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Old 08-22-2013, 06:57 AM
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I've got three older M&P's (not Shields) where the lower trigger pin can back out a few bazillionths of an inch. I just keep an eye on it. I'm not sure it can move far enough to cause issues without the owner really knowing about it, though.

If the lower trigger falls off entirely, the gun will still function just fine, but the trigger safety parts won't work, of course. (At least on the older M&P's. I presume that the Shield is set up the same way.)

The distribution of this information is kinda odd, though. Apparently it's legitimate from what I read here.

I don't understand the recall, except as a CYA should the trigger safety go away without notice.

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My very recently purchased shield was test fired from the factory on 7/18/2013. The lower trigger seems to be appropriately "sprung" as it returns smartly to normal position after dry firing, even if I release it very gently. There is most assuredly a spring in there and it appears to be working.
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Big difference between "Safety Alert" and "Recall".

Of course using the word "RECALL", even though the word has not been uttered by S&W, is a lot more exciting, now isn't it?

How else are you going to get everyone's panties in a bunch?!
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How else are you going to get everyone's panties in a bunch?!
Saying the word "magazine" or "my sights must be off, my shield is shooting left" come to mind.
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Just got off the phone again this morning with S&W customer service. He didn't know anything new. Just that the engineers were looking at the issue deciding if they should issue a safety notice or a recall. He told me the information started with a distributer notifying them. He thought the information was supposed to go on the web site yesterday but should be up by today or tomorrow, other wise nothing new.
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I've got a HPMxxx test fired on 6/21/13. There's supposed to be S&W factory reps at M&P Demo days tomorrow/Sat at Shoot Straight so I think I will stop by for a chat. If nothing else prizes, giveaways and mags available. Free extra mag with M&P purchase and it will be interesting to see if they are selling the pile of shields they have for the event.
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I've got a HPMxxx test fired on 6/21/13. There's supposed to be S&W factory reps at M&P Demo days tomorrow/Sat at Shoot Straight so I think I will stop by for a chat. If nothing else prizes, giveaways and mags available. Free extra mag with M&P purchase and it will be interesting to see if they are selling the pile of shields they have for the event.
I was thinking the same on stopping in on their other event in WPB. It will be interesting to hear a sales reps perspective on the shields and magazine supplies instead of CS rep.

Keep us posted of your findings, I'll do the same.
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I also received a call from my local gun store this morning telling me that the Shield 9mm that I had on layaway has to be shipped back to Smith and Wesson for a recall. He asked me if I still wanted it and I told him that i did, as I have been looking for one for a while and got a good deal on it ($399). He said that he didn't have any details and didn't know how long it would take. I am glad to hear that others have received this news in the last few days, as it sounded fishy to me. I will post back when the gun comes back in.
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They'll have to pry my Shield from my cold, dead...........
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Academy in Lawton, OK just told me that they are on a sales "hold" for S&W Shields.
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It seems that we're getting conflicting information from the customer service reps. I just spoke with one and explained that the lower trigger on my new Shield (HPP95xx, test fired 7-24-13) will not reset unless I push it forward. He immediately told me that he will send me a shipping label to return it to them.
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Just spoke w sw rep. He said this affects models dated before 8/19. Said you could either send to sw or find an armorer listed on their website to check your firearm for the warning. This warning has to do with the drop safety function on the firearm.

I purchased a shield yesterday at cabelas and was supposed to pick it up on Saturday. They said they'd refund the money since I hadn't picked it up yet, otherwise you're on your own in terms of dealing w sw.
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to be clear....you're saying SW said it affects "ALL" Shields produced BEFORE 8-19....or did they qualify it by saying to the effect of "all Shields produced between Jan 1 2013 and 8-19-2013?
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S&W must know that the public is looking for something official from them in regard to this issue. Why in the F don't they put something up? Or, is it because they don't even know how many guns may be involved? In any case the cat is out of the bag and we need OFFICIAL answers.
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The mfg. date on my Shield 9 is: 2111, which means it was made on the 111th day of 2012. It has the trigger safety spring in place and works as it's supposed to.
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Sorry, should've asked, but honestly was focused on mine which was produced in July. The rep just said models before 8/19. I'm sure they'll detail that once they make the official announcement.
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Just got off the phone with S&W.
I was told "If there are any issues or problems it will be posted on the website" I asked, so you have no information about any issues with the shields at this time? His response " No sir and if there are any issues we will post them to our website"
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This just sounds too fishy still to me. I've put a number of rounds through my Shield that was made more recently, with no fail. Buddy of mine has as well. Most popular CCW gun getting recalled for an "issue" just doesn't sound right, unless it comes from S&W themselves, like someone said above; You're going to have to pry this baby out of my hands.
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I was told that this is a drop safety issue, not the lower trigger spring issue people have brought up.
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Dang it, recall on Shield and XDS at the same time. Well now im curious. If u send an XDS into S&W as a recall for a Shield. Do u think they will send a Shield back.

Those springy guys could only hope that were the case.
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Returned to Cabelas today to have my name put on a waiting list for when the Shields again become available. The person at the counter told me that the issues concerned the trigger safety, and that the "recall" only pertained to product shipped to Cabelas owing to "S&W trying to get guns out to us too fast for quality control to check." I don't think this clerk knew a damn thing, to be honest, and was just trying to sound informed. Apparently, for the time being everyone will have to settle for sounding informed because S&W hasn't yet made it possible to actually BE informed.
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My local SW got the same alert from S&W from their (SW) main office so it is not Cabelas specific. SW is suppose to return any Shields in stock to the warehouse pending further direction from S&W.
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and that the "recall" only pertained to product shipped to Cabelas
Wow. Nothing says, "Buy one from my competitor" better than that. I bet the manager would cringe hearing that.
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Makes be glad that I got one of the 1st that were produced.

Absolutely no trigger issues with mine.
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Makes be glad that I got one of the 1st that were produced.

Absolutely no trigger issues with mine.
Same here x2. Mine and her Shield .40 are both flawless and still shooting both .40 converted to 9mm.

All is well on this end.
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Here it is folks....straight from the S&W site... Product Safety Information web page

M&P Shield Safety Alert - Smith & Wesson


PRODUCT:
- ALL M&P Shield™ firearms manufactured before August 19, 2013


DESCRIPTION OF THE HAZARD:
- Smith & Wesson has identified a condition where the trigger bar pin could damage the lower trigger in certain M&P Shields in a way that may affect the functionality of the drop safety feature of the firearm, potentially allowing the pistol to discharge if it is dropped.

Any unintended discharge of a firearm has the potential to cause injury, and we ask that you STOP USING YOUR PISTOL IMMEDIATELY UNTIL IT HAS BEEN INSPECTED AND, IF THE CONDITION IS FOUND, REPAIRED.

DESCRIPTION OF THE PRODUCT INVOLVED

- This Safety Alert applies to all M&P Shield pistols manufactured before August 19, 2013. We believe this condition is largely limited to recently manufactured M&P Shield pistols. However, out of an abundance of caution, we are asking all consumers of all M&P Shields manufactured before August 19, 2013 to immediately inspect their pistols for this condition.


INSPECTING YOUR PISTOL: Photos are shown on the web page...
Your firearm must be inspected to determine whether it exhibits the condition identified in this notice. To determine whether your firearm is affected by this condition, please inspect your firearm as follows:

1. Follow the procedures in your Safety & Instruction Manual to ENSURE THE FIREARM IS UNLOADED; ENSURE THAT THE MUZZLE IS POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION; THE SLIDE IS LOCKED BACK; AND THE MANUAL SAFETY IS ENGAGED.

2. Hold your pistol sideways with the muzzle pointed to the left. Look at the trigger. Note that the trigger is actually two pieces, with a pin in the middle that connects the two halves (Figure 1).
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3. Look at Figure 2. Without touching the trigger, identify the plastic tab circled in red in Figure 2.
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4. Slowly pull the trigger. The plastic tab encircled in Figure 2 should disappear into the upper trigger section (Figure 3).
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5. Slowly release the trigger. The tab should reappear as shown in Figure 2 completely on its own.

6. Repeat steps 4 and 5 several times. If the small tab as shown in Figure 2 reappears each time, your pistol does not require repair.

7. If the small tab does not consistently reappear as shown in Figure 2, YOUR PISTOL MUST BE RETURNED FOR SERVICE.

If you are uncomfortable conducting the inspection outlined above, or are unsure whether the condition described in this notice applies to your firearm, please take your firearm to your local M&P Certified Armorer or send your firearm to Smith & Wesson for inspection. M&P Armorers can be found on the Smith & Wesson website under Find a Dealer.

If after inspection it is determined that the condition outlined in this safety alert exists, the firearm must be sent to Smith & Wesson for repair.

- REMEDY/ACTION TO BE TAKEN:
STOP USING YOUR FIREARM UNTIL IT HAS BEEN INSPECTED AND, IF THE CONDITION IS FOUND, REPAIRED.

Your firearm must be inspected to determine whether it exhibits the condition identified in this notice. To determine whether your firearm is affected by this condition, please inspect your firearm by following the inspection instructions above.

If your firearm is affected by the condition outlined in this notice, please send your pistol to Smith & Wesson. Your firearm will be inspected, and if necessary, repaired at no cost to you. Your firearm will be returned within 5 to 7 business days. All shipping and repair costs will be covered by Smith & Wesson.

Outside the United States, click here for a list of Authorized Warranty Centers that will repair your pistol.

CONSUMER CONTACT:

- Please contact Smith & Wesson directly at 877-899-6259 to arrange for the repair, if necessary, of your pistol.


........end of bulletin......

This should answer a few questions...for now.

It looks like something most of us can inspect and determine if it needs to go back ourselves.


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And GLOCK 19 sales skyrocket! Used models for $600 with high capacity clips!

Totally, totally joking.

I am very curious to see if this proves to be anything. A few people have told me they have been able to find 9mm Shields in stock at LGS, so I've thought seriously about picking one up. Will monitor and proceed accordingly.
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And GLOCK 19 sales skyrocket! Used models for $600 with high capacity clips!

Totally, totally joking.

I am very curious to see if this proves to be anything. A few people have told me they have been able to find 9mm Shields in stock at LGS, so I've thought seriously about picking one up. Will monitor and proceed accordingly.
And if I had my own editorial column in a gun rag I'd title an article: "Shield owners disgruntled about recall switch to Glock 19s, now mad about brass to the face/eyeball, Glock refuses to admit problem with extractors in an attempt to cheapen the gun (I mean cut costs"...
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Seems like an easy and straight forward way to determine if your Shield needs to be serviced or not

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The wife's and my 9mm Shields are OK. HAWxxxx and HBBxxxx

I hope this doesn't turn out to be a major fiasco for S&W.
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I don't really get how the trigger participates in the drop safety function, can someone explain this? I thought the hinged trigger just prevented the trigger from being pulled and had assumed the "drop safety" was something more than that....? looking at the video, seems the worst that would happen if you had this issue would be that you would have a trigger that functioned as one solid piece, so what?
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They also released a video showing how to check your gun.

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Mine is good too.
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I don't really get how the trigger participates in the drop safety function, can someone explain this? I thought the hinged trigger just prevented the trigger from being pulled and had assumed the "drop safety" was something more than that....? looking at the video, seems the worst that would happen if you had this issue would be that you would have a trigger that functioned as one solid piece, so what?
You'd have to drop it on its trigger. The firing pin block needs to be depressed by the trigger bar and that only can happen if the trigger is pulled back.
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There have been some threads on peoples Shields losing the spring for the trigger safety. I remember reading, that they used a Bic lighter spring? I cant seem to locate the thread
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You'd have to drop it on its trigger. The firing pin block needs to be depressed by the trigger bar and that only can happen if the trigger is pulled back.

That's what I figured, I guess that's just not what I think of when I think of a "drop safety." I've always considered trigger safeties like this dumb anyway. The only thing this changes is that if it's working properly and dropped on the bottom half of the trigger, the "safety" disengages and it fires, and now if it is working incorrectly the same thing happens except that now it will also fire if dropped on the top centimeter or so of trigger. big deal.
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If a member of my family or myself are standing near you should you drop your firearm it is a big deal.

The safeties are designed on these units for a reason and not just to satisfy the lawyers.

Please inspect your Shield per the direction or have performed by a competent gunsmith or factory.

To do less is just plain irresponsible.
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I think the alert for all shields prior to 8/19 is a CYA thing by S&W. If this was a wide spread problem it would of been brought up by someone a long time ago on this forum alone.

Mine with a build date of 6/24 checks out fine!

Let us know if anyone here finds that they have an issue. If I was a betting man I'd estimate the odds are <1% of us have an issue.
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Thank you for the update.
Mine's good. Made-date in mid-June of this year.
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That's what I figured, I guess that's just not what I think of when I think of a "drop safety." I've always considered trigger safeties like this dumb anyway. The only thing this changes is that if it's working properly and dropped on the bottom half of the trigger, the "safety" disengages and it fires, and now if it is working incorrectly the same thing happens except that now it will also fire if dropped on the top centimeter or so of trigger. big deal.
You don't understand and that's not how it works. It's the act of a hard impact that has enough inertia to cause the trigger bar to move....like you pulled the trigger (to put it simplistically). If the lower half of the trigger is not working correctly...that little tab you see behind the trigger will not be extended...if its not extended, it will not "catch" on the frame to stop the trigger bar movement when the weapon is dropped. Nothing has to touch the trigger. Understand now?
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You don't understand and that's not how it works. It's the act of a hard impact that has enough inertia to cause the trigger bar to move....like you pulled the trigger (to put it simplistically). If the lower half of the trigger is not working correctly...that little tab you see behind the trigger will not be extended...if its not extended, it will not "catch" on the frame to stop the trigger bar movement when the weapon is dropped. Nothing has to touch the trigger. Understand now?
I understand fine... you don't.... ask yourself a question, which takes more force, disengaging the trigger safety or actually getting the trigger to break? when you apply pressure to the trigger, which one of those two things happens first? in other words, if a drop were to occur that gave the trigger enough inertia to break, it would also be more than enough inertia to disengage the safety. It just doesn't matter. I would argue it would be nearly impossible to create this situation either way. You could throw your gun as hard as you want and have it land just perfectly so and there just isn't enough mass to the trigger for it to overcome the trigger pull with just inertia. it's a non issue. The only situation the trigger safety feature protects against is if something like a drawstring gets caught in the trigger guard and attempts to pull the trigger while also being up against the frame.

bottom line. any situation short of direct physical pressure above the hinge that would cause the trigger to break will also cause the safety to disengage.
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to clarify, I agree that the drop safety involves the gun not firing unless the trigger is moved regardless of what force causes it to move, I disagree that the hinged trigger has any role in preventing the trigger from moved with the exception of the drawstring issue mentioned above. In that case, saying that the hinge has anything to do with whether or not the pistol will fire when dropped just isn't accurate. Kahr's have drop safeties that work much the same as the M&P and the trigger itself is one piece with nothing fancy about it.

You are nuts if you think S&W doesn't know this. If this issue had any actual impact on safety, taking this soft safety notice approach instead of a hard recall would open them up to far more liability than just keeping their mouth shut would have.

And for those who don't believe me and who have steam shooting out of their ears over my irresponsibility, I checked as soon as I saw the notice, everything is working just fine
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That's what I figured, I guess that's just not what I think of when I think of a "drop safety." I've always considered trigger safeties like this dumb anyway. The only thing this changes is that if it's working properly and dropped on the bottom half of the trigger, the "safety" disengages and it fires, and now if it is working incorrectly the same thing happens except that now it will also fire if dropped on the top centimeter or so of trigger. big deal.
The safety trigger prevents inertia. If the weapon was dropped at a high velocity upon impact the sudden and abrupt deceleration could cause a transfer of forward energy into the trigger and if the angle of the impact was aligned just right a trigger not locked could move sufficient to discharge the weapon.

Inertia does not require that the trigger comes in contact when dropped.

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I haven't bought new guns in years. Always quality used guns.

I bought two Shields this year. One has 20 rounds through it and the white dot is now missing from the front sight. Now they're telling me my guns could be unsafe.

Previous to all this, I bought a 686 brand new form S&W as a dealer at the time. The barrel was bent and it wouldn't shoot straight.

Fortunately, I recently bought a 3913 and a 3953 DAO. Those should get me by, while these "new" and improved models get repaired...
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My Shield 9 has a test fire date of May 2013, no problems here!
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