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Old 07-01-2014, 07:50 PM
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How many of you have the trigger kit installed, and what do you think of it?

Honestly the trigger is the only thing I dont like about the shield, so I see this as a necessity if I were to keep my shield. Is it worth it? Give me your opinions.

Did a quick search on it and didnt see anything.
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Old 07-01-2014, 07:53 PM
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Yep, yep, yep and yep.
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:11 PM
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lol thanks for the input
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:37 PM
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I have the DCAEK Apex kit in my Shield 40 and absolutely love it. Reduces takeup, overtravel, and is a little lighter to boot. Very crisp striker release and reset. The only trigger I'm more fond of in my S&W's is the Apex FSS in my M&P 40c...short, crisp, and light...about 1/8" total travel. BTW, aluminum trigger in Shield, poly in 40c.
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I wouldn't have an M&P pistol without the APEX kit - and I have four M&P pistols.

I can NOT stand the factory trigger. Just can't.
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Old 07-01-2014, 11:09 PM
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I installed the Apex trigger and sear block in my full size .40 and the difference is amazing. Highly recommend the upgrade!
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Old 07-02-2014, 12:14 AM
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I'm really surprised you cannot find numerous threads on this same subject. I know I have posted in quite a few.

Nonetheless, many of us would get rid of our Shields if we had to suffer with the ****** factory trigger. Others, probably the majority, find the trigger acceptable, but I believe those triggers are different than the one I got.

I admit to bring a trigger snob. It's either (made) great or I won't keep the gun. My Shield benefitted greatly from an Apex kit and a bunch of polishing.
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Old 07-02-2014, 12:33 AM
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I just purchased my 9mm Shield. The trigger is somewhat better in it than in my full size M&P. I had to do something with my full size so I installed the Apex Tactical Sear & Trigger. It made the pistol a pleasure to own & shoot.

I plan to get the same kit for my 9mm Shield soon. Just can't imagine keeping the Shield with such a sorry trigger!

Incidentally, the kit is easy to install. Plenty of video help on the internet if you are mechanically inclined at all.
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Old 07-02-2014, 08:12 AM
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Well I have posted before but here goes
I have the APEX FSS and trigger in my MPC9
Now it is just like a 1911
And YES I have a Ruger SR1911 to compare it against
The MP9C breaks at 3.5 and the Ruger at 4.5
Free Travel is about the same 1/8-1/4
I am trying to get a Thumb Safety for the 9C
I would not carry it without one anymore than the SR1911 with out the TS engaged
As it is now if I carry it is without a rd in the chamber
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Old 07-02-2014, 03:33 PM
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I read some where that you should do the DCAEK Apex kit first, and if you still want to, then do the trigger kit. Or was it the other way around? Or should you do both together?
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:42 PM
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I dont find the trigger to be that bad at all. Let alone bad enough that you "have" to get the parts. I was gonna put an apex kit in my 45 but just decided to shoot the **** out of it. Haven't put my shield to a trigger gauge but it doesn't feel as light as my 45 that has lightened up with shooting but its almost the same. I have yet to shoot any m&p with the apex kit so I have no way to compare. But if they didn't bother me to begin with why change it? Probably because I love shooting 1911's and know that a striker fired pistol will never have a trigger like a 1911. Just my opinion. YMMV.
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:36 PM
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Anyone install this kit on their shield? It looks like just what I want. Its either I spend the money and buy a trigger kit, OR buy an xds which already has a better trigger, but would still need a spring kit, which is only $20 compared to these. Any thoughts?

Apex s w Shield Duty Carry Action Enhancement Trigger and Kit 100 051 | eBay
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:47 PM
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I installed the apex sear, and only the sear, in my shield. The improvement over the stock trigger was dramatic.

I've put at least 600 rounds of IDPA style shooting through it, mostly 147gn with some 115gn, and it runs and shoots perfectly.

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Old 07-02-2014, 05:51 PM
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Ya know..... I must be in somewhat of a minority yet again ... but ...

I myself find the trigger to be fairly decent on my Shield 9mm pistol. When considering the entire "package" of size and the way I grip the pistol, AND that it is mostly a EDC defensive weapon rather than a "target" piece.... I think the trigger is relatively well matched to the pistol. I don't have all that much creep and it breaks fairly crisp with a short reset length, at least it seems that way to ME. Maybe these little mouse-guns have more variance in production than the "high quality" pistols of our past.

My other semi-auto S&W pistol has a DA/SA trigger and is a relatively "top of the line" gun. To tell the truth I find I get slightly BETTER results on-target with the Shield 9MM, and I did NOT expect that from such a small and light pistol.

Going to the range again tomorrow to try several different ammo including snake-shot cups, so I will know what to expect now that this Shield is getting worn in a tad. I only have about 500 rounds through the pistol and most of it has been 115 gr Federal ball ammo and some 124 gr CD . No apparent issues with either.

Anyways, I haven't felt a sudden urge to get the Apex kit yet, so at least in MY case the Shield trigger ain't all THAT bad!

YMMV
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Old 07-02-2014, 06:01 PM
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Well I have posted before but here goes
I have the APEX FSS and trigger in my MPC9
Now it is just like a 1911
And YES I have a Ruger SR1911 to compare it against
The MP9C breaks at 3.5 and the Ruger at 4.5
Free Travel is about the same 1/8-1/4
I am trying to get a Thumb Safety for the 9C
I would not carry it without one anymore than the SR1911 with out the TS engaged
As it is now if I carry it is without a rd in the chamber
I had the FSS and trigger installed on the M&P 9FS recently! I'm extremely pleased with the result.
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I dry fired a XD-s 9mm & 9mm Shield at the LGS.
I though the Shield trigger was better and can't see spending that much money on a trigger kit.
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Old 07-02-2014, 08:45 PM
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Anyone install this kit on their shield? It looks like just what I want. Its either I spend the money and buy a trigger kit, OR buy an xds which already has a better trigger, but would still need a spring kit, which is only $20 compared to these. Any thoughts?

Apex s w Shield Duty Carry Action Enhancement Trigger and Kit 100 051 | eBay
Same kit I put in mine.
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:02 PM
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Sweet! I really might be pulling the trigger on that one. I really like this shield, don't like the trigger.
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If you're paying $159 bucks for the Apex carry kit (as shown in the ebay ad above) you are getting

R-I-P-P-E-D O-F-F!

Go to budsgunshop.com and make an offer on that kit...I bet you will score it for between 70 and 80 bucks...and that's the whole kit...
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I think your misreading that apex kit I posted, it includes the actually aluminum trigger and not just the springs and sear.
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Old 07-03-2014, 08:58 AM
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Stick with the polymer trigger. I've read lots of fitment issues with aluminum, it's simply not as forgiving as the polymer ones.
Bud's kit with trigger starts at 169.
I bought my DCAEK kit, minus trigger, for $80 shipped off Amazon.

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Old 07-03-2014, 02:18 PM
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Thats some good advice, I might hold off on the trigger as well.
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Nonetheless, many of us would get rid of our Shields if we had to suffer with the ****** factory trigger. My Shield benefitted greatly from an Apex kit and a bunch of polishing.
I admit to knowing nothing about the Shield, but I do know a little about Colts, Brownings, and Rugers.

I can't understand this mindset of spending x-hundreds of dollars on a Shield, them almost immediately have to begin modifying it so it'll "work right" or to bring it up to the buyer's expectations. Especially the buyer's expections for a Smith & Wesson product.

I think I've mentioned before that I expect a lot out of a handgun. One of those expectations is that it work the way it's supposed to work right out of the box. Seriously, is that too much to ask?

I'm beginning to believe that S&W makes some of its products that they know are slightly inferior, but they know people will buy them simply because they're a Smith.

I guess I'm Old School. I just don't think you ought to buy a pistol or revolver and immediately have to start spending money on it to bring it up to specs. Your first major expense on a handgun should be ammo, or perhaps a good carry rig. I love my Smiths, but I'll never buy a Shield.

Oh, and let's don't even talk about the Exploding Shield Syndrome, okay?

Here's sort of a non sequitur funny story. A friend of mine and I went to the range yesterday. He has one of those Springfield XD-something-or-others in 9mm. I think it's a compact model. Basically brand new. He asked me if I wanted to run a mag through it. I said sure. So I sight in on the target and begin squeezing the trigger. And I kept squeezing it. I've never experienced that much trigger creep in my life. When the gun finally did go off, it startled me so bad the shot didn't even go into the black. Would I spend money on it to elimate the creep? No, absolutely not. I'd sell it at a loss if I had to, but I'd ditch that gun in a heartbeat.
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Old 07-04-2014, 12:57 AM
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The DCAEK kit will not reduce take-up, and in fact will increase the take up slightly, offset by reducing the over-travel slightly. The improvement between my stock Shield 40's pull and the Apex kit was minimal, but it was an improvement, with a crisper break and shorter reset. By adding the Apex trigger, to the kit, the trigger will reduce some take-up and over-travel, which was engineered into the design. That trigger was not available when I made changes to my Shield.

I do not mind take-up, in a carry gun, as to me it offers and extra margin of safety, as the trigger moves about 3/8 inch, before starting to move the sear. But once I fire that first shot, I want minimal over-travel and a short reset. The following video shows the results of the modifications I made to my Shield. You may not want as soft of trigger pull (3 pounds 12 ounces), or as short of pull and reset (a shade over 1/16 inch) as mine, but it is perfect for me. This trigger is not advisable for a new shooter, or someone that doesn't practice often.

Video link: http://youtu.be/T60sTwJ_FNE


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