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Old 04-21-2014, 11:19 AM
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I've owned a Glock 19, 4th Gen since April 2011. I'm not sure the amount of rounds I've shot through it, but, lets presume it is over 1000. During that time, my right hand NEVER hurt when using it.

I bought a M&P Shield 9mm on Saturday (brand new). I went through about 75 rounds at the range on Saturday afternoon. While using the M&P Shield, and even more so when I got home, I realized how much right hand hurts! In particular between my thumb and index finger. It is hurting even more today. I wonder if it would have been worst if I'd shot more rounds. Hmm, interesting.

Is it just me, or is this a common thing?

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Old 04-21-2014, 11:29 AM
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Sorry, but it is you.

The Shield is much thinner than the Glock and you are likely not gripping the weapon tight enough or are not placing your hand high enough on the back strap to maintain the proper grip.

Try to concentrate on the above and I bet your feelings will change. The Shield in 9mm is a very soft shooting pistol.
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I have owned my Shield for over a year and most likely shot well over a 1,000 rounds through it. I have not experienced any pain or soreness from shooting the Shield.

I have not heard of anyone else that has experienced pain from shooting a Shield, so I would guess the problem may be with your grip.
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It could be a problem for the more recoil sensitive shooter. It is a small hand gun with a pretty potent punch. The first time I took mine out, I did notice the recoil seemed a bit stout, but I have shot about 650 rounds thru it now, and it no longer bothers me at all.

Take a look at your grip, that may have something to do with felt recoil. Grasp it up high with the firing hand, and use the thumbs forward grip with your support hand. If you are using a tea cup grip, that will transfer all the recoil to the firing hand, resulting in more felt recoil.
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Haven't had any hand pain with my Shield. My shield is as comfortable to shoot as my G26. It's an All-Day Shooter... Even single-handed, both strong and weak hand.

If you think the Shield is a pain to shoot, you definitely want to steer clear of the PF-9, LC9, XD-S9 and some of the other Subcompact 9s out there.
My hand does start to hurt like you describe after about 25-30 rounds out of those I listed above.
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Thank's for the information thus far, keep em' coming. And, don't be sorry either

I like the tea cup grip expression, too - LOL


I will certainly try holding it better.
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Just for giggles, what rounds were you using?
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Try putting a Pachmyer grip made for the Shield on it. It will spread out and cushion the recoil. My wife loves it that way.
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Winchester 124 grain 9mm (only 25 rounds); then 50 Federal 115 grain 9mm

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I have one on my 40 Shield and it takes the sharp part of the recoil out and helps to hold on to gun.

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This is not unique to the Shield. It can be a problem with any small gun. Grip is certainly a concern. Can you post a pic of your grip?

Here's what I recommend for the grip-

Start with your firing hand as high in the grip as possible:


Bring your support hand up with fingers on fingers, ensuring full contact with the gun:


Ensure the gun is in line with your firearm:



Your gun should not hurt to shoot. Alas, we are all different. What I've posted above will help, but may not be the whole answer. Some people will just have trouble with the small/thin grip on smaller guns like the Shield.

Sure, the 124gr will have more recoil than the 115gr, but the difference is insignificant. I don't believe your problem is load related.
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Thanks for taking the time to post images, etc. Much appreciated.

This is rather weird. I felt like I was holding the gun properly. It is not like this is my first time shooting, another reason I found it weird that my hand was/is hurting. I could hardly pick up a 15lbs box today.

I'll do some dry pulls later this evening.
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Thank's for the information thus far, keep em' coming. And, don't be sorry either

I like the tea cup grip expression, too - LOL


I will certainly try holding it better.
See, this is what this forum is all about. People helping each other.

I, too, noticed a bit of a difference when I shot my first 150 or so rounds through it - it's the slimmest gun I've ever shot, and I was coming off of shooting a Sig P229, a Glock 19 and my wife's 686-6. So, I was used to wider grips and heavier guns. However, no real "pain", as you indicate. More of a feeling of "snappiness" or not quite feeling like I have total control over the recoil.

Now, after 700+ rounds though, it's no problem at all. I bet I got a "handle" on it (pun intended) after my second range session and 300 or so rounds.

I also found that adding some Foxx Grips (similar to Talon grips, which are popular with the Glock crowd, and others) really helped keep it more stable in my hands, especially when shooting in warmer climes, like here in South Carolina.

Good luck. I am sure you'll get it figured out.
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Thanks for taking the time to post images, etc. Much appreciated.

This is rather weird. I felt like I was holding the gun properly. It is not like this is my first time shooting, another reason I found it weird that my hand was/is hurting. I could hardly pick up a 15lbs box today.

I'll do some dry pulls later this evening.
Interesting, regarding the grip strength on a box today. Have you had any issues like this in past? Grip-related, I mean.

Idiot question - you weren't "over" gripping were you? i.e., putting on the death grip?

I ask because I'm an idiot. No, haha - I ask because my wife had an over-gripping issue with the G19 when she first got into shooting. She had the Vulcan Neck Pinch Grip of Death on the darn thing, and she was complaining how it hurt her hands. We got her relaxed a bit, and everything improved, from the pain to her recoil management to her accuracy.
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Haven't had any hand pain with my Shield. My shield is as comfortable to shoot as my G26. It's an All-Day Shooter... Even single-handed, both strong and weak hand.

If you think the Shield is a pain to shoot, you definitely want to steer clear of the PF-9, LC9, XD-S9 and some of the other Subcompact 9s out there.
My hand does start to hurt like you describe after about 25-30 rounds out of those I listed above.
I personally have a Springfield xds 9mm and in my opinion it's also a light shooter. Easily controllable one handed .. Just my 2 cents
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Holy Ice Bucket, Batman. I had the S&W 360PD that weighed in at 11.4 oz. empty. .357 magnum round, 5 shot. I dare anybody to shoot 10 consecutive rounds as fast as possible without having to go to the emergency room. Might as well just drive over your hand with your 1 ton pickup. I sold it and bought the .40 Shield. Best thing I ever did. To Naviwilliams, "I feel your pain".

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I'm beginning to think since I've gone from a Glock 19, to a M&P Shield, I may have simply been holding it too tight. The Shield doesn't need as much to hold it as my Glock did. Albeit, with my Glock, I knew I was holding something.

I guess we will see over the coming days.

I've never had an issue with gripping anything. So, this is weird.

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Interesting, regarding the grip strength on a box today. Have you had any issues like this in past? Grip-related, I mean.

Idiot question - you weren't "over" gripping were you? i.e., putting on the death grip?

I ask because I'm an idiot. No, haha - I ask because my wife had an over-gripping issue with the G19 when she first got into shooting. She had the Vulcan Neck Pinch Grip of Death on the darn thing, and she was complaining how it hurt her hands. We got her relaxed a bit, and everything improved, from the pain to her recoil management to her accuracy.
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naviwilliams,

Hang in there, and try different grips to find the one that works well for you.

I predict that the day will come when you are very happy you bought a Shield!

BTW: welcome to the forum.

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I have had one for almost 2 years. I have fired up to 150 rounds in one session and have never had a problem with it hurting my hand.
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Is it just me, or is this a common thing?


It's just you.

If a 9mm Shield hurts you definitely stay away from the .500 Magnum...
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OP, i know what you are going through! Not with my shield, but with my 342pd with +p loads. My hand hurts for about 30 mins after I am done shooting 20 rounds.
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No gun should hurt to shoot. There are three potential causes of pain when shooting:
  1. The gun doesn't fit.
  2. The shooter is doing something wrong.
  3. The caliber is more than an individual can handle.

Pain from the gun not fitting is most common with shotguns. The fix can be as simple as a new recoil pad or grip to a custom stock or gun.

The shooter doing something wrong is usually associated with improper mount or grip. It's quite common for shooters to have their hands in the wrong or uncomfortable places. Just because you've been shooting for years doesn't mean you're doing it the best or safest way. Small and large guns often being slight problems to light.

The caliber is not an issue in this case, but is definitely a concern with some of the bigger guns like a .44Mag. The only fix for that is to change calibers. Fortunately for the OP, this is not his problem.
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i purchased a shield 9 a few weeks ago...the first mag i shot, hurt, then i adjusted my grip a little...less tight as i was used to gripping a 40c...and it was much better...i can now shoot it with no problem
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i purchased a shield 9 a few weeks ago...the first mag i shot, hurt, then i adjusted my grip a little...less tight as i was used to gripping a 40c...and it was much better...i can now shoot it with no problem

I'm thinking this is my issue, too. Thanks
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hopefully it works for you as the shield s a joy to shoot...so much so that i bought a 2nd one 2 weeks later...
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Long day yesterday. But when I got home, I held my gun and merged my hand into the groves of the gun. I didn't feel the pain in my hand like I did the day before. Albeit I didn't fire it yesterday. I guess the proof will be in the pudding this weekend at the range.
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I recently picked up a Shield 9mm and haven't had any issues with it at all. Soft enough shooter for it's size. I've put about 150 rounds through it to get the feel and to test some ammo. Definitely going to be a good carry pistol.
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Try putting a Pachmyer grip made for the Shield on it. It will spread out and cushion the recoil. My wife loves it that way.
I put the Shield Pachmyer Tactical grip on my 9c. How do you get it to stay and not drift down? I tried cleaning with rubbing alcohol and then using hair spray on both the gun grip and the Pachmyer grip. It still drifted down and interfered with reloads. I took it off since it's my carry gun and that was not acceptable.
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I tried cleaning with rubbing alcohol and then using hair spray on both the gun grip and the Pachmyer grip. It still drifted down and interfered with reloads.
I haven't used this grip for exactly the reasons you mention. However, I can tell you that if you let the hairspray cure for a week before you use it, it will be on there like a rock. The trick is to let the stuff cure completely before using it. I've done that trick a hundred times with motorcycle grips. As long as I let them sit, that stuff cures very well and really holds.
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I do notice a bit more authority in the 124 gr loaded to provide about 1200 fps as compared to 115 gr loaded to about 1100 fps. Slight maybe but perceivable after a few mags. No pain but a little, light gun provides little to comfort the hand. You'll develop a comfortable grip through use.
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I also use the Pachmyer grip
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Watch this video. Mr Spaulding is one of the premier instructors in the country and does a very good job showing and explaining proper grip.


Watch the one on trigger control too.
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To say no gun should hurt your hand has not fired 100 rounds in a Kel-Tec PF-9. That pistol was not fun to shoot no matter how I held it, I did not enjoy going to the range with it. I bought it to hold me until I could get the Shield 9 (about 18 months). I love my Shield, I have around 500 rounds through it since the 1st of March, without any discomfort to my hand. I can only compare the two but it was like night and day as far as comfortable shooting. The PF-9 went up for sale the day I bought my Shield, it went boom every time but it was always a hard on the hand boom.

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Watch this video. Mr Spaulding is one of the premier instructors in the country and does a very good job showing and explaining proper grip.
Link to this video: Ruger Videos


Watch the one on trigger control too.
Brilliant i.formation obtained from those videos, thanks.
I'm also looking into an instructor. Probably from Governs Mansion Gun Club in Hirum, GA. Something like $90 for an hour. Another place, Georgia Firing Lane charge $95, but they offer the recommended NRA training starter pack.
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Unless this is your first semi auto or sub compact pistol I never heard of a 9mm hurting a shooters hand before. My first "real" pistol was a model 686 6" barell back in 1993 and this past December '14 I purchased my Shield 9mm. This was my first 9mm pistol and it took a awhile to get "used" to the striker fired trigger, it was waay different than my heavy double action trigger on my revolvers that I was accustomed to. But after a few days at the range the Shield turned into a shooters dream...
I would suggest perhaps adding a Pachmayr slip on rubber grip, I added one to mine & I love it.. It will give you a better grip on the pistol and absorb some of the recoil. In addition I would suggest using 115 gr. Winchester white box or 115 gr. Remington UMC as the 124 gr. loads are a bit more snappy until you build up some hand strength or "get used to it" as some would say... The Shield is a great pistol, keep on shootin it! good luck!

Pic shown is my Shield 9 with the Pachmayr slip on grip. I suggest wipping down the pistol with some rubbing alcohol & also the inside of the rubber grip and carefully stretch it on. Once on, it wont slip around and it stays put...
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CaptRon956, thanks for the info, Sir.
I've been using my Shield for a while now (although I should use it more), and I'm used to it now. I have a 'grip', too, that seems to fit rather well.

Now, I think I'm looking to get another Glock 19, 4th Gen, just as a addition...

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Unless this is your first semi auto or sub compact pistol I never heard of a 9mm hurting a shooters hand before. My first "real" pistol was a model 686 6" barell back in 1993 and this past December '14 I purchased my Shield 9mm. This was my first 9mm pistol and it took a awhile to get "used" to the striker fired trigger, it was waay different than my heavy double action trigger on my revolvers that I was accustomed to. But after a few days at the range the Shield turned into a shooters dream...
I would suggest perhaps adding a Pachmayr slip on rubber grip, I added one to mine & I love it.. It will give you a better grip on the pistol and absorb some of the recoil. In addition I would suggest using 115 gr. Winchester white box or 115 gr. Remington UMC as the 124 gr. loads are a bit more snappy until you build up some hand strength or "get used to it" as some would say... The Shield is a great pistol, keep on shootin it! good luck!

Pic shown is my Shield 9 with the Pachmayr slip on grip. I suggest wipping down the pistol with some rubbing alcohol & also the inside of the rubber grip and carefully stretch it on. Once on, it wont slip around and it stays put...
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No, the gun has a higher recoil than some others. This is a fact!
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The Shield is very soft shooting due to very stout double recoil spring. Despite that, high quality standard pressure is now available these days. No need to beat yourself or your gun up with the +P stuff.
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Well, here we are 2018, and just yesterday I went back to a Shield. In particular. 2.0. During my class yesterday, I shot around 60-70 rounds and it felt GOOD.

Then again, I have learned a lot in the past few months on stances, handling a weapon, etcetera.


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Also have the Pachmyer grip glove on my shield 9. Transitioned from a Glock 23 that I carried when working to a Shield in retirement. The grip glove works for me.
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My first outing with a M.2.0 9mm caused the same pain in the web of my hand. But it was clear to me the grip stippling under the beaver tail was the cause. A friend recommended the Hogue slipon grip but getting it on the Shield was difficult at best. I had my local smith take the "points" off the stippling and problem solved.
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The Shield in 9 is an amazing soft shooter

You may have a poor grip situation going on

1) Get a bike inner tube, and cut a small section for your grip
The effect is a fuller grip feel, and a bit of a cushion

2) Get a higher grip on the pistol. I have seen people grip a pistol too low
and it causes an extra "torque" on the wrist

3) consider looking at lower recoil ammo (its a thing)


I have a Shield in 40, and many people love shooting it

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I don't care for the grip shape of the 9mm Shield. It feels like I'm holding a piece of 1/2" plywood. I don't have that problem with my Kahr CM9. Here is a good tip on grip, IMHO.
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I have the shield 9mm and a Glock 26 9mm. the glock is much softer shooter than the Shield. It must be the double stack thick grip vs. skinny single stack grip.
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I shoot a 9 mm Shield a lot and it doesn't hurt my hands. I have never heard my wife or daughter complain about theirs hurting their hands either. I installed the Talon stick on grip on all of them. It prevents the pistol from slipping in your hand.

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Glad your new M2.0 Shield is working out for you!

I have a M1.0 Shield 40 and shoot ~200 rds at a time and there is no discomfort what so ever.
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Sorry, but it is you.

The Shield is much thinner than the Glock and you are likely not gripping the weapon tight enough or are not placing your hand high enough on the back strap to maintain the proper grip.

Try to concentrate on the above and I bet your feelings will change. The Shield in 9mm is a very soft shooting pistol.
This^ I had the same issue with it hurting the same area when I first got mine, a tighter grip did the trick
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My 2.0 is new. I've got around 500 rds through it at this time. I used Magtech 115gr, Blazer 115gr, WWB115gr and 124 nato, Sig Elite115gr, Win Train & Defend 147gr. All rounds performed as they should and my hand is not sore. ?? As others recommended, focus on your grip and see if that helps.
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Update:

This original thread (my thread) was from back in 2014, when I was a novice.

Iíve learned a lot since then. My new M&P Shield 2.0 (bought it 27th April 2018), feels good and Iíve learned from an instructor how to properly grip and handle this weapon. My hand hurts! - M&P Shield 9mm


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Thanks for taking the time to post images, etc. Much appreciated.

This is rather weird. I felt like I was holding the gun properly. It is not like this is my first time shooting, another reason I found it weird that my hand was/is hurting. I could hardly pick up a 15lbs box today.

I'll do some dry pulls later this evening.
My suggestion to anyone in this situation:
while your right hand is recovering, use this time to learn to also shoot with your left hand. It's an important skill you should practice anyway.

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