Hardware. You have to cut it to length.
It costs 40¢ and is long enough to modify 2 or 3 M&P's with it.
I used this method on my 9c and a friend's 9FS with perfect function and no troubles.
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This is what I did. Simple job.
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Why didn't you just buy an M&P that didn't have one in the first place?
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When I bought mine, the ones with a mag safety are all they had.
I didn't think much about it until I wanted to dry fire train.
The spring just keeps pressure against the sear release.
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To those of you who want to poo-poo me for suggesting it's a very bad idea to remove safties that were supplied by the factory...you've obviously never seen one of these cases adjudicated in court. I have. If you think it's worth losing your house and retirement over, have at it...
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Please tell us what the case law is. I'm very curious to see how the fact that a gun was modified was used to prosecute someone.
Where was it fought? What was the case number? Who vs whom?
I've always heard this argument against modifying a gun, but never actually seen a case where a modified gun was detrimental. I can't wait to read it.
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It'll be so nice being able to pull the trigger to field strip for cleaning.
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You can actually do that with the mag disconnect still active.
- Insert an empty mag
- Lock the slide back
- Rotate the takedown lever to the down position
- Hold the gun sideways so you don't accidentally drop the mag to the ground
- Unlock the slide, let it move forward until it stops
- Pull the trigger
- Push the mag release button. The mag will move out an inch or so.
The slide should then be allowed to move all the way forward and out.
I now do this all the time so I don't have to fuss with the internal lever. Of course I make sure the mag is empty and pulling the slide open ensures no bullets remain in the gun when you pull the trigger.
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Please tell us what the case law is. I'm very curious to see how the fact that a gun was modified was used to prosecute someone.
Where was it fought? What was the case number? Who vs whom?
I've always heard this argument against modifying a gun, but never actually seen a case where a modified gun was detrimental. I can't wait to read it.
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While there might not be a case on file, in the current world of sue happy lawyers who will take your case for free, & count on a win for 40% of the award money, it's better to be prepared. While a criminal case probably wouldn't win, a civil case requires less burden of proof to win. I was a boy scout, & our motto was to be prepared. Sure, I have a 1911 with a "target trigger" for range use, but for self defense I have a bone stock M&P40c. I won't be a test case. We live in a world where "slip & fall" lawyers fill my TV screen with 20 minutes a day of useless advertising. GARY
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There have been manufacturers that offered a pistol with a mag disconnect, for example some of the old browning Hi Powers, however the current on slaught of models with a mag disconnect, are as a result of legislation in Commiefornia in 2006 when they passed a law requieing them and the law was fully immplemented in 2007. Now when a LGS orders a firearm from a wholesaler's, they order whatever is in stock at the wholesaler and if it has a mag safety they need the gun for a customer or stock and thats how these guns are showing up in states that do not require the feature. As for removing the dissconect, there are people that fear everything and those of us that have a pair and don't worry about the removal of a minor feature, any good attorney can argue the removal of a part away, especially if it was produced for a state that is on its way to total diarmament of its citizen's. I want a firearm that saves my life not one that in a fight if I accidentally hit the mag release I have to scramble to get the mag back in, to fire the gun. Just my opinion, and yours may differ, do what makes you comfortable.
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While there might not be a case on file, in the current world of sue happy lawyers who will take your case for free, & count on a win for 40% of the award money, it's better to be prepared. While a criminal case probably wouldn't win, a civil case requires less burden of proof to win. I was a boy scout, & our motto was to be prepared. Sure, I have a 1911 with a "target trigger" for range use, but for self defense I have a bone stock M&P40c. I won't be a test case. We live in a world where "slip & fall" lawyers fill my TV screen with 20 minutes a day of useless advertising. GARY
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Gary,
Your logic is sound. It certainly makes sense that a modified gun could be used to bolster a weak case. However, while I've heard this argument, and even made it myself, for years, I've never seen an actual case where it was successfully used. I'm not saying it hasn't, I've just never seen one. So, I'm very curious to read the case dullh is talking about.
I too believe in being prepared, but there are limits. Obviously we'd all be better protected if we drove around in a tank. That's not practical. Do you wear body armor? I bet the people at Boston, Newton and Aurora wish they had been.
So, thinking practically, I'd rather have a gun that I can use effectively than one that is "lawyer proof". If someone, anyone, can post case law to the contrary, I'll stick to being prepared by having the best gun I can.
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