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Wolfman-Iraq 08-29-2013 01:33 PM

California Bullet Button
 
Just can across this thing called "California Bullet Button".

This video shows what it is (required on semi-autos in, you guessed it, CALIFORNIA) and a tool to work around it.


What kind of idiots come up with ideas like this. Our government lives in a whole different world than the rest of us.

Sorry for you shooters in CA. I used to live there, but moved next door (AZ)...

DocSunShine 08-29-2013 01:49 PM

Apparently CA has 2 new anti-gun bills, one would make "bullet button" AR's required to be registered as AW or you will become a felon... Great state!

Thump-boom 08-29-2013 09:42 PM

I refer to it as Commiefornia

rwsmith 08-29-2013 10:02 PM

I was looking at some stats...
 
In a nutshell, California has one of the lowest percentage of guns by population, but the highest gun murder rates.

Rastoff 08-30-2013 12:56 AM

Yeah, the law here says that an "assault" rifle is illegal. It then goes on to define what an assault rifle is. To be an assault rifle it must have a removable magazine and one of several other features.

This is an assault rifle according to CA law:
http://www.ebsarms.com/images/gun-im...5-manu-pic.png

But, this is not:
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...llgunsmall.jpg

Can you tell me what the difference is? Yep, the one on the bottom has a fixed magazine. Because you have to use a "tool" to remove the magazine, it is considered fixed.


Just out of curiosity, what does this have to do with M&P pistols?

Wolfman-Iraq 08-30-2013 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rastoff (Post 137409013)
Yeah, the law here says that an "assault" rifle is illegal. It then goes on to define what an assault rifle is. To be an assault rifle it must have a removable magazine and one of several other features.

This is an assault rifle according to CA law:
http://www.ebsarms.com/images/gun-im...5-manu-pic.png

But, this is not:
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...llgunsmall.jpg

Can you tell me what the difference is? Yep, the one on the bottom has a fixed magazine. Because you have to use a "tool" to remove the magazine, it is considered fixed.


Just out of curiosity, what does this have to do with M&P pistols?

Sorry about this, I meant to post on the M&P15-22 section...Interesting subject anyways..

Nakanokalronin 08-30-2013 02:02 AM

The bullet button looks like nothing compared to what was just recently adopted in the state. California is definitely not a place to be if you like freedom.

Hillbilly77 08-30-2013 02:42 AM

All of my magazines are "fixed", even on my non-"assault rifle", non-threatening Savage Model 64 .22LR plinker rifle. My magazines all become not-fixed when I release them by pushing on a button, on all of my semi-auto firearms.

So, in CA, a removable magazine is not "removable" anymore because you need a tool to push on a release button to remove the non-removable magazine? Isn't it still removable?! :confused: :confused:

I'm trying to understand the logic here.
Thanks a lot, California. Now my head hurts.

SMMAssociates 08-30-2013 03:13 AM

Hillbilly:

If memory serves, the "button" deal is such that a magazine that requires a tool of some sort to remove it. Bullet tip, perhaps. There's no formal "magazine release" button or lever on the gun.

Just IMHO, but it sounds like people who had no idea how the guns worked made the laws. Too many of those, really....

Regards,

CA Escapee 09-01-2013 06:30 PM

Here's how the law reads:

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon"
shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity
to accept any ammunition feeding device that can be removed
readily from the firearm with neither disassembly of the
firearm action nor use of a tool being required. A bullet
or ammunition cartridge is considered a tool."

Clear as mud, right? All the manufacturer of the bullet button did was comply with the law. The legislators wrote the law and the manufacturer didn't cross the line. Now, the legislators want to change the law.

You can read more here:
Non detachable magazines - Calguns Foundation Wiki

Bill

Thump-boom 09-01-2013 09:19 PM

You can't logically evaluate what Calif does because nothing they do with gun regs makes any sense. The state is now controlled by rabid liberals who don't have any common sense. Move To Az like I did

Kurac 09-01-2013 09:37 PM

CA banned an extensive list of semi-auto rifles starting in 2010, the bullet was designed as a way to exploit the stupidity of the law thus allowing residents to enjoy semi auto rifles like the rest of the country; though only 10 rounds at a time. Someone else came up with the UBT "Ultimate Bullet Button Tool" so now you can have the tool to drop a magazine via the bullet bottom mounted on each magazine. I guess that was too much fun or dangerous so now they want to ban future bullet button sales and require current owners to register them as assault rifles.

ynot333 09-01-2013 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwsmith (Post 137408713)
In a nutshell, California has one of the lowest percentage of guns by population, but the highest gun murder rates.

Where did you find that out at???? I think your hearing or reason wrong info.

ynot333 09-01-2013 11:22 PM

They are basically trying to prevent you from switch magazines quickly. Them putting bullet buttons on them makes them feel better. That's why also we have only 10 rounds max here.

Kurac 09-01-2013 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ynot333 (Post 137413841)
They are basically trying to prevent you from switch magazines quickly. Them putting bullet buttons on them makes them feel better. That's why also we have only 10 rounds max here.

There is no "they" or "them" its us, the shooters or I guess a shooter that invented the bullet button so we could legally us AR's and other rifles in CA. Its a work around/compromise similar to the "offlist" rifles. Back when the "assault weapon ban" was passed, they had to name each specific rifle in the law, since then there are dozens of new names that can be found on AR lower receivers and as long as they are not on the banned list, you can put one together put a bullet button on it and you are good to go.

walkin' trails 09-02-2013 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thump-boom (Post 137413627)
You can't logically evaluate what Calif does because nothing they do with gun regs makes any sense. The state is now controlled by rabid liberals who don't have any common sense

I was in Southern CA visiting relatives recently. Although I didn't have much chance to dwell into the local politics (or visit any gun stores), one of my in-laws in the trucking industry (owner-operator - construction related) commented he was going to be looking for a new career during the next couple of years because that's how long he had before the state's environmental regulations forced him out of business faster than the lousy economy. Seems that diesel powered tractors cause horrible pollution and must have filters installed on their exhaust. The cheapest he's found was something like $12K, and that's more than his tractor is currently worth. I know this is way further off the M&P subject....

ynot333 09-03-2013 12:25 AM

I got one on my ar

SoCalDep 09-03-2013 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walkin' trails (Post 137414898)
I was in Southern CA visiting relatives recently. Although I didn't have much chance to dwell into the local politics (or visit any gun stores), one of my in-laws in the trucking industry (owner-operator - construction related) commented he was going to be looking for a new career during the next couple of years because that's how long he had before the state's environmental regulations forced him out of business faster than the lousy economy. Seems that diesel powered tractors cause horrible pollution and must have filters installed on their exhaust. The cheapest he's found was something like $12K, and that's more than his tractor is currently worth. I know this is way further off the M&P subject....

Yep..CARB...The California Air Resources Board... They are doing their best to destroy this state. Businesses are leaving due to the tax situation, liability issues, CARB, horrible business climate, and retarded laws such as the many gun laws in place. Of course, the democratic controlled state legislature created districting boundaries that guarantee their power, and as such have managed to create a super-majority to pass their one-sided super-liberal agenda.

What most people don't realize is that most of CA, from a geographical perspective, is very conservative. My county has shall-issue CCW and the Sheriff was one of those who joined earlier this year to oppose additional federal gun regulations. We are held hostage by the corrupt liberal government that wants to make the whole state run like LA and SF.

Rastoff 09-03-2013 12:55 AM

Do you live in Kern?

JustAnotherGunGuy 09-03-2013 01:28 AM

I moved to Norther California, Tahoe area, a few years ago. I had to outfit my rifles with the "bullet button" while I was there. Removed it as soon as I got back to my home in Missouri.
I see that CARB was mentioned, so I will tell a quick tale. I was mowing the grass at the rental while in California and a neighbor drove by and introduced himself. While he was there he noticed my gas can and started flipping out about it not meeting CARB standards and I could be fined if anyone other than him might have seen it. After almost dieing laughing I realized that he was serious. He advised me to take disassemble the gas can and only use it while out of state, TRUE story! Got on the Internet and found out he was right! They say that the gas cans have to meet LOW emissions standards.
I brought it up at my weekly VFW meeting and was told by a LEO member that the fine was......... Get this....... Cough, cough......$750:eek: but if it was him he normally just gives warning for the first time!:eek:

SoCalDep 09-03-2013 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rastoff (Post 137416157)
Do you live in Kern?

Yup...But I'm a ways from you.

Capt_Destro 09-03-2013 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGunGuy (Post 137416182)
I moved to Norther California, Tahoe area, a few years ago. I had to outfit my rifles with the "bullet button" while I was there. Removed it as soon as I got back to my home in Missouri.
I see that CARB was mentioned, so I will tell a quick tale. I was mowing the grass at the rental while in California and a neighbor drove by and introduced himself. While he was there he noticed my gas can and started flipping out about it not meeting CARB standards and I could be fined if anyone other than him might have seen it. After almost dieing laughing I realized that he was serious. He advised me to take disassemble the gas can and only use it while out of state, TRUE story! Got on the Internet and found out he was right! They say that the gas cans have to meet LOW emissions standards.
I brought it up at my weekly VFW meeting and was told by a LEO member that the fine was......... Get this....... Cough, cough......$750:eek: but if it was him he normally just gives warning for the first time!:eek:

I was wondering why the heck my lawn mower said "Not for sale in California"

Rastoff 09-03-2013 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalDep (Post 137416200)
Yup...But I'm a ways from you.

Yeah, Kern's a big place. Always nice to meet another sensible person in CA.

I'm not a fan of running away from a problem. I'd rather dig in my heels and fix it. Unfortunately, I believe the laws in CA are getting out of hand and there are too few of us willing to get out and do something about it. There comes a time when you've got your finger plugging the hole in the dike and you look up to realize that the water is flowing over the top.

It's a real shame. California has some of the most beautiful countryside anywhere in the world. Alas, the "do gooders" are idiots and don't realize how they're destroying what they want to preserve.

SoCalDep 09-03-2013 10:46 PM

Yep... I totally agree. The dam is getting ready to brake. When I saw the most recent set of proposed legislation my wife and I immediately started looking for places to work out of state, but with my wife's medical issues and the massive pay cut just about anywhere else in the country, we're stuck until retirement in a minimum of about twelve years.

Hopefully I can be part of a solution in that time...Otherwise I'm gone.

bikendan 09-05-2013 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rastoff (Post 137416927)
Yeah, Kern's a big place. Always nice to meet another sensible person in CA.

I'm not a fan of running away from a problem. I'd rather dig in my heels and fix it. Unfortunately, I believe the laws in CA are getting out of hand and there are too few of us willing to get out and do something about it. There comes a time when you've got your finger plugging the hole in the dike and you look up to realize that the water is flowing over the top.

It's a real shame. California has some of the most beautiful countryside anywhere in the world. Alas, the "do gooders" are idiots and don't realize how they're destroying what they want to preserve.

couldn't agree more and what you've said, i've said almost the exact thing many times.
as a native Californian born in the early 50's, it is not the state i grew up in. it still is a unbelievably beautiful place with a staggering amount of variety. where else can you surf in the morning and snowboard in the afternoon?

but i'm retiring next year and moving to Washington. they have some of the same issues about liberal gov't but not to the degree of California. and the gun laws are way more logical and normal.

UncaGrunny 09-06-2013 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thump-boom (Post 137413627)
You can't logically evaluate what Calif does because nothing they do with gun regs makes any sense. The state is now controlled by rabid liberals who don't have any common sense.

In actuality, the confusing, twisted, illogical gun regs here in the PRK make perfect sense - - once you factor in that the actual goals of the people writing them are not the goals they openly state (public safety, etc).

Viewed from the perspectives of 1) neutering the ability of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves, and instead forcing them to become dependent upon the State for "protection" from criminals, and 2) lowering the risk of an outraged citizen being able to inflict any harm on agents of the State, while 3) threading the needle of avoiding being overturned in federal court or voted out of office by exceeding Constitutional limits, every single one of their arcane legal formulations advances these goals.

It's a combination of a classic mob-style "Protection" racket with the frog-boiling strategy of Alinskyite incremental introduction of societal changes that would not be tolerated if done all at once.

Or so it seems to me. :)


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