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Default What ammo do most Law Enforcement agencies use?

Curious on this one. Not sure if its knowledge allowed to the public or not, but what .40 or 9mm rounds do they use? I would guess they don't all use the exact same ones.

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We used Speer Gold Dots.
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Once upon a time Federal Nyclads, which still are great rounds. Now days, it's Federal HST's or Winchester Ranger depending on the gun/caliber.
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Once upon a time Federal Nyclads, which still are great rounds. Now days, it's Federal HST's or Winchester Ranger depending on the gun/caliber.
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LA County Sheriff's and LAPD both use 147gr 9mm. I know LASD uses the Winchester Ranger-T in both 9mm and .45 (230gr) and while last I heard LAPD was using Federal HST 230gr .45, they were still using Winchester Ranger-T 147gr 9mm. I wouldn't be surprised if they are using HST now for the 9mm but I don't know.

LASD also issues Speer Gold Dot 55gr .223 and approves Speer Gold Dot 135gr +P for .38 backups/off-duty.
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The criminals don't worry the cops only use Glocks, its a joke Ok
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From what I've read it was Gold Dots for a long time and HSTs are increasing.
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Speer Gold Dots are one of the most popular LEO ammo

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40 cal 165 or 180 gr. Ranger in a Glock 22. I killed two bucks with the 180 grain stuff. Now retired I carry 165 gr. Hornady ZombieMax in my S&W M&P 40.
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My agency used the 180 gr. Winchester Ranger. The other local agency used 180 gr. Federal HST. I have no doubt either would get the job done.
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We used Winchester-Ranger for duty and Blazer
Or American Eagle for qualifying.
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Not sure if its knowledge allowed to the public or not, . . . .
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I have to say I am shocked that you would question whether the "public" has a right to know what ammo is used by various civilian police agencies. Have we really come so far in our culture of "us" and "them" that police or non-LE taxpayers would think such information to be "classified?" It is not like we are talking nuclear launch codes here.

The answer is that the types of ammo used varies as much as the types of fire arms used. It also varies by whether officers are required to purchase their own or whether the agency buys it for the officers.

The ammo used by the larger agencies is generally known, but changes from time to time, so information that is generally out may not still be accurate, so I will give you what I last saw reported for a few agencies, at least to the best of my recollection.

St. Louis Metropolitan Police uses a 147 grain 9mm JHP made by Winchester.

FBI uses a white box packaged PDX1 load marked on the boxes as merely a bonded hollow point made by Winchester, .40 S&W caliber, 180 grain.

NYPD uses the Speer Gold Dot 124 grain JHP +P in 9mm. To the extent they still allow revolvers, their ammo is the Speer Gold Dot Short barrel 38 Special ammo.

Secret Service uses .357 SIG JHP ammo, but not sure of manufacturer.

I cannot really recall other agencies right now.
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We can use speer gold dot in 180gr. Otherwise Federal HydraShock in 165 or 180gr.

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I would have to say based in my observations and experience that the two most popular are the Speer Gold Dot and the Winchester Ranger Bonded in whatever caliber flavor the agency/department authorizes. Remington Golden Saber and Federal Hydra Shok and HST are also still in use. I don't know if its an equal split. In 40 caliber, I mostly see bullets of the 180 grain variety, while 45s still tend to be the proven 230 grain. As 9mm is resurging in popularity, I can't say what is most common. My folks mandate the 147 grain, either Ranger Bonded or Hydra Shok for carrying 9s, and the Winchester 147 is reputed to be much better than the Hydra Shok. The 124 grain bullets seem to be gaining in popularity. The Winchester Ranger 127 grain +P+ has been around for a while, but I'm not hearing anyone complain about its lack of effectiveness; just like the old Federal 115 grain +P+ BPLE.
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We are issued Remington Golden Saber in 180 grain for our Sig 229R 40 S&W pistols. One officer who still carries a Glock 21 gets the same round in the 240 grain flavor.

Our issued rifle ammunition is the 55 grain Federal Tactical Rifle Urban round.

I was issued 124 grain +P for my off-duty pistol (9mm Glock 26). Allowed to carry any high-quality round in an off-duty pistol that is "substantially the same" as the ammo we are issued.

I actually really like the Golden Saber and can't complain about it being issued.
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You can find some info on the ATK LE website:
Law Enforcement - Federal Premium LE, Speer LE, BLACKHAWK!, Eagle - Home

They make both the Speer and Federal. IIRC there are some .pdf's on agency tests somewhere on the website. HTH
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Golden Sabres are pretty decent too. Same with the Ranger ammo.
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Golden Sabres are pretty decent too. Same with the Ranger ammo.
I have some mostly Golden Saber, Gold Dots and Federal with a sprinkling of Hornady loaded in my handguns/rifles.

I guess I can say that my shotgun have four drag-stabilized beanbags in the tube and another one on the stock, but I don't think the OP was asking about my less-lethal 870.
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It has been my experience that most police agencies use bullets. Some also use electricity.


In all seriousness, the answer is simple. They use whatever is the cheapest combined with whatever current mythology says is the best "one shot stop" along with what can fit the most in the magazine.
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I moved my little dept to 165gr HST from Fed Hydra 165gr last year. Fed got lucky with the HST. They were searching for a less labor intensive (the pistil of the Hydra) bullet. HST is NOT bonded yet pretty much acts like a bonded bullet.

The above statement is directly from the Fed rep.

One thing to consider, some of the ammo offered to LE/LE agencies has special blends of powder to decrease flash. I buy it in our 5.56 rounds as we have a few short barreled entry carbines where the flash could be significant and momentarily blind the operator.

One of my favorite 5.56 rounds is Hornady TAP. Huge difference between the LE and civilian version. Bullet is different design as well as a different powder. They won't sell the bullet for reloading either. Damn them!!

BTW the HST is HST no difference in what is sold to LE or Civ.
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We carry Ranger-T's (230 gr) in our 45s and we are switching to 124 (?) gr Ranger-T's in our off duty nines. Right now in the 9s we are carrying 115 +P+.
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