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Sell me on the M&P9c
Hi all,
I'm debating between a Glock 26 and an M&P9c for carry. I'm currently carrying a Glock 19, it's a great gun but a little bulky. Looking for something a little smaller...
I've narrowed it down to either a Glock 26 with a +2 extension or an M&P9c. The weight is the substantially the same, length is substantially the same, the width is substantially the same and the height is substantially the same, the capacity (with the G26 extension) is the same... the only difference I could see in "carryability" would be that the back of the M&P slide is more rounded off an less likely to print (I feel that the square slide on my Glock prints more than I would like). Glock Blue Label and Bud's Police Supply prices are even the same!
I used to carry a Glock 26, it was fine for carry but I sold it to fund a suppressor...
So, what makes the M&P9c better for carrying than the Glock 26?
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rent both, shoot both and see what you like best. They're both great guns. For me, I REALLLLY tried to like the g26. At my gun shop job, I regularly handled them and tried to convince myself that I liked the ergonomics because I know what a great design they are. The 26 just never felt right to me. I've never cared for the glock trigger or the hump on the backstrap. I didn't really like the absence of noticeable reset or the grit in the m&p trigger either, but they are both easily remedied with the apex kit or doing your own burwell job.
Ultimately, I just shot them both and put up faster and smaller groups with the m&p9c...so I went with that. You're not going to go wrong with either, it just comes down to which one feels right for you as an individual.
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M&P 9c is thicker than a G19.
I am debating between a M&P 9c, G19, Ruger SR9c, or Sig P250.
Every mini-Glock I held at the range feels too small in my hand.
So I guess bulk does not bother me.
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I was debating the M&P 9C and SR9C. I couldn't get a full grip on the M&P 9c (the bottom of my palm was hanging off, even with the pinky extender). I went with the SR9c. It felt great in my hand. I have over 500 rounds through it without any problems. I'm more accurate with that gun than my Glock 19 (which I sold to acquire a F/S M&P 9). I thought the SR9c had a better trigger compared to the M&P 9c too. Really it all comes down to personal preference. Shoot both, then decide. You can't go wrong with a M&P 9c or SR9c. As for the G26, it's not much harder to conceal than a G19. With the G19 you get a full grip on the pistol and a little more barrel for accuracy. If you want something smaller and less "thick" then just stick with the M&P 9c or SR9c.
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I started with an SR9C, it was a good gun but at the time (2010) there weren't many holsters available and I didn't like that it had a slide lock instead of a slide release. Comfortable gun to shoot though!
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I have several handguns. If I could only keep one it would be my M&P 9C. Shoot one you will not need a sales job.
Dont forget you get the X-grip and you can use the 17 rnd full size mags.
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I originally had a S&W 3913, but the Chief in his wisdom decided that it was unacceptable for off-duty use. Trying to stay in the Smith family, I went to the 3913's closest (Chief approved) relative, which was the 9c, and I LOVE it. Don't get me wrong, I still miss my 3913, but the trigger (compared to the 3913's long heavy first pull (even after polishing/honing) is outstanding and only a little less desirable compared to the 3913's single action pull. The accuracy is all I could ask for (I shoot it better than my Glock 21 which I've carried for over 12 years).
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I think a more appropriate comparison would be a G19 and M&P9c or G26 and M&P9 Shield, as the G19 and M&P9c are both Compacts and the G26 and M&P9 Shield are both Sub-Compacts. and in Both cases the the M&P is smaller that it's Glock counterpart. I personally like the ergonomics of the M&P better than the Glocks, but that's subjective. My personal favorite is the FN Herstal FNS-9 Great ergonomics, fully ambidextrous, reliable and light accurate.
Size Comparison
G19 Gen 3: 7.36" long / 4.99" high / 1.18" wide (slide)
G19 Gen 4: 7.28" long / 4.99" high / 1.18" wide (slide)
M&P9c: 6.7" long / 4.3" high / 1.2" wide
XDm: 6.75" long / 4.75" high / 1.18" wide
SR9c: 6.85" long / 4.61" high / 1.27" wide (safety to safety)
FNS-9 7.25" long / 5.5" high / 1.35" wide ((17rnd. capacity) considered a fullsize)
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I think a more appropriate comparison would be a G19 and and M&P9c or G26 and M&P9 Shield, as the G19 and M&P9c are both Compacts and the G26 and M&P9 Shield are both Sub-Compacts. and in Both cases the the M&P is smaller that it's Glock counterpart. I personally like the ergonomics of the M&P better than the Glocks, but that's subjective.
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I would disagree. The M&P9c is much closer in size, weight and capacity to a Glock 26 than to a Shield. The Shield is a single stack and Glock doesn't really have a comparable model. Just because they each assign the name "Compact" to their respective product lines doesn't mean they're the same thing.
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To me, either piece you are looking at as a replacement would be an improvement in some methods of concealed carry due to the shorter overall height difference compared to the G19/G23.
Now to your point, why one over the other. The biggest differences between the S&W and Glock is the grip angle, trigger safety mechanism used, price, spare magazine availability and parts for upgrades - if you are in to that kind of thing. All these are factors that will likely make one "more right" you for over the other based on your own personal requirements.
So hold both or even better, shoot both and make your decision. In my opinion, both models are up to the task and more than capable.
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I shoot the Glock 19 a lot, the Glock 17 a little less, but I've recently been shooting the M&P9c and M&P Pro 5 inch.
I think the M&Ps have better grip shapes, the M&P9c is definitely smaller than the 19, but I seem to shoot it just as well.
I put the apex sear in my M&Ps and with that single modification they're great.
Compared to the Glocks: M&P sights are better, function and reliability just as good, the M&P grip has more adjustment, M&P magazines are more expensive, and just as many holsters are available for either gun.
For me the choice between the two comes down to sights, price, and mainly whichever fits your hand better.
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Hi all,
I'm debating between a Glock 26 and an M&P9c for carry. I'm currently carrying a Glock 19, it's a great gun but a little bulky. Looking for something a little smaller...
I've narrowed it down to either a Glock 26 with a +2 extension or an M&P9c. The weight is the substantially the same, length is substantially the same, the width is substantially the same and the height is substantially the same, the capacity (with the G26 extension) is the same... the only difference I could see in "carryability" would be that the back of the M&P slide is more rounded off an less likely to print (I feel that the square slide on my Glock prints more than I would like). Glock Blue Label and Bud's Police Supply prices are even the same!
I used to carry a Glock 26, it was fine for carry but I sold it to fund a suppressor...
So, what makes the M&P9c better for carrying than the Glock 26?
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IMO the biggest difference between these two platforms is in the grip shape. Glocks (and I own a few) have squarish "blocky" grips whereas M&P's have more rounded grips. The Glock grips tend to work best for people with large hands whereas the M&P grips tend to feel good for both small and large handed users.
The other big difference between these platforms (IMO) is the grip angle: Where the Glock grip is more 'raked back' compared to the M&P. Personal preference rules on this one.
Lot's of other 'small' differences but basically the two platforms have similar enough features to make them equal. So, it often will come down to which platform fits/feels the best to you.
good luck
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I was using a 4" Steyr for my carry gun. For those of you who don't know Steyr, think Glock.. The story goes that the guy who designed the Glock had some improvements and went to Glock with them and they were not interested, so he went down the street to Steyr and sold them the designs. Anyway, I felt like my Steyr was a little too big for CC as it hit the back of the car seat when I was driving. I also wanted something with an external safety of some type. I am too used to 1911 safeties. I limited it down to the M&P 9c and the Springfield XDs in 9mm. I went to a local range who had the 9c for rent. With them, once you rent a 9mm, you can switch it for another 9mm and end up trying anything in that caliber that you want to shoot. Everyone who I talked to had good things to say about the 9c and the XDs. I also heard tons of talk on how amazing Glocks were. So I tried the 9c and a G26. I could not shoot the XDs because of the recall. I could not hit the broad side of a barn with the rental 9c. I did well with the G26 and even better with my 4" Steyr. After shooting I was tempted by the G26, I won't lie. I mean how can you dislike something you shoot well? But I remembered I basically had the same thing already, just 1/2 and inch longer. I also reminded myself of my desire for an external safety. So I went to a gun show to either sell or trade my Steyr 40 cal. On the top of my list was the XDs since I had heard wonderful things about it. Then was the 9c even though I could not hit anything with it and the third gun was the Glock 26. I ended up trading the 40 for a 9c and truthfully I could not be happier. My gun shoots better than I do! There are lots of aftermarket accessories for it. It is just a little smaller than my 9mm Steyr (which I still have). Having the shorter grip was hard getting used to. But when I went to the range today, I did not even notice the shorter grip, so I guess I am used to it. I bought an extra full size mag with the Xgrip, just to have and it is great. Think about what you want in a gun, rent both and then do some thinking. For me the 9c is a good fit. For others Glock might be the "it" gun.
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I have both and carry both. The 26 has a shorter grip which i thought would conceal better but my hand does not fit it as well as the 9c. The 9c is a tiny bit thicker. Both of them are accurate and are easy to carry. I could not say that one is easier to conceal but the shorter grip on the g26 might make a difference to some. The triggers are different but I dont prefer one over the other. Personally i prefer to shoot the 9c and for that reason I will probably end up selling the glock to fund another gun project. They both work well as carry guns so you need to find what feels right for you. You would not go wrong with either.
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Compact is a great gun if you just want one pistol. You can carry it then at home drop the 17 rd mag in.
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I had 12 Glocks, had, since I discovered the MPs I'm slowly changing to them recently is a MP .45 full size what a difference from the G 21, 3 less round but I'm OK with that
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Back in May/June I was where you are now, I was on the hunt for a 26. Then by chance I came across a used but unfired 9C a friend offered up for sale. Once I put the small backstrap on I knew it would come home with me. No Glock fit as well in my hand, it's been stellar ever since. Been through 2 advanced classes with it and couldn't be happier. I added the Apex duty/carry kit, a front night sight, a textured backstrap and skateboard tape on the front of the frame. Nothing else I want to do with it. It works for me.
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Never shot the M&Ps, but I have seen some really positive reviews of the 9C, including better ergonomics, inherent accuracy, and overall performance than the full size M&P9, and most Glocks. I have heard you put the full size slide on the 9C, too, which is an interesting concept, similar to the chopped Glocks one sees now and again.
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I would disagree. The M&P9c is much closer in size, weight and capacity to a Glock 26 than to a Shield. The Shield is a single stack and Glock doesn't really have a comparable model. Just because they each assign the name "Compact" to their respective product lines doesn't mean they're the same thing.
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I agree with you. I have a G19 and a 9C. 9C is more comparable to G26 in size which is why I have decided not to get a G26.
I put an APEX/DCAEK in the 9C and haven't looked back. 2K+ rounds thru it since I bought in July without a single hiccup. I carry her daily. G19 will eventually make it into the rotation, shooting IDPA with it exclusively for now.
Kahr PM9 for pocket carry in summer time.
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I have heard you put the full size slide on the 9C, too, which is an interesting concept, similar to the chopped Glocks one sees now and again.
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I don't like to try and talk anyone into or out or anything. People "want what they want." If you think the Glock is too bulky, then get something "thinner" like a Shield, Ruger LC9, SIG Sauer P290RS, Beretta Nano, Walther PPS or similar.
Personally, it seems to me if you can't be happy with one of those, or with your Glock 19/26, then you are just too picky.
If you are just looking for an "excuse" to buy another gun, then I have a news flash for you: You don't need an excuse. You are free and over 21. If you want it, buy it.
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Thanks for all the replies. The other day at work I sat both the Glock 26 and the 9c side by side, did some comparisons and decided on the 9c.
Unfortunately I just spent a 9c's worth of cash on pistons for my Octane 45. Looks like I'll have to wait a couple more months....
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Thanks for the reply. You may feel differently by the time you're ready to buy. Nonetheless, let us know!
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I have both. In fact I took both out today to the range. For me the biggest differences are the angle of the grip and the length of the grip. I had the magazine with the extension on the M&P 9c and it just feels better in my hand. That is what it comes down to. What you think feels best in your hand. For a self defense handgun either one will work and there are lots of parts and holsters for either.
BTW I am trading my G26 for a FS M&P 9 when I find one. I like the 9C better and don't need 2 compacts.
I would not consider doing any trigger work on my carry gun. I want it to be stock. No excuse for lawyers to question why it was modified.
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Before you buy that 9c seriously give the 40c some consideration. This way you can later get a 9mm conversion barrel, plus .40 ammo is much easier to find and doesn't recoil that bad and gives you more knock down power. You can have two guns relatively inexpensively.
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I'm jumping in late in the game here on this conversation but here is my take on this discussion as I had the same debate myself.
These are all just my opinion as I had summarized them when it came time to purchase.
Advantages to the M&P 9c:
-Stainless steel slide
-Accessory rail
-Polymer embedded steel frame
-Better ergonomics (subjective) Slide serrations, grip angle, grip shape
-Factory installed steel 3-dot sights
-Cheaper purchase price
-12 round magazines vs 10 (without Glock +2 baseplate)
Advantages to the Glock 26:
-Lighter
-Smaller
-Cheaper and more available (currently) magazines
-Better trigger (subjective)
-More aggressive grip texturing for a more positive grip (Gen 4)
-Larger aftermarket (but that is becoming less apparent)
Shared features between both pistols:
-Accepts larger magazines from full size variants (although Glock has more factory options)
-Will fit same holster as full size versions (most of the time)
-Excellent reputation for reliability
-"Soft" shooting for size
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Thanks for all the replies. The other day at work I sat both the Glock 26 and the 9c side by side, did some comparisons and decided on the 9c.
Unfortunately I just spent a 9c's worth of cash on pistons for my Octane 45. Looks like I'll have to wait a couple more months....
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Same reason I dumped my 9mm shield for the .40
Not much price difference these days in ammo, 15-18$ a box for 9mm compared to 19-22$ depending on where you buy it.
Ditch the 9c together and but the shield if it's purely for conceal.
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You gotta handle both. Some people, like me, can't stand the glock grip angle. Its the most uncomfortable gun i have ever held. I tried to like them i really did.. The m&p is far more ergonomic. Don't forget to look at the Ruger SR9c as well. Cheaper, and easy to conceal. Comes with a 10 and 16 round.
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I like the M&P's ergonomics better than the Glock's But if I were already in the Glock ecosystem like you are I would get the G26. Interchangeable magazines. And they are both excellent hand guns.
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I like the M&P's ergonomics better than the Glock's But if I were already in the Glock ecosystem like you are I would get the G26. Interchangeable magazines. And they are both excellent hand guns.
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Before you buy that 9c seriously give the 40c some consideration. This way you can later get a 9mm conversion barrel, plus .40 ammo is much easier to find and doesn't recoil that bad and gives you more knock down power. You can have two guns relatively inexpensively.
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Well said and right on. I shoot my 40 C better than ANY 9mm that I own. I dont have the conversion barrell due to me owning other 9 mm compacts. Less than a dollar differance at Wal-Mart for 40 .
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OP hasn't logged in since Feb 2016. Maybe he went Glock and is over on that forum. Maybe he got a great deal on one of those Remington R51's and is waiting for it to come back from the factory. Makes you wonder.
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