M&P Trigger Satisfaction

[S&W-Admirer]

I have a M&P .40 FS born the first week in December 2012. The trigger is just a little heavier than my Glocks. The reset is a little quieter and maybe a little longer than my Glocks. No noticeable grittiness in the trigger pull. I have run about 350 .40 and 9mm rounds through it.

I have read lots of topics about people being dissatisfied with their M&P triggers but am satisfied with mine. Am I lucky and have one of the improved triggers or do the APEX parts make the triggers that much better?

[Brucenterry]

I had 9mm FS and it was nowhere near my Glocks. Gritty and harder pull weight. I put the APEX DCAEK kit in and it brought very close to a Glock but there's still a slight difference. It is a nice kit though and would recommend it it you're not satisfied w/ what you have. I like the new addition.

[bybotie]

You must be very lucky. My new .40cal had the worst factory trigger I have ever pulled. I put a APEX DCAEK in it ASAP.

[jeffhughes]

Originally Posted by S&W-Admirer

I have a M&P .40 FS born the first week in December 2012. The trigger is just a little heavier than my Glocks. The reset is a little quieter and maybe a little longer than my Glocks. No noticeable grittiness in the trigger pull. I have run about 350 .40 and 9mm rounds through it.

I have read lots of topics about people being dissatisfied with their M&P triggers but am satisfied with mine. Am I lucky and have one of the improved triggers or do the APEX parts make the triggers that much better?

I think you are part of the un vocal majority.

Apex parts are great, but so is a 2000 round trigger job...

[Bkreutz]

I didn't like mine when I first got it (9c), but 3000 rounds later (or so, I don't count) it's just fine. I wouldn't want any lighter of a trigger for CC

[mkbruce]

40 FS got an APEX DCAEK before it was ever fired with live ammo - the factory trigger was a gritty mess.....

40c got one trip to the range before it got a DCAEK.....

If you are at all unhappy about the feel of your trigger, don't hesitate on putting in some APEX parts - they make a huge difference.

[HikerDan]

I just bought a 9FS that was made in April. To me, the trigger isn't gritty, and has a pretty clean break - I would like a bit less travel, but I'm sure I'll get used to it. Just need to shoot it more.

[Hunter5]

Bought my MP 40 FS about a month ago, trigger seemed to be fine, no gritty feeling for the most part. Decided to put the Apex Poly trigger just due to the safety issues of the stock hinged trigger. Now the pre-travel is much less and reset is very quick. Glad I did this upgrade, don't feel the need to do anymore, happy with how it is performing.

[1fly2ty]

Each individual has to decide what is an acceptable trigger and how it impacts your ability to hit what your shooting at! This level of acceptability has criteria that I measure by, is the person capable of explaining his experience in the field of shooting, does he know the difference beteen a poor trigger, good trigger or great trigger! There are some new shooters that say my M&P trigger is acceptable but by what standard did they measure their trigger against to make that determination. do they shoot competitively or do they have other pistols with just similar triggers. If you have never fired lets say a 1911 Colt Gold cup which comes from the factory with great trigger or an off the shelf Glock or M&P"s there is a world of difference. Have you ever fired a pistol that feels like a 3 lb trigger but when you put a pull gauge on it is actually 5 lbs. When a trigger is set up correctly so that it yields a 3lb break but is actually 5 lbs it allows you to shoot exceptionally well even if your a new shooter, I know that there are a lot of people on here that will say never on a carry gun, but they are people that have a different level of experience or, are just scared to death that their firearm will discharge accidentally. They are also some of the people that don't continually practice so they can acheive a better comfort level for themselve's. To me any trigger that is greater than about 5.5 lbs is probably not going to allow you to shoot your pistol as accurately as it is capable of shooting.
Why is it when some guys buy a new car they gotta put different tires or a new computer chip or dual exhausts, its making a good car into a better car or faster or better handling! Doing a trrigger job or installing apex parts into a stock pistol is no different! To answer the Op's question the Apex DCAEK kit is the difference between driving a Volkswagon Bettle or a Ferrari! To those that have a pistol with a great trigger no explanation is necessary, to those that have never fired a pistol with a great trigger no expanation is possible!

[Duster340]

Have had my M&P 40 FS since January and have never felt the trigger was a problem. Smooth pull, nice let off etc. I'm only 1/2 way towards completing the "jeffhughes 2000 round trigger job" but it does seem to get even smoother as I put more rounds through it. Being a no-safety HD & CC piece, I have no plans on going to a lighter trigger pull. Just my personal preference.

Be well all

[S&W45Colt]

Let me say, I'm not trying to start an argument, but this issue, is no issue. Forgive me for being opinionated here, take it for what it's worth.

I see it as a mainly generational thing. There are certain guns, SD's, Hi-Points etc among them, that have inherently terrible triggers. However, IMO, most of the issue is young shooters who have never shot revolvers or learned to master trigger control. When you can take a 12 lb revolver trigger and shoot it well, the 1/8" difference in trigger pull or not hearing the reset is meaningless. Glock triggers are not an industry standard, nor do they set the standard. If you want the best trigger, buy a 1911.

If you can't shoot an M&P out of the box, the issue is not the gun, it's a lack of shooting fundamentals. As in, my shield shoots low and to the left, it must be the gun. If I had a dollar for every "bad shooting gun" I've seen someone else shooting the center of the target with, I'd be rich.

JMO

[1fly2ty]

Duster,
Just some food for thought, 1000 rds @ 18.00 per 50 rds =360.00
2000 rds =$720.00 Pretty expensive trigger job!!! Even if you load it yourself its still an expensive trigger job, although its also a lot shooting enjoyment.

[shawn mccarver]

The number of non-shooter tinkerers who will spend lots of money for a "trigger job" before actually shooting to find out if the trigger is manageable is outrageous. I agree that many of today's shooters have no clue as to what constitutes proper trigger management or how to obtain it. I agree with the poster above who said that the best trigger job is a "2,000 round trigger job." There is no substitute for practice and throwing in some lighter springs and messing with factory parts is just an all around bad idea. In addition, many of the people who do this are shooting "minute of B27 at 5 yards." If you cannot hold an honest to God 4 inch group at 25 yards with a double action revolver in double action mode (and that is not really all that good of a group), then you should not mess with your trigger until you learn to shoot.

Another thing I find just hilarious is how much money is wasted on some after-market sight because some shooter thinks a new set of sights will help him make his "minute of B27 at 5 yards" magically become "minute of B27 at 7 yards."

And both the spring replacer and the sight replacer ends up on this or other Forums wondering how to put the pistol back together again, or how to repair the damage caused by the "improvement" when the kitchen table gunsmith screwed up his own gun trying to improve it.

Folks, the answer is practice. Thousands of rounds of practice. Per year. If you shoot less than 1,000 rounds a month, spend money on ammo. Shoot at least the same amount of ammo through your pistol as a new cop would fire at a police academy, which is close to 5,000 rounds these days before you try to improve it. You will be a better shot and your gun will smooth up nicely. And you will know where it is shooting. There is no magic answer to becoming a good shot except to practice. And, you will realize the general absurdity of replacing perfectly good factory parts and springs with after-market parts and springs.

[D Rock]

Originally Posted by S&W45Colt

Let me say, I'm not trying to start an argument, but this issue, is no issue. Forgive me for being opinionated here, take it for what it's worth.

I see it as a mainly generational thing. There are certain guns, SD's, Hi-Points etc among them, that have inherently terrible triggers. However, IMO, most of the issue is young shooters who have never shot revolvers or learned to master trigger control. When you can take a 12 lb revolver trigger and shoot it well, the 1/8" difference in trigger pull or not hearing the reset is meaningless. Glock triggers are not an industry standard, nor do they set the standard. If you want the best trigger, buy a 1911.

If you can't shoot an M&P out of the box, the issue is not the gun, it's a lack of shooting fundamentals. As in, my shield shoots low and to the left, it must be the gun. If I had a dollar for every "bad shooting gun" I've seen someone else shooting the center of the target with, I'd be rich.

JMO

I came from revolver shooting myself, S&W45Colt. As a matter of fact my first auto pistol (bought January 2009) was my M&P 9c.

Like S&W-Admirer, I had no problems with the trigger and still like it very much after over 13K flawless rounds. I did have to get used to the lighter trigger pull.

A friend at the same range bought a full size M&P 9mm and believe it or not his trigger had all the grit that everyone talks about so there was something to this then and there probably is now.

There were no kits that we knew of then so we took out the striker block and polished it. No grit after that.

The point is that even an old revolver shooter like me could feel what was right about my M&P trigger and what was wrong about his. I think you're right that some new shooters get caught up in parts replacement but sometimes there's a reason.

Dave

[shawn mccarver]

Originally Posted by 1fly2ty

Duster,
Just some food for thought, 1000 rds @ 18.00 per 50 rds =360.00
2000 rds =$720.00 Pretty expensive trigger job!!! Even if you load it yourself its still an expensive trigger job, although its also a lot shooting enjoyment.

Just because you have a gun with a lighter trigger does not make you a good shot. Installation of APEX or any other parts does NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING to teach anyone the fundamentals of good shooting.

This is almost like saying if you put a steering wheel cover and a Hurst Shifter and a set of Recaro seats in your car you will be Mario Andretti (or what's her name who runs over her own pit crew and has a wreck every couple of races).

[S&W45Colt]

Originally Posted by D Rock

I came from revolver shooting myself, S&W45Colt. As a matter of fact my first auto pistol (bought January 2009) was my M&P 9c.

Like S&W-Admirer, I had no problems with the trigger and still like it very much after over 13K flawless rounds. I did have to get used to the lighter trigger pull.

A friend at the same range bought a full size M&P 9mm and believe it or not his trigger had all the grit that everyone talks about so there was something to this then and there probably is now.

There were no kits that we knew of then so we took out the striker block and polished it. No grit after that.

The point is that even an old revolver shooter like me could feel what was right about my M&P trigger and what was wrong about his. I think you're right that some new shooters get caught up in parts replacement but sometimes there's a reason.

Dave

Good point, I'm not going to argue you can't get a bad gun on occasion. I sent a 686 back with a trigger that was close to a two finger one. My point, is the "trigger issue" is over thought/discussed and it's not limited to just the M&P. You hear all of the time on other guns and a lot of the time it's an inexperienced shooter.

I did generalize, so I'll agree sometimes the issues are real.

[3hounds]

Some people don't have the time or money to shoot thousands of rounds to get a better trigger.
Also a spring kit or even different sights can make you a better shooter faster and cheaper.

Imagine a new shooter goes and buys a pistol with a terrible trigger.

He goes out shoots 100 or so rounds can't hit jack.

Most will give up on shooting because of this.

But if he has a trigger kit or better sights put on he most likely will stay with it because he will usually shoot better.

People want a quick fix now a days.

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[Duster340]

Originally Posted by 1fly2ty

Duster,
Just some food for thought, 1000 rds @ 18.00 per 50 rds =360.00
2000 rds =$720.00 Pretty expensive trigger job!!! Even if you load it yourself its still an expensive trigger job, although its also a lot shooting enjoyment.

LOL! True, but I am quite happy with the factory trigger on my M&P. I hit what I aim at and it groups quite nicely at the ranges I shoot at. As with any quality gun, the M&P will shoot better than most of us can hold.

[S&W45Colt]

Originally Posted by 3hounds

Some people don't have the time or money to shoot thousands of rounds to get a better trigger.
Also a spring kit or even different sights can make you a better shooter faster and cheaper.

Imagine a new shooter goes and buys a pistol with a terrible trigger.

He goes out shoots 100 or so rounds can't hit jack.

Most will give up on shooting because of this.

But if he has a trigger kit or better sights put on he most likely will stay with it because he will usually shoot better.

People want a quick fix now a days.

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No, it does not make you a "better shooter." It compensates for a lack of skill. That's not the same thing. There is no quick fix for acquiring a skill, that's why it's a skill, it takes practice.

Put your "better shooter" up against a clock, much less a SD situation and watch them fail from a lack of practice.

[S&WProtected]

I have installed the apex Daek on my Shield 9 and my FS 45. I shot 1000 rds through the shield before the change and at seven yds I could shoot groups with most holes touching or one ragged hole but I was about 2" to the left. I have pretty large hands and the shield is a little small for me and with the stock trigger that was probably close to 7 pounds I just kept pushing left by about 2". The gun was plenty accurate for SD but I like to hit where I aim, after installing the kit I have 5.5lbs of pull and hit dead center. I have several other guns that are stock and no problems shooting them. I have shot a Colt Gold Cup national match and it does have a great trigger so does my Sig 1911. As for shooting revolvers DA I do this as well, this is the only way I practice with them b/c I think this would be the most likely way to use one for SD. At 25 yds I can shoot 6-8" groups free standing but I don't practice enough at that distance to do much better.
I guess my point is even if you shoot many thousands of rounds per year like I do Sometimes a little modification can be helpful. Remember these are mass produced and don't all come out on spec.

[3hounds]

Originally Posted by S&W45Colt

No, it does not make you a "better shooter." It compensates for a lack of skill. That's not the same thing. There is no quick fix for acquiring a skill, that's why it's a skill, it takes practice.

Put your "better shooter" up against a clock, much less a SD situation and watch them fail from a lack of practice.

Apparently you did not read my post or understand it.

I said nothing about skill.

You act like I said you would be dead eye dick if you put a spring kit in.

Of course you have to practice but not as much vs a terrible gritty trigger.

Did you modify any of your firearms ?

Maybe use a scope on a rifle instead of open sights.


You said it yourself it compensates for the lack of skill.

Your telling me a new shooter that has a 10 lb. trigger pull will be a better shooter faster than if he had a 5lb. trigger pull ?

I see your point I really do about practice.


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[S&W45Colt]

Originally Posted by 3hounds

Apparently you did not read my post or understand it.

I said nothing about skill.

You act like I said you would be dead eye dick if you put a spring kit in.

Of course you have to practice but not as much vs a terrible gritty trigger.

Did you modify any of your firearms ?

Maybe use a scope on a rifle instead of open sights.


You said it yourself it compensates for the lack of skill.

Your telling me a new shooter that has a 10 lb. trigger pull will be a better shooter faster than if he had a 5lb. trigger pull ?

I see your point I really do about practice.


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No, I got it. My point was it's about more than just fixing one gun, but you said you get what I was saying. No need in my soap boxing anymore. Have a good evening Sir.

[Dr.um]

Count me as another who calls himself satisfied with a recent M&P factory trigger. My Shield 9 was made at the beginning of June and its trigger is exactly as I'd hoped and nowhere near as bad as I'd feared.

I only have one other M&P with which to compare this new one, a 45 FS, with Apex parts installed by a previous owner. The trigger on that 45 is marvelous. Stageable and quite crisp with short take up and quick reset. If anything, it is a bit too light a pull for a carry gun w now safety, IMHO. As a long time 1911 guy, I am well acquainted with good triggers.

This Shield, on the other hand has a bit more take up to a very stageable and much harder but still quite crisp break. If the 45 is pulling 5lbs or less, the shield is probably over 7lbs pull wise, but it is clean and crisp and I would be confident to carry this with a round in the pipe, safety off, even in a pocket.

Can't wait to try it at the range.

Thanks S&W for making such a nice product.

[Nutshell]

In my opinion, the factory trigger is lacking at best. I shouldn't have to pay $500.00 for a gun, then put $100.00 plus in APEX parts to get a decent trigger. I'm an S&W guy all the way, I love the feel of all my M&P's but the trigger needs an improvement.

[D Rock]

Originally Posted by Nutshell

In my opinion, the factory trigger is lacking at best. I shouldn't have to pay $500.00 for a gun, then put $100.00 plus in APEX parts to get a decent trigger. I'm an S&W guy all the way, I love the feel of all my M&P's but the trigger needs an improvement.

I know what you mean. Showing my age here but as I said, when I was younger all I carried was revolvers but most of my friends carried 1911s.

Back then when you spent several hundred dollars for your 1911 it was considered a "starter package". Then you put several hundred rounds thru it to see what work needed to be done, then sent it off to the gunsmith to have problems corrected. You also often had to decide if you wanted a reliability package or a competition package. You usually couldn't have both. All things considered, I think we're pretty lucky today.

Dave

[gnystrom]

Trigger job or not, it was nice to see that gun broken down and put back together. I did put a Apex Hard Sear in awhile back and today ten minutes with some sandpaper on the trigger bar bearing points made the trigger glass smooth.

Thank you for the great videos.

[1fly2ty]

You don't have to put an Apex kit in a M&P to have a great trigger, you can do a burwell trigger job and have a trigger that is totally comparable too an Apex kit. I to started out on revolvers, and we had a drill where we kept squeezing the trigger repeatadly but not allowing the trigger to fully cycle, this taught you at the exact point the trigger would make a complete cycle. Now back to the M&P, If you took 2 new shooters and put them side by side one with an M&P with a tuned up trigger and the other with a standard factory trigger that is gritty and and a 7.5 or greater trigger pull, I will guarantee you the with some basic marksmanship principles taught to both, the guy with the tuned trigger will come out ahead every single time, because onece he has sight alignment and trigger control down he will disturb his sights less trying to get the trigger to break.
To the gent that said you shouldn't have to spend $100.00 for another trigger after spending $500.00 for the gun is correct, and like I said in an earlier post it is personal preference you could just do a light polish and have a much better trigger!
The person that said practice, practice ,practice is spot on, I am fortunate because most time I shoot at least 3 days a week some can't due to cost and now lack of ammo. There is no substitute for an intimate relationship with operation of your firearm of choice, if you ever get into a situation where you must react under less than ideal circumstances. Remember the mind is like a parachute it works best when it's open!

[JaredStephen]

This might be a stupid question, and if it is forgive me, what does the grittiness come from? I noticed my trigger is gritty, I figured I just need to put more rounds through it. I don't have the money for ammo as much as I like, or the time to spend at the range either.

To the person that sanded their sear, what part exactly did you sand?

I'm actually happy with the weight of the trigger pull. It is lighter than my LC-9 which I guess makes sense since the LC-9 is a CCW and you don't want it to accidentally discharge which would make sense. The M&P is a shorter trigger as well, which I did find interesting.

[D Rock]

The gritty feeling comes from the striker block going up and down in the channel in the slide. Not only can the striker block and the hole it fits into be rough, but often the block moves at an angle in the hole, causing a gritty or binding feel to the trigger.

Dave

[gnystrom]

Originally Posted by 1fly2ty

To the gent that said you shouldn't have to spend $100.00 for another trigger after spending $500.00 for the gun is correct,

I cant' argue and I really find it interesting that when buying a new $2000 Freedom Arms revolver, for only $125 more you can get it with a factory trigger job.

[cmm5350]

I stopped reading about half way down and I am just going to throw my .2 cents in. I did a trigger job on my M&P9 FS for the simple reason that when something is broken I need to fix it. The stock hinged trigger on the m&P is garbage and whoever thought up the design should be fired. Now let me say I probably put close to 10k rounds through this gun before I went to do my upgrades and also have shoot many many many guns in the past. I am a young kid so I am going to fall into you experienced folks stereotype (24 and shooting strong). I shoot a lot of USPSA and IDPA and I needed something that I felt my more to my ability in comfort and performance. The poly trigger feels better then the hinged trigger and the new springs creates faster trigger pulls for those double taps. There are reasons why these parts are made and anyone who thinks that anything that comes out of any gun manufacture is perfect needs to open their eyes. I now have the gun I wish it was from the factory. It now does the job it was supposed to do that no amount of practice was going to fix. This gun now shoots the way I FEEL that it needs to. Which is exactly what it comes down to, how I FEEL. I went from a gun that I liked and practice with exclusively to a gun that I now love. I don't have the money to go out and buy another gun that might have fit my needs better, or something that I think was more suitable to my competitions, however I was willing to spend a little time and money to take this gun there. For those of you who think the M&P just has something missing I implore you to get the poly trigger at the very least.

[Nutshell]

Originally Posted by cmm5350

I stopped reading about half way down and I am just going to throw my .2 cents in. I did a trigger job on my M&P9 FS for the simple reason that when something is broken I need to fix it. The stock hinged trigger on the m&P is garbage and whoever thought up the design should be fired. Now let me say I probably put close to 10k rounds through this gun before I went to do my upgrades and also have shoot many many many guns in the past. I am a young kid so I am going to fall into you experienced folks stereotype (24 and shooting strong). I shoot a lot of USPSA and IDPA and I needed something that I felt my more to my ability in comfort and performance. The poly trigger feels better then the hinged trigger and the new springs creates faster trigger pulls for those double taps. There are reasons why these parts are made and anyone who thinks that anything that comes out of any gun manufacture is perfect needs to open their eyes. I now have the gun I wish it was from the factory. It now does the job it was supposed to do that no amount of practice was going to fix. This gun now shoots the way I FEEL that it needs to. Which is exactly what it comes down to, how I FEEL. I went from a gun that I liked and practice with exclusively to a gun that I now love. I don't have the money to go out and buy another gun that might have fit my needs better, or something that I think was more suitable to my competitions, however I was willing to spend a little time and money to take this gun there. For those of you who think the M&P just has something missing I implore you to get the poly trigger at the very least.

You are wise beyond your years! Great observations. Couldn't agree more. I just did the APEX kit and poly trigger. Had it at the range today and put 300 flawless rounds through it. Now that is how it should have come from the factory.

[Sansho]

^^ +1. I have a FS45 built in Feb this year ... the entire feel of the trigger was vague. I could have spent a bunch to better "learn" the trigger, but it just wasn't enjoyable to shoot (and I have shot a few rounds over the years, so not exactly new to it).

Installing the poly FSS Apex trigger kit is perfect. Predictable firing each time. As mentioned above, it now fits what I need in my M&P. Of course it shoots way better than I do, however, I have a more balanced platform to close that gap.

[Nutshell]

Originally Posted by Sansho

Predictable firing each time. As mentioned above, it now fits what I need in my M&P. Of course it shoots way better than I do, however, I have a more balanced platform to close that gap.

Exactly! How do you like the FSS? Do you carry with it? I have the DCAEK and love it. I've never shot the FSS. How does it compare to a Glock trigger?

[OneJzsupra]

I have a core with all the Apex gear and i'll say after some messing around I've noticed a few things.

I noticed that the trigger pull while free of grit and very easy I noticed what appeared to be a very very slight notch in the trigger. It really didn't bother me, but I was bored and it was fathers day and the kids had where taking a nap.

So what I ended up doing was polishing a few parts to include the following:

Apex Sear
Feed ramp
Trigger Bar
Apex USB
The part of the striker that gets pulled back
Ejector
and I ended up uses some flitz on one part that i'll go into more detail.

So after the polish everything was now nice and slick to create less friction. So what I've seen is that the notch I could feel in the trigger is actual due to the trigger bar. The trigger bar when pulled back with a slight load very slightly contacts the side of the slide stop. It seems that when it contacts it'll cause the trigger bar to pivot inward a little causing the slight notch I felt. So after a polish of the trigger bar and some flitz on the inside of the right slide stop I can hardly feel it if at al.

I used my dermal with mothers metal polish.

[Llando88]

This whole trigger thing is confusing.

Is the Apex basically a kit of parts you install?

Or can you build up the changes in stages, with just one part first? Or is it an all or nothing thing?

[Danno_man]

Originally Posted by Llando88

This whole trigger thing is confusing.

Is the Apex basically a kit of parts you install?

Or can you build up the changes in stages, with just one part first? Or is it an all or nothing thing?

Yes and yes.

You can start with just the sear, then add the USB, then springs, then RAM, then the AEK trigger.

Sent from my ADR6425LVW using Tapatalk 2

[OneJzsupra]

Originally Posted by Danno_man

Yes and yes.

You can start with just the sear, then add the USB, then springs, then RAM, then the AEK trigger.

Sent from my ADR6425LVW using Tapatalk 2

Exactly,
they have a list of parts you can decide to buy and install which parts you'd like.

[Sansho]

How do you like the FSS? Do you carry with it? I have the DCAEK and love it. I've never shot the FSS. How does it compare to a Glock trigger?

I really like the FSS. Haven't shot with only DCAEK or a Glock, so can't comment on those. The Poly FSS kit comes with two trigger springs, which is helpful to tune the trigger pull weight.

[K.macocker]

Originally Posted by Nutshell

In my opinion, the factory trigger is lacking at best. I shouldn't have to pay $500.00 for a gun, then put $100.00 plus in APEX parts to get a decent trigger. I'm an S&W guy all the way, I love the feel of all my M&P's but the trigger needs an improvement.

Agreed 100%!!
Better polished/cut parts and slight structure differences and a trigger job would not be necessary at all!
Mine is fine (.40 feb 2013 fs) but I've dry fired several at stores that were awful gritty!!! Remove Just the grit and the trigger is fine. S&W could easily make that adjustment!

[S&W-Admirer]

After starting this thread and reading comments, I pulled the trigger on my .40 FS a few times and noticed the grittiness that everyone was writing about. I can feel it now but it isn't too bothersome. The rest of the trigger stroke is fine for what it is. The pull seems to be about 6.0-6.5 lbs and crisp. Not as nice as my stock Glocks but not bad.

Going head to head to compete with Glocks, I can't believe S&W hasn't done more to address the trigger. Seems like it would be one more area where they could beat Glock with just a small amount of effort and expense.

[1fly2ty]

I think we would all like it if S&W would deal with some of these smaller issues, however I guess that they build these guns to hit a price point and the little extra effort that it would take isn't in the $$$$ of this co. I mean lets look at something as simple as how many times on this site have you seen the white dot on my front or rear sight fell out! Simply put its only bothersome to us the comsumer, to them its a minor inconveience to send someone a new sight. The term customer loyalty comes to mind but corporate america today has no intention of being loyal to us as consumers, just build them and ship them as fast as possible to maximize profits! When ever I buy a pistol I always have the expectation that I am going to have to dial it into the way I want it to be.

[waynemrobinson]

I have owned S&W pistols since 1972 and also just purchased a FS 9 and after a month, fired about 400 rounds, was disgusted with the trigger and ejection issue.

It really is a shame that this proud American Company seems to have lost it's respect for the American Customer.

My Glock 26 is far superior.

[tectrry]

Since this thread/issue has gotten a lot of posts, let me add my own question. First, I have 2k-3k rounds through my FS9 and only about 200-300 through my new 40c. It is the only trigger that I have ever known as I have only been shooting for about 6 months now. So just for kicks I purchased the new poly trigger from APEX to feel for myself what a different trigger is like, and it will be delivered tomorrow. Will just swapping out the triggers make much difference or will I need to do the whole APEX kit as well? I was thinking of putting it on the 40C since it is newer but if I like it might get another one for the FS9 as well. Any thoughts?

[harleygsb]

I have a slightly older 9mm FS and a recently purchased 40C. I probably have 500 rounds through the 40C. While the 40C trigger stock is better than the 9mm stock, I did the DCAEK on the 9mm many months ago.

The grittiness is smoothing out in the 40C trigger, but is still not as smooth or as uniform a pull as the upgraded 9mm trigger. I gave up and ordered the DCAEK for the 40C today.

It truly amazes me that S&W cannot make the trigger like the DCAEK job out of the box. It should not cost any more. What are they thinking?

[Llando88]

Originally Posted by tectrry

Since this thread/issue has gotten a lot of posts, let me add my own question. First, I have 2k-3k rounds through my FS9 and only about 200-300 through my new 40c. It is the only trigger that I have ever known as I have only been shooting for about 6 months now. So just for kicks I purchased the new poly trigger from APEX to feel for myself what a different trigger is like, and it will be delivered tomorrow. Will just swapping out the triggers make much difference or will I need to do the whole APEX kit as well? I was thinking of putting it on the 40C since it is newer but if I like it might get another one for the FS9 as well. Any thoughts?

Update on the trigger?

[Dr.um]

Originally Posted by waynemrobinson

I have owned S&W pistols since 1972 and also just purchased a FS 9 and after a month, fired about 400 rounds, was disgusted with the trigger and ejection issue.

It really is a shame that this proud American Company seems to have lost it's respect for the American Customer.

My Glock 26 is far superior.

So one gun was able to undo 40 years of your brand loyalty AND was enough to convince you that S&W has no respect for the rest of us?

Wow. Enjoy your Glock and your opinion.

[waynemrobinson]

Originally Posted by Dr.um

So one gun was able to undo 40 years of your brand loyalty AND was enough to convince you that S&W has no respect for the rest of us?

Wow. Enjoy your Glock and your opinion.

Owning a handgun is a tremendous responsibility and any gun owner who accepts and fires a weapon that is not perfect, is endangering him/herself and others around at a range.

The pistol was shipped by the manuf. in less than perfect shape and it should have been noticed in quality control. No excuse.

And yes, I do enjoy my Glock as well as other S&W pistols I own.

[Flavorman]

I'm with you. My M&P9FS trigger is about perfect in my eyes. I've got an H&K P30 9mm and the trigger pull is forever and the reset is even longer. The M&P was a huger improvement. I felt a little grittiness when I dry fired it in the gin store but after just 50 or 100 rounds it was gone. I wouldn't change the trigger at all.

[tectrry]

Originally Posted by Llando88

Update on the trigger?

Well, since you asked...I have put about 300-400 round through it with the new APEX Poly trigger (no other changes). I like the feel alot. It made the trigger a little heavier but very smooth. after a few more weeks I'll decide if I should do anything esle (like the sear or springs).