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Old 09-19-2013, 08:47 AM
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I'm out traveling for work and found a gun shop that stocks and installs the Apex trigger kit. They had a Shield for demo with the Apex kit and I almost went for it but the Apex trigger seems to be very light....like 1911 type of light. For a carry gun I'm not sure I want to do this mod. My Shield isn't gritty and the pull is a lot heavier than the Apex trigger. The Apex had a long buttery smooth take up...longer than stock and very very short reset which was all good.

I'm still in town and after my morning meeting I may or may not go have the Apex kit installed on my Shield...I can't decide right now.

Am I the only person who thinks the stock Shield trigger once broken in is very good and prefers a little more weight on the trigger pull for a carry gun?
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Old 09-19-2013, 08:52 AM
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To me, the pull weight is just fine for a carry pistol.
The Apex kit is nice, but not something I felt mine needed.
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I heard Apex was close on releasing the FSS trigger kit for the shield, but didn't realize it was out. I put an Apex sear in my shield and love it.
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To me, the pull weight is just fine for a carry pistol.
The Apex kit is nice, but not something I felt mine needed.
Same for me as well.

I dropped an Apex sear in my Shield for $%^ts and giggles and quickly took it out.
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Thanks guys...I'm going to pass on the Apex for my Shield.
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I heard Apex was close on releasing the FSS trigger kit for the shield, but didn't realize it was out. I put an Apex sear in my shield and love it.
I think they're developing an AEK trigger, but I'd love to see a FSS kit personally, although I haven't heard of them developing an FSS kit.
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I just did the Apex sear alone and it dropped the trigger pull to about 5-3/4#. Did I need it? No, not on a carry gun. Is it a better shooter now, yes. In retrospect? Probably not.
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I installed the Sear and USB in my Shield and love it. I use the safety on my Shield when not being fired. Combining that with the longer trigger pull I do not have any apprehension about the lighter trigger pull. If it did not have a manual safety, I did not use it, or it did not have a longish pull I probably would have left it at stock weight. As it is now, it is a great shooter and I feel very safe with it.
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I'm in the camp who sees it as an unneeded expense, the stock trigger is fine.

My full size M&P's do not have as good a trigger as my Shield, I can see the APEX on those.
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...but I'd love to see a FSS kit personally, although I haven't heard of them developing an FSS kit.
It will be out next year.
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I carry a .40 Shield, and see no problem with the trigger. I have a .40 Compact that the trigger was so gritty and notchy that I did put in an Apex kit, and I love it. But I would not put one in my Shield, not needed.
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Video of my Shield 40 with the Apex kit, an OT stop, with a 3 pounds 10-12 oz. trigger pull. The pull is just like I wanted it. No it is not a range gun, but I do practice often with it, and the trigger is perfect for me. The gun has 3/8 inch of take-up before the trigger starts pulling the sear, and yes I do use the safety while carrying, and flick the safety off as I draw. This trigger is not for a novice, or someone that won't put the time in, at the range. If you can improve a gun to allow you to shoot it more accurately, have faster recovery and follow up shots, etc., you have made the gun a better SD gun. But you have to take the time to practice often with that gun, so its use becomes second natured.





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I have the complete apex kit in my shield 40 and the trigger doesn't feel that light. You may want to talk to the shop and make sure the gun you held had the full kit. If you change just the sear and not the springs you will have 4 3.5lb pull. If you drop in a glock trigger spring it actually will drop it down to around 3.15lbs.
Now with the full apex kit including springs installed you should be around 5 5.5lbs. Which is suppose to be 1lbs less the a full stock shield. Unless you have the MA compliant shield. It's about 8 8.5lbs.
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I have the complete apex kit in my shield 40 and the trigger doesn't feel that light. You may want to talk to the shop and make sure the gun you held had the full kit. If you change just the sear and not the springs you will have 4 3.5lb pull. If you drop in a glock trigger spring it actually will drop it down to around 3.15lbs.
Now with the full apex kit including springs installed you should be around 5 5.5lbs. Which is suppose to be 1lbs less the a full stock shield. Unless you have the MA compliant shield. It's about 8 8.5lbs.
I have an MA version and put the apex kit and it's exactly 5lbs.
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The factory trigger is OK, but I am concerned about an accidental discharge.... I would prefer the NY/MA trigger for a little more breathing room. While everyone seems to want a lighter trigger, I would prefer a heavier trigger.
Just my .2 cents.........
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The factory trigger is OK, but I am concerned about an accidental discharge.... I would prefer the NY/MA trigger for a little more breathing room. While everyone seems to want a lighter trigger, I would prefer a heavier trigger.
Just my .2 cents.........
Do you carry with the external safety off? What makes you concerned about an accidental discharge? Are you concerned about it while holstering? Do you pocket carry without anything covering the trigger?

I ask because I am trying to understand. I could not feel more differently.
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I have a m&p shield in 9mm, a m&p 22, m&p 45 and just picked up a m&p 9 with an apex trigger job on it. The apex trigger job is definitely lighter than the stock trigger. I will put the apex trigger on my 45 but I don't think I will put it on my edc shield. To me there is a noticeable difference in trigger pull. The apex is much lighter and may be a little more sensitive than the stock trigger. This is something that I don't think is necessary on a carry gun.
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I have a 9c and a Shield in 9mm, I put the Apex kit in both with the thumb safety I love them. I am a 1911 guy I also have the E series SC and the Lou Dawson 3" pro series (see avatar). So I wanted a 1911 feel. Too much trigger weight pulls off my aim, I also put the AEK in the 9c. A friend of mine just put the USB in his 9c and he loves it that way the trigger weight is about the same but it smoothed it a great deal. I am much more accurate with both M&P's now which I like. I want to hit the bad guy, and only the bad guy.
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I find the trigger on my Shield adequate for carry purposes and shoot decently with it. It is certainly a lighter and crisper trigger than I found on the first M&P9s and 45s that I shot when the guns first came out.

But I have also noticed that some Shields seem to have better triggers than others.
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Do you carry with the external safety off? What makes you concerned about an accidental discharge? Are you concerned about it while holstering? Do you pocket carry without anything covering the trigger?

I ask because I am trying to understand. I could not feel more differently.
I can relate somewhat. I put the sear in my 9mm Shield and like the reduced trigger pull very much. I don't have a trigger pull gauge that will work but it was very heavy and others commented the same when they dry fired it. Worse than other Shields in the bunch.

My strong hand can handle the reduced pull just fine. In IDPA, we shoot weak hand at times and that's where the trigger finger isn't so smart. Before the sear install - no issues with weak hand firing. After sear install - pulled trigger before it is perfectly centered on bullseye (first shot only). Practice is the answer I think. I'm very confident with the pistol and attribute that to shooting it in various scenarios. Safety is used on mine
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Do you carry with the external safety off? What makes you concerned about an accidental discharge? Are you concerned about it while holstering? Do you pocket carry without anything covering the trigger?

I ask because I am trying to understand. I could not feel more differently.
I may be in the wrong here, but as far as I'm concerned, if someone is worried about having an AD, then maybe they should practice safe firearm handling a lot more before they carry a weapon. I've been carrying for 7 years now since I turned 21. Never carried a firearm with a safety in the on position, and have never had nor thought about an AD since I make sure I always handle my firearms with utmost care and respect when I know a round is in the chamber, and even when there is no round in it. It's all about safe practices and keeping your head straight when you carry. Be responsible and you'll be fine. If anyone can add to that, please, by all means.
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Im a fan of the Apex. I have the sear only, for about 4.5lb pull. Love it and have zero concerns with the weight. When the polymer trigger hits the market, I'm getting that too.
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I left the stock trigger in my Shield and just polished everything up so it was smooth.
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I put the Apex SCK in my shields and it did NOT lighten the pull...in fact, it added almost a pound on my Lyman trigger pull gauge.

The big benefit to the SCK was the fact that it made the trigger feel, well...like a trigger...smooth, clean break, not lighter.

If you leave the factory springs in the SCK will make the pull lighter...it you install the entire kit the pull will not be lighter. Just better...
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