As I get older (now 68) I seem to get more compulsive---have to do things intensely and completely------in the case of S&W M&Ps I think I am addicted. In less than two years I bought the M&P22, M&P 9 and 9C M&P40 M&P 45 M&P Shield 9mm and 2 M&P Shield 40 (actually forgot I already had the 40 when I bought the 2d one--maybe dementia setting in) ----all that is left is the 40c and I am fighting the Jones to buy that too. The odd thing is that even though I have a CCW I only carry a gun when I go off into the woods as protection against dangerous animals. I am a better than average shot. I am not a 2d amendment advocate--don't really care if there is more or less regulation-------just get kicks going to the range and shooting. I am not a hunter-----but have M&P'd (killed ) 12 wild hogs and a bunch of armadillos that were tearing up my property.

I thought buying more M&P's was the cure.

I keep trying to buy more M&Ps, but the last two I have tried to purchase I get emails back from the stores saying sorry we sold out and you don't get one.

Really? More and more regulation of semi-automatic weapons to the point of confiscation may cure your m&p fever. Until then, just more m&p.

There is a cure, i'll tell you.

When the fever gets high. Just buy another m&p haha.

You could try more cowbell between mags.

I was right with you until I saw this statement.

It would be easy to launch into a rant here, but I will refrain and only state that this type of attitude would have been an abomination to the founding fathers.

The founding fathers, who spent over a decade getting rid of the British, made sure to put in the second amendment to insure that private citizens could always obtain and keep personal arms without infringement so that if another government treated people the way the British did, they could throw that new government off as well and start over.

The primary purpose of the 2nd Amendment, therefore, has nothing to do with hunting or sport shooting, except as those disciplines may assist to insure that all free citizens are well trained (regulated, in 18th Century terminology) in the use of the aforesaid personal arms so they were ready to fight at a moment's notice.

And to any of you who repeat that bleating argument, "well, we register our cars, why shouldn't we register our guns?" I would simply say that cars are used in far more crime and cause far more death each year than do guns (to the extent any inanimate object can cause anything). More importantly, however, cars are not mentioned in the Bill of Rights.

First the "concealed carry" post, now this. You seem to be a conflicted gun owner.

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I sure as hell can't afford to buy more -- especially after changing out sights and buying Apex trigger mods. Do all that, and these guns suddenly start getting expensive.

The 2d amendment was actually written in recognition that the new gov't did not have the money to fund a standing army---that by establishing a right for citizens to bear arms it allowed the states to form militias with no expense for weapons and the new federal gov't could then call upon the militias to serve as the army when needed-------now---the NRA will interpret it a different way but that is what makes for open discussion.

A Hi-Point fever is cheaper to treat!

...and the 2A discussions are being deleted. Not appropriate here.

Apparently the Supreme Court doesn't argee with you.

Don

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Wow!

I would say that Mr. B. Obama is trying very hard to cure your addiction!

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

RonJon

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Sounds like you're taking the "National Guard = Militia" stance. It wasn't just states forming militias. Neighbors, communities formed militias.

The 2nd Amendment was written to give the citizens the right to bare arms.

Take this line into consideration:

"being necessary to the security of a free state"

Free? From who? If you think that had nothing to do with the citizens defending against tyranny (something they had just lived under, if you recall) you're mistaken.

What do you think the 3rd Amendment means then? (Go ahead, look it up)

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With that in mind, I respectfully request that you turn in all of your firearms to your local armory until such time that the Florida Militia is called to arms.

Thank you.

Can not believe I read this on this forum Bengal07. But in this country we can all think what we want. I like the 2nd and hope it does not ever get changed! Good luck to you sir!

NO ....... your thought process is screwed up. It was not so that the federal government could enlist militias to do its fighting. But yes, the founders were adamant about having an armed citizenry. If you read the writings of the founders, you'll discover that they had a great fear of ever again having to face a totalitarian government. As citizen militias would be the standard opposition, at that time, against possible tyranny within OUR OWN GOVERNMENT, it was important that citizens be armed. They also, however, saw the need to document an individual's right to protect himself and his family. (The so-called "hunting factor" that the left likes to throw in our faces as the only legitimate reason for 2A is laughable.) As for the NRA today -- forget that --- you have to go no further than to read the two most recent SC decisions (DC and Chicago), as the interpretation of the 2A language completely (hopefully once and for all) makes null and void what some thought was the requirement of not being able to have one without the other ........... i.e, between militias and citizens right to bear arms -- the argument being that citizens can only bear arms IF they were to be part of a "militia" and then they chose to define today's militia as being the National Guard. Screw that -- they are NOT linked together.

My M&P family has grown to four. That equals my Glock family!
Well, Glock family is pregnant and expecting.
An OD Green G19 on the way.

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Can't believe a Marine would say that.....but then again he probably was not a real Marine

This has to be the silliest thing I have ever read about the 2nd Amendment. And I have read some really silly things. The NRA has nothing whatsoever to do with the proper interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. Unless, of course, all of these people were in the NRA:

“I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …”
Richard Henry Lee
writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.

“The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them.”
Zachariah Johnson
Elliot’s Debates, vol. 3 “The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution.”

“… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms”
Philadelphia Federal Gazette
June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2
Article on the Bill of Rights

“And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …”
Samuel Adams
quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, “Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State”

“Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
George Washington
First President of the United States

“The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.”
Thomas Paine

“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788

“The great object is that every man be armed.” and “Everyone who is able may have a gun.”
Patrick Henry
American Patriot

“Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”
Patrick Henry
American Patriot

“Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not.”
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States

“The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … “
Thomas Jefferson
letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

“The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.”
Alexander Hamilton
The Federalist Papers at 184-8

So, might I suggest you read a bit more on the topic than whatever you have thus far read, and perhaps read a few of the court opinions which detail the actual legislative history of the 2nd Amendment prior to putting forth something you read on the AARP or New England Journal of Medicine web sites.

according to our current Pres. We we don't have the money to fund a standing army today! Not to mention they are driving anyone that's righteous out of the services.

Bengal07

Did Obama put you up to this?

Are you a mole ?

Russ

This is completely silly Bengal07. What you are talking about here is the federal goverment "calling up" or drafting anyone with a gun to do its bidding. This has nothing to do with the second ammendment. The intent of our founding fathers was to prevent government tyranny, not to create it. You were a Marine????

Federalist number 46, read it.

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(On a Standing Army, written 1788, James Madison)

The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops.

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Indeed, the founders saw a powerful, government controlled, standing army as the enemy of liberty.

Excellent posts here.

Shawn, that is a fabulous collection that I have never read before. I am copying that one and referencing it often. It should be required reading for every U.S. citizen. Many of us have never heard these founding fathers words, and they gave us this great gift of a nation.

As for the OP, I am disappointed you feel this way. I think education as Shawn and others most graciously provided will go a long way to truly understanding why the fathers wrote these laws.

And the cure for M&P fever is buying third gen guns. But then you have thirdgenitus and that may be much worse...

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Gentle, we have a troll! See the link below.

Concealed Carry

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What DRIVEL.
Unfortunately, that is the party line our children are now being taught and what many adults(?) now believe.
ANY research into the mindset of the founding fathers disputes this.
So, I'd suggest that we all endeavor to acquire printed copies of those writings while the printed word still exists. Once all data becomes available in digital form only, it will say what they want it to say.

(yeah- I know- I keep the tinfoil handy....)

With that, we'll speed the tiger off to his new home.

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