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Old 08-22-2013, 08:48 PM
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Mine was made June 2013 and good to go. I mentioned in posts before that I was able to go through some before I found a trigger that didn't feel like total ****. Guess it paid off and/or I got lucky. Hate to have to break my record of never having had to send a gun back to S&W for repair.

Word of warning people if you don't know already... If you have installed aftermarket parts on your gun like Apex they WILL BE GONE when you get the gun back from S&W service. Put your old parts back in before sending in any gun. About the only exception would be sights and maybe a barrel (would not risk that either)
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the hinged trigger is designed to stop the inertia of the trigger bar.
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"Smith & Wesson has identified a condition where the trigger bar pin could damage the lower trigger..."

I've recently put the Apex kit in both our Shields. So I'm familiar with the mechanics of the trigger and how it attaches to the trigger bar. And I am assuming the trigger bar pin is what drives out the slave pin that comes with the kits.

For the life of me I cannot see how the trigger bar pin can possibly damage the lower trigger. Ever.

And both ours are fine. But the fact that I cannot understand how one can affect the other, thus cannot see if this issue is 'developing', is bugging me. Am I missing something?
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Old 08-22-2013, 08:59 PM
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You'd have to drop it on its trigger. The firing pin block needs to be depressed by the trigger bar and that only can happen if the trigger is pulled back.
Not so. The little trigger safety is designed to prevent inertia firing if the pistol is dropped on its rear, just the same as the firing pin safety is designed to prevent inertia firing if the pistol is dropped on the muzzle. Remember, if the trigger goes to the rear by ANY means, the firing pin safety is deactivated.

See post #3 in this thread:

Is the trigger really a safety?

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Old 08-22-2013, 09:14 PM
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My 1/24/13 build checked out ok

I do notice as one other poster mentioned that the pin on the left side sticks out like less than a millimeter more than on the right. Truth be told if he didn't mention it I probably would not have even noticed at all


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Old 08-22-2013, 09:31 PM
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OMG, if it's not working like it should, send it in!

Sometimes people make it seem like a 1lb trigger with a fully cocked hammer/striker with no safeties is fine as long as nothing get's in the trigger guard. That's not the case with the Shield, but if something is not functioning the way it should, get it fixed for free! Who knows, maybe they'll throw in a magazine or something also.

Those tabs on any poly pistol are drop safeties that prevent the trigger from going reward if it falls on it's back, period.
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Old 08-22-2013, 09:34 PM
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Mine: Serial # HBN6XXX: Manufactured 5/6/2013. Trigger functions as it should.
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Old 08-22-2013, 09:40 PM
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Just checked mine, made March 2013. Seemed to work fine as designed, but I'm thinking this thread might make a good sticky.
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Old 08-22-2013, 09:43 PM
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I'M a little late to the party.... My shield is good to go....BUT here's a youtube video by S&W on the subject..if not already posted..

M&P SHIELD Safety Alert and Inspection Prodedure - YouTube
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They also released a video showing how to check your gun.

M&P SHIELD Safety Alert and Inspection Prodedure - YouTube
sorry just saw your posting. Must be time for my nap....
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Old 08-22-2013, 09:48 PM
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No thanks, ours work perfect.

Plus its a drop safety feature. At least u know it'll still fire, even if it did suffer from this. lol

Of course if u have a tendency to drop ur weapon all the time. I would highly advise u send it back and have it fixed.

And once again, its a SAFETY ALERT not a RECALL. So there is a HUGE difference between these 2. Chances are less of these are affected than the mag drop issue was.

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Old 08-22-2013, 09:56 PM
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Based on this video by S&W: M&P Shield Safety Alert - Smith & Wesson me and my 9mm Shield are good to go!
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Title is misleading, it needs to be changed to "Shield Safety Alert".
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:22 PM
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Mine has a fire date of 1/29/13. No issues here.
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Based on this video by S&W: M&P Shield Safety Alert - Smith & Wesson me and my 9mm Shield are good to go!
Ditto here. My Shield .40 checked out just fine.
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Mine checked out to work properly. Whew!
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:47 PM
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Smith & Wesson M&P Shield Recall Notice & Procedure To Check Your Gun (HD) - YouTube
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:57 PM
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Not so. The little trigger safety is designed to prevent inertia firing if the pistol is dropped on its rear, just the same as the firing pin safety is designed to prevent inertia firing if the pistol is dropped on the muzzle. Remember, if the trigger goes to the rear by ANY means, the firing pin safety is deactivated.

See post #3 in this thread:

Is the trigger really a safety?
interesting post, but I still don't buy it. The mass of the trigger bar and trigger and any other part involved that would in theory keep moving towards the rear once the pistol frame and slide stopped upon impact with the ground is so small that it would require a force many many times that of gravity to overcome the resistance that we know of as trigger pull weight. Given a 5 pound trigger pull and assuming the total mass of the trigger bar and moving parts is 100 grams, it would take an instantaneous force roughly 22 times that of gravity to offset the trigger pull weight. The trigger and trigger bar don't weight that much, this still ignores that the same force would actually be acting on all other internal parts and would likely increase trigger pull (think large force applied perpendicular to direction of travel of striker block making it more difficult to move it out of the way), and the applied force wouldn't be instantaneous but would be spread out over the time it takes for the trigger and bar to travel (think catching an egg vs. letting it hit your stationary hand. the egg has the same inertia but the force applied to it and the results are not the same). The time factor alone would increase the actual force needed beyond the 22g's by a great deal. It's too far fetched, the physics just don't back it up that this is even possible.
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Bought mine June 2012, it is good to go!!!
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June 2013 here. 40. Good.
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Holy cow, there has been a recall on the Shields! If you haven't seen this yet, you'll probably want to. It makes me sad that S&W can't figure out how to make a working pocket pistol. I think they should just stick to revolvers lol.

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Old 08-23-2013, 12:54 AM
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it's not a recall. it's instructions on how to check your shield to see if it has a problem. lee
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:01 AM
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I was in a LGS today when the owner received the recall notice from her distributor. She said it was a labeled a "recall notice." The notice said to stop selling Shields immediately.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:12 AM
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I don't really get how the trigger participates in the drop safety function, can someone explain this?
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interesting post, but I still don't buy it. The mass of the trigger bar and trigger and any other part involved that would in theory keep moving towards the rear once the pistol frame and slide stopped upon impact with the ground is so small that it would require a force many many times that of gravity to overcome the resistance that we know of as trigger pull weight.
First, the likelihood of an M&P firing by being dropped is small. However, it doesn't defy the laws of physics.

Since you mentioned physics first, you already know that F=ma. We know the mass of a Shield; 538.7g. So, it doesn't take a genius to see that it will hit with many times that because it will be moving. The question is, how fast? That will obviously vary with the drop height and angle.

None of that matters. What shawn posted isn't what will happen, but what the engineers believe can happen. I'm sure that S&W design engineers know plenty about physics and the forces involved. Otherwise they wouldn't have made the trigger the way they did.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:26 AM
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A friend forwarded this link to me. M&P Shield Safety Alert - Smith & Wesson

My early 2013 Shield doesn't seem to be affected.

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the weight of the pistol is irrelevant, both because the acceleration due to gravity doesn't change based on weight and because in the theoretical scenario the pistol has stopped moving and the trigger has kept going. The mass of the trigger components is what matters because this figures into calculating the force that it can generate to cause it to keep moving against the now stationary pistol. I never said it defied the laws of physics. I used the laws of physics and known values to show what it would take for it to actually happen. Those aren't conditions we're ever going to see. It has been a fun thought exercise tonight, though.
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Bought two in April of 2012, one is GTG yet the other is not. Strange because they are consecutively numbered. Called S&W, gave them all information asked for and was told to call back next Monday, guess we will see what is up then.
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M&P Shield Safety Alert - Smith & Wesson

Easy way to verify if your shield needs to be repaired. I guess
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Old 08-23-2013, 07:29 AM
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Old 08-23-2013, 07:31 AM
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go to this link to get instructions on how to inspect your shield. Its quick and easy to do. Video is included and is from S&W website. Mine is good.

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Bought two in April of 2012, one is GTG yet the other is not. Strange because they are consecutively numbered. Called S&W, gave them all information asked for and was told to call back next Monday, guess we will see what is up then.
Wow mine was made 3/16/13 and is good to go.
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Using plastic, or polymer if you prefer, for grips/frames is one thing. in a trigger mechanism? Dear S&W was the $ savings worth it? how much is the recall costing in $ and reputation?
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Mine will be going back to the shop. HPM3XXX Produced 6/20/30. The pin does not show up at all. Full size M&P 9 works perfectly.
Called S & W, they told me to take to my closest authorized dealer.
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Mine will be going back to the shop. HPM3XXX Produced 6/20/30. The pin does not show up at all. Full size M&P 9 works perfectly.
Called S & W, they told me to take to my closest authorized dealer.
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Checked mine and it works properly, so I am a bit more happy today.
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Here is a direct link to a video on checking the correct operation of your MP Shield.

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Mine will be going back to the shop. HPM3XXX Produced 6/20/30. The pin does not show up at all. Full size M&P 9 works perfectly.
Called S & W, they told me to take to my closest authorized dealer.
You're the first person besides me that I've been able to find online who has the trigger issue. My pin does not show up either. I even tried to pop it out with a pocketknife this morning but it wouldn't budge. I thought it was weird when I bought it and the trigger was so different from my full size.

I figured maybe they just made the trigger look jointed when it really wasnt, kinda like they made the gun look like you could change the mag release and backstraps but you really can't.

I just bought this thing last Saturday, havent even fired a round thru it yet. I was told the same thing, take it to the nearest S&W armorer, they'd either fix it at the store or send it back for service. SN HPTXXXX Test fired 7/22/2013.
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Thanks for the link. Mine's good. The inspection is rather easy to do, and includes a video. I like this part:

"If you are uncomfortable conducting the inspection outlined above, or are unsure whether the condition described in this notice applies to your firearm, please take your firearm to your local M&P Certified Armorer or send your firearm to Smith & Wesson for inspection."

I would think that if someone is uncomfortable with the inspection, they should not be carrying a Shield.
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Holy cow, there has been a recall on the Shields! If you haven't seen this yet, you'll probably want to. It makes me sad that S&W can't figure out how to make a working pocket pistol. I think they should just stick to revolvers lol.

M&P Shield Safety Alert - Smith & Wesson
Its not a Recall. Its a Safety Alert. Can u not read?

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Does anyone know if this is a black and white issue at purchase, or can it show up at a later date? I'm picking mine up on two weeks (did I mention Maryland sucks?). LGS checked for me and said it doesn't have the issue.

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Anybody really know what the issue is? Did they forget a spring?
Does the spring break?
Is there interference and the hinged part binds?

What is the real issue?

I have one Shield on me and it works like it should. The others are out and about today, I'll check them tonight.

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Does anyone know if this is a black and white issue at purchase, or can it show up at a later date? I'm picking mine up on two weeks (did I mention Maryland sucks?). LGS checked for me and said it doesn't have the issue.

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Its something that will affect very few Shields. Probably even less Shields than were affected by the mag drop issue. Evidently it wouldnt show up at a later date. If that were the case there would be a complete recall. The above is just a safety alert advising all Shield owners to check that theirs is working properly. If its working, ur fine. If its not working, send it back and have it fixed. When u go to pick urs up, make sure u do a check on it as S&W describes in the above link. If it checks out, u should be good to go without issue.

Its pretty plain and simple.
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My Shield 9 test fired March 26 2013 seems fine. I didn't see this video posted in earlier posts, but this is from S&W on Youtube....


M&P SHIELD Safety Alert and Inspection Prodedure - YouTube

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You'd have to drop it on its trigger. The firing pin block needs to be depressed by the trigger bar and that only can happen if the trigger is pulled back.
Thank god you don't design and build pistols.
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Please do two things:

(1) spell Shield correctly

(2) take the word "recall" out of the title.

Thank you.
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Bought in June of 2013. Checked and it's good to go.
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