I have a FS9 and a 40C, and because of living in the Peoples Republic of CA, I only have 10 round mags. However I have never been able to fit 10 rounds into any of them. 9 is the max. Is that the way it is supposed to be? Is my only way to have 10 rounds actually 9 in the mag and 1 in the chamber? Has anyone tried cutting off a coil or two to get 10 into their mag? My range mags have several thousand through them and I always kept thinking that they would break in and loosen up a bit, but 9 is still all I can fit.

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And then leave them fully loaded for a couple days

I actually use the Uplula Loader (from day 1). Still cannot get the 10th one in more than half way.

I had the same problem with my 9c and cut about 1/8 inch off the follower legs and then beveled the edges. It's now easy to load to full capacity.

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Thanks. I was wondering if cutting the spring was the thing, but the follower sounds good. I'll probably give that a try.

I can't load the last round in my 12 rounders (9c) with my Uplula, I do the first 11 and then have to load the 12th by hand. I think the thickness of the loading beak on the Uplula is too thick to allow the last round and the beak under the lips of the mag at the same time.

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Now that is something that I hadn't thought of. I'll try #10 without the loader.

I load 10 rounds into my 10 round mags for my 40c without any issue.

I've never had an issue loading any of my .40c mags by hand. I see similar threads come up on the Glock forums on guns like the G30, but I've never had an issue. Not to sound like a d-bag, but maybe try a little harder?

my 40 C---10 round mags --10 rounds in mags easy.

Without using the loader I was able to get 10 into 2 of my mags but the other 4 still will not go past 9 (I need about another 1/8th of an inch). And for DocSunShine - I think I was trying pretty hard. Going to try akgsimon's ideas of modifying the follower I think.

The 10 round mag I have is completely opposite. I can fit 10 rounds into the magazine but I can't get the magazine into the gun! For some reason it doesn't seat all the way. Is anyone having that problem?

I had the same problem.
I filed the followers down and it fixed it.

Mine 9c is that same with the 12 rounders, you either have to load it in with the slide open, or give it a stronger 'smack' to get it loaded with the slide closed.

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Don

I was having that problem and thought it was normal, then I bought a new magazine (yes, I actually found one) and that one slid in easily with a nice "click" just like an empty mag. I took the follower out of the new one and and old one and compared them. They didn't look anything alike. I called S&W customer service and they said "Yes, the followers have been changed, you can send your magazines back and we'll exchange them, or do you just want me to send you some followers"? I opted for the followers, hopefully they will work the same as my new magazine. As I stated earlier, I can get the 12th round in loading it by hand but apparently there isn't enough "give" in the stack of rounds to easily seat the mag with the slide forward. I'll report back after I get the new followers. I've attached a couple of pictures of the new and old followers that I took and was going to send to S&W but didn't have to.

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I would like to remind anyone modifying magazines of the following: (1) Cutting coils off of the recoil spring can and will cause feeding issues, especially with the last or last few rounds, depending on how many coils are cut. It may not show up immediately, but it will over time. (2) If any government LE type gets hold of your modified magazine and through the use of ape-like force gets 11 into your magazine you are suddenly guilty of a felony. This is, in part, why the tolerances on the 10th round are so close. It is intolerable for sure, but better to load "one round down" than to commit a felony by modifying "just a little too much."

One other problem when the tolerances are so close. Be sure to test the ability to lock the magazine in place without slamming it home with the slide CLOSED. If you cannot do this, then you need one round down anyway in order to do a "tactical reload."

Excellent points!

If all efforts keep you from loading as indicated by the maker then try talking to maker of magazine, could be a production issue...

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I have 7 10rd mags for both my 9FS and 9c in MA. I have a Glock loader that I use on the Mags. The last round is tough on all the mags but I'm able to get it in.

I have to say that S&W mags are thee most difficult to load of ANY mags I have ever loaded. Absolute finger killers if you don't use a loader which I never did until I got S&W's. They work perfectly, so I can't complain about function, but I'm certainly going to be following Bkreutz's advice and ask S&W to send me the new followers. Nothing to lose with that.

I learn something new here everyday. Thanks guys

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Trim the legs on the followers. The 10th round will fit right in. I don't recommend cutting the spring coils off but that is me. I have seen people have feed issues after they mess with the spring. What causes these issues, not sure, but only change was they cut the springs.

I shoot the 9fs and 9c in competition and have made the simple length adjustment of the follower legs with excellent results on all 14 10 round mags I own. They are plastic, cut them any way you please, I use simple shears, others use a Dremel.

There is a Youtube video on the follower mod, a simple search should bring it up.

Disclaimer: I am not an expert, just my experience with my equipment. YMMV.

Best wishes!!

Thanks to everyone who replied to this forum, I always get great answers here.

I got an extra 10 rd magazine for my M&P 9 because that's all I could find and have the same problem. The mag still functions just fine so I do not want to risk modifying it. Eventually I plan on getting a couple of 17 round mags.

Semi thread hi-jack! Lol

First off. I read at thread about a guy forcing 18 rds into his17 rd mags. So I tried it and I got 18 in.

Second. I see the pics of the 2 different followers on this thread, and I'm curious as to what make the same size may only hold 10 or 12 vs my 17rd mags? Is it in the butt plate or spring?

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Kmac

Kmac,
The 10 FS mag looks like this photo - basically it is like a compact mag with a long solid floorplate.

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Thanks. Makes perfect sense. :-)
And actually I knew that from eBay! Just forgot. Lol
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Kmac

Thanks for the pic, I've never seen one. I assumed (wrongly) that they just put a longer follower in to fill the space, now that I think of it they (the regulators) figured it would be too easy to replace the follower or cut it down.

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every time...without issue

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I wonder if the new follower also helps with the loading of the first round as well...I sometimes have a problem getting the first round to go into the magazine. As for the extra firm smack, I fell that under pressure, you're going to give the magazine that little extra anyway, especially if you practice that way.

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From a fellow inmate of the insane assylum (Commiefornistan):
As you load the magazine, tap the butt or back to ensure the rounds are lining up snuggly in the magazine. I assure you that working the springs (not just leaving them compressed) is what "softens them up". My 2 year old 10 round mags have about 300 cycles each in them and they are pretty easy to load up now.

I have no problems loading 10 rds in my mp40c. As far as putting the mag in the gun, it goes in but you have to give it a good shove or open the slide and it will click right in very easy

I got the new followers from S&W and they now load fine.

However, the only issue I really have with my M&Ps is having to really slam home the magazine if the slide is closed. A Glock mag slides right in with no effort. The M&P has to rammed in. I have had all my magazines loaded for months and stored full, so at this point I will assume the spring is not going to soften up.

Slamming them in is not a huge deal at the range, but could it become a problem in a life threatening situation? Very possibly.

Not at first. I loaded 9 only for a year, then one day I found I could load 10. Just stick with 9 and keep them loaded, eventually you will fit 10.