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Old 05-23-2013, 07:52 PM
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I don't get why popping down the yellow thingy makes any sense as to just dry firing the gun. Will the gun be damaged in any way if I skip that mfg recommended step? If I locked the slide back and flipped down the take down lever I would certainly see a loaded mag in the gun...... Hope it is just a CYA liability issue and I am not doing harm to my pistola!

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Old 05-23-2013, 08:21 PM
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You're correct. It is a CYA thingy. Check the gun, make sure it's clear. Check again, hit the lever, pull the trigger.
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They put it there because Glock owners have been ventilating dinning room tables for decades.

There is really no reason not to use it. But no it will not harm your gun if you don't.
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Hope it is just a CYA liability issue

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You got it, and the "A" being covered is yours!
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It does no harm to the pistol to dry fire it to release the striker for disassembly. It might do harm to you, someone else or your wall, ceiling or floor if it is not unloaded when you "dry fire" it to release the striker.
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:11 PM
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It's just a momentary speed bump for me when disassembling. No big deal really to push the yellow lever
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Many police departments like the fact that you dont have to pull the trigger to strip the gun. In some cases that may well have been a major factor in that Dept choosing the M&P over another gun.
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The fact is NDs happen all the time with Glocks, which require pulling the trigger to field strip.

If you follow the proper procedures when field stripping the M&P, you eliminate that risk. You simply can not have an ND on an M&P unless you pull the trigger.

If someone wants to bypass the sear disconnect and pull the trigger, it's up to them. But to tell people that there is no difference is irresponsible.

No where in the video does it explain the striker block and its role in preventing an ND while field stripping an M&P.

Edit: Another one. 15May2013: Tennessee man allegedly field stripping his Glock pistols shoots his 13-month-old daughter in the chest.

..."Sayre was allegedly field stripping two Glock pistols at his apartment and showing how their parts are interchangeable when the gun went off, seriously wounding the baby who reportedly was standing with her hands on a coffee table nearby..."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...#ixzz2UDQ1QDyN

Unfortunantly the web is full of Glock stories like this.

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And in this corner weighing in at.......... Negligence sums it up! Who would ever pull the trigger on any gun w/o clearing it first? I'm thinking many of reported NDs are the result of impairment. This thread has scared me into using the yellow thingy!
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I'm pretty sure pulling the trigger is the only way to have a ND period. I'm sure lots of people have ND with M&P pistols. To say you CAN NOT have a ND with an M&P is irresponsible and clearly shows you do not know what your talking about! ...
Have you ever shot a hammer fired weapon made before striker blocks? Of course you can have a ND without pulling the trigger.

I never said you cannot have an ND with an M&P, that is my whole point, you can, but you have to pull the trigger. No pull on the trigger, no ND. That is the reason for the sear disconnect.

Use it, don't use it, but don't try to convince folks its just as safe to pull the trigger.
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A discharge that is of no fault of the user is NOT a negligent discharge. A negligent discharge (ND) is a discharge of a firearm involving culpable carelessness. You CAN NOT have a negligent discharge without being negligent...

Trying to blame me for other people's negligence is completely unfounded.
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RichardDBeck,
In your video you say that looking for brass is not a good thing when clearing the gun. Would you please explain why it's not good?
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In your video you say that looking for brass is not a good thing when clearing the gun. Would you please explain why it's not good?
I think what Richard is saying in the video is that when you check your gun for normal use such as every day carry, if you train yourself to all ways pull back the slide to make sure there is a round in the chamber and see brass, you will tell yourself that you are good to go. If when you are field striping your gun and you pull back the slide to check for a round in the chamber, you may mistakenly tell yourself you are good to go if you see brass in the chamber, as you have trained yourself to look for brass to make sure your gun is ready for carry. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, just trying to explain what I got from the video, and his explanation.
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Use it, don't use it, but don't try to convince folks its just as safe to pull the trigger.
Well said! The S&W design is clearly a superior safety feature. You don't have to use it but I honestly folks, I used to be immortal, infallible, and bullet proof myself but I got over that a long time ago. Happened about the same time I started getting grey hair!

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I learned a long long time ago, remove all rounds BEFORE you start cleaning. After removing all rounds check to ensure they are all removed again. This will ALWAYS keep you from an unintended discharge.
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I think what Richard is saying in the video is that when you check your gun for normal use such as every day carry, if you train yourself to all ways pull back the slide to make sure there is a round in the chamber and see brass, you will tell yourself that you are good to go. If when you are field striping your gun and you pull back the slide to check for a round in the chamber, you may mistakenly tell yourself you are good to go if you see brass in the chamber, as you have trained yourself to look for brass to make sure your gun is ready for carry. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, just trying to explain what I got from the video, and his explanation.


Yes this is exactly what I was trying to say. The idea is to mentally make checking your chamber two different procedures. The idea is to slow yourself down by forcing yourself to look for two possible conditions. Ready is "with brass" and an "empty chamber" is unloaded.

Chamber checks can become a muscle memory. Once a skill is a muscle memory you no longer think about it and make mistakes.

It's like when you get talking to the passenger in your car and find yourself driving to work instead of where you really wanted to go.
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I think what Richard is saying in the video is that when you check your gun for normal use such as every day carry, if you train yourself to all ways pull back the slide to make sure there is a round in the chamber and see brass, you will tell yourself that you are good to go. If when you are field striping your gun and you pull back the slide to check for a round in the chamber, you may mistakenly tell yourself you are good to go if you see brass in the chamber, as you have trained yourself to look for brass to make sure your gun is ready for carry. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, just trying to explain what I got from the video, and his explanation.
Thanks, that does clear it up a little.

This is a perfect example of the value of the sear disconnect lever. If you always use the lever, it is impossible to fire the gun while field stripping. I like to boil things down to the most simple way. Using the lever eliminates the possibility of a discharge.

So, even if you see brass and say, "I'm good to go" you won't shoot the gun if you use the lever. I see it as a fail safe.
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I use the yellow lever. I ALMOST fired a hole through my buddies floorboard trying to show him the takedown. I was just about to pull the trigger to take down the gun after dropping the mag with the finger on the trigger and all when I said to my self "let me double check to make sure it's clear". Sure enough I didn't clear the chambered round. Totally my fault, but worried me sick on just how easy an AD is.
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