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Old 07-02-2014, 06:40 PM
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Old 07-02-2014, 08:22 PM
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Was it an even trade? Would love to do this! Hopefull...

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Old 07-02-2014, 08:23 PM
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I am strange I guess. I don't mind the safety at all.
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Old 07-02-2014, 09:07 PM
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I didnt really mind the safety either, but I would rather NOT have it. No it wasn't an even trade.. Do you think the LGS is crazy? I had to pay, but it wasn't too bad.

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Old 07-02-2014, 09:34 PM
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While I'd love to get a NTS Shield, I'd take too big of a hit to simply trade.

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Old 07-02-2014, 09:39 PM
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The shield without the thumb safety is almost the best concealed carry gun on the market. The ONLY improvement that could be made is a rear sight that isn't so sharp and should have a more snag free design. I pocket carry a lot, and the rear sight really grabs on the draw.....Just sayin...

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Old 07-02-2014, 11:08 PM
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The shield without the thumb safety is almost the best concealed carry gun on the market. The ONLY improvement that could be made is a rear sight that isn't so sharp and should have a more snag free design. I pocket carry a lot, and the rear sight really grabs on the draw.....Just sayin...
The answer to that is to replace the factory sights with night sights - I put Ameriglos on mine. And that's not at all the *only* improvement...

While you are swapping sights drop in an Apex kit and have as close to awesome as you're ever going to get with your Shield...
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:21 PM
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I have the Trijicon HD front night sight. I never really saw a snag free rear sight anywhere? The trigger is fine with me. It's smooth and has under. 6 lb. pull. At 7-10 yards I put 100 rounds in a ragged hole about the size of a half dollar.
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:37 PM
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Was it an even trade? Would love to do this! Hopefull...
Hardly. Where I work, we sell a new Shield for $389. [all the stores pay $335 for non LE guns]. So we'd sell a clean used one for $280-$300, which means we'd pay $225-$250 for that used Shield whether it had 10 or 1000 rds through it. It's almost like Pawn Stars, with people wanting to trade it in for the retail price. Hey, we've got to pay rent, payroll, & all other types of money to keep the business rolling, so if the customer wants retail prices, we politely tell them to put the gun on Gunbroker, & wait for the sale to happen. Now this might take a week for the exchange to happen, but the customer can't wait a week to get the new gun, & wants instant gratification. Again, we try to work with the customer, & offer to hold the new gun for up to a month with just a $50 deposit. Then they can sell their gun for the max, & when they have the cash, bring it to the store, & collect the new gun. But there's the instant gratification thing tugging at their leg screaming forget gunbroker, take the trade in price so I can take my new gun home today. That's how 80% of our deals happen. The customer can't wait. GARY

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Old 07-02-2014, 11:55 PM
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I wonder if the new Shields include any "secret design enhancements".
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Old 07-03-2014, 12:08 AM
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Old 07-03-2014, 03:57 PM
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I wonder if it shoots any better than the thumb safety one?
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Old 07-03-2014, 04:02 PM
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Not to me... Just as good, but not any 'better'.
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Old 07-03-2014, 04:16 PM
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I am strange I guess. I don't mind the safety at all.

I'm even stranger. I want the safety. The idea of carrying concealed with one in the pipe and no safety scares me. I am just training to sweep the safety and don't find it to be that hard. May change my tune if it ever hits the fan.


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Old 07-03-2014, 05:41 PM
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Yeah, I don't mind it at all on the shield, as it's so low pro.
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Old 07-03-2014, 05:56 PM
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The no safety model (as well as the no loaded chamber indicator flag model, no mag safety) are "off roster" here in Cali. Given the price is just about the same, I chose the "exotic" model.

Only 10 more days to wait.
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Old 07-03-2014, 06:49 PM
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IMO it's not worthing giving up a perfectly working paid for weapon and add more money. For a weapon that is basically the same. Minus a safety function. Odd as it may seems.....no thanks but I'll keep mine and the money for more ammo.
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:10 PM
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And on another note let's not forget the past wit the shield. There were a bunch of people having problems with newer shields. Why would I give up a perfectly functioning weapon for another newer shield that could end up having problems down the road.

Mine works fine both as a .40 and as a 9mm. With over 10k rounds down the pipe. I'm sure I can say mine is well past broken in with 0 problems.
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Old 07-03-2014, 10:28 PM
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And on another note let's not forget the past wit the shield. There were a bunch of people having problems with newer shields. Why would I give up a perfectly functioning weapon for another newer shield that could end up having problems down the road.

Mine works fine both as a .40 and as a 9mm. With over 10k rounds down the pipe. I'm sure I can say mine is well past broken in with 0 problems.
Very true. Personally I think the Shield with safety -vs- Shield without safety is mostly just a placebo effect...but too each their own.

The main reason I am posting in this thread is to repeat what I have said in the past. All told, there is a very small amount of Shields displaying any problems. Compared to the number of Shields sold, the problematic ones barely register at all. We see them here because this is a S &W forum specifically designed for discussion, but overall, there are very few problems. And of those problems, many of them are people using the gun in a way it wasn't intended to be used. An example of this is people complaining it is too difficult to pull the slide back. That isn't a defect, that is a person trying to use a gun that doesn't work for their capabilities.

Basically, I wouldn't let an extremely small amount of actual issues keep anyone from buying and enjoying a Shield with or without a safety. I'm willing to bet the actual defect rate of Shields is near or less to the percentage of most other similarly manufactured guns.
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Old 07-03-2014, 10:45 PM
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First: I agree with Lycan regarding the very small number of issues with Shields. Both of mine, in 9mm, from different serial number runs, worked fine out of the box. They were both modified with the Apex Carry Kit for the Shield, and Novak sights. Took care of any complaints I might have had with both the trigger and sights. Mine get passed around my shooting group every month, and I should get a commission from S&W for all the Shields purchased after mine was tested !

I have a no-safety model at my dealer's, waiting for his return from vacation. I will probably sell one of my Shields with the safety to a member in my group, but have never had a problem with the safety itself.
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Put another 200 down range today, no issues at all. Have just over 1000 through it so far. Perfect every time. Accurate as hell too! For such a small gun. Its a keeper.
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Old 07-04-2014, 11:39 AM
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That's why Glock never had a manual safety... Because it's completely unnecessary. Just like people that have to have a suicide strap on their holster... Completely unnecessary and could get you killed.
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I disagree because our current military uses many weapons with a manual safety. I believe they would stand a higher chance at getting killed than the average citizen. Plus let's not forget many people train themselves to instinctively click their safety off. And others just don't use the safety at all. In the case of the shield it's a matter of preference, I guess.

But IMO it's a marketing gimmick by s&w. They need to make a quick buck. So they introduce a new weapon that's 99.9% identical to the old one. Yet they charge u more for it. It's not like they needed much R&D to figure out how to remove the safety lol.
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Yet they charge u more for it.
Here in CA, the difference was $10. The CA compliant model includes a hideous LCI, mag safety and thumb safety. Since the NTS is "off roster", I had to pay another $25 for the single shot exception fee. I paid it gladly.
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My point exactly. It should cost less because there is less work and material in building it. Plus they didn't need any R&D for it because it was already done when building the safety version. All they did was just remove the safety. In this case with less material, less labor in building, and no R&D. It should cost a considerable amount less.

Once again IMO this was just their way of attempting to boost sales again. If they really wanted something cool. Why didn't they just make a .45 to compete with the XDS. Or start selling the factory 9 mm barrels again. Then they would have more money. Except let's remember they would need more R&Dol to design the .45. So this is why they only took the safety out of the equation. They spent hardly no money and no time. Thus increased the sales of the shield again. And kept the price the same as the other.......good marketing, if u are a company. That's for sure.
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I doubt the company who makes the Zytel pistol frames for S&W (also meaning new molds for each frame variation) is doing so with "free money", and isn't charging S&W for doing so.

If the frames were being made in-house, maybe it would be done differently (meaning cost-wise to the consumer).
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Thanks to all that congratulated me on my new gun..... Like I was hoping.... Oh well....
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Congrats, I guess! Although I agree with you about the safety. Don't like it, completely unnecessary. If it's not mandatory for function it only adds problems. As far as trading one for the other. ....I just wouldn't have bought the original in the first place.

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Congrats, I guess! Although I agree with you about the safety. Don't like it, completely unnecessary. If it's not mandatory for function it only adds problems. As far as trading one for the other. ....I just wouldn't have bought the original in the first place.

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I see this all the time. Guy buys a 45 XDs, never fires it, & when the 9mm version comes out, he thinks our store will make an even swap. Even though the 45 is unfired, it is not new, as it's ser# is already on a 4473. He totally flips out when we tell him it's going to cost him at least $150 to "swap" guns according to the formula I used earlier in this thread. When I asked him why he bought the 45 if he really wanted the 9mm, he replied the 9 wasn't available when the 45 came out, & he had to have a new gun. I asked him why he couldn't hold onto his money until the 9mm came out. His reply was he'd have pis#ed it away on something else, & had to have a new gun that day, even if it wasn't exactly what he wanted. Any other gun store employees here who see this all the time? GARY
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My point exactly. It should cost less because there is less work and material in building it. Plus they didn't need any R&D for it because it was already done when building the safety version. All they did was just remove the safety. In this case with less material, less labor in building, and no R&D. It should cost a considerable amount less.

Once again IMO this was just their way of attempting to boost sales again. If they really wanted something cool. Why didn't they just make a .45 to compete with the XDS. Or start selling the factory 9 mm barrels again. Then they would have more money. Except let's remember they would need more R&Dol to design the .45. So this is why they only took the safety out of the equation. They spent hardly no money and no time. Thus increased the sales of the shield again. And kept the price the same as the other.......good marketing, if u are a company. That's for sure.
What's considered a considerable amount less, $50, $75, 100? Who would buy the safety equipped Shield then?
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"Technically" the Shield without the safety should cost less. Less parts = less cost to produce? But who really cares? Amount would be negligeable.
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Compared to the number of Shields sold, the problematic ones barely register at all. We see them here because this is a S &W forum specifically designed for discussion, but overall, there are very few problems.
The past problems with the Shield are well documented including the partially unsupported chamber (some overcut more than others). I hope the OP doesn't get bitten by that one.

I noticed the newer Shields now have a slightly darker slide finish. Not really a fan of that change but wonder out loud if it is more or less scratch resistent than the previous finish. Glock changed its slide finish when introducing their Gen 4 and there are reports that it is more suspectible to scratches and wear than the Gen 3 finish.

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Looks like most do not like the manual safety.

I do

If you train with it - it does not slow you down one bit.

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Looks like most do not like the manual safety.

I do

If you train with it - it does not slow you down one bit.

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And I do not consider a Glock to have a safety at all,

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I am strange I guess. I don't mind the safety at all.
Me neither, never bothered me one bit. Just ignored it.
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Me neither, never bothered me one bit. Just ignored it.
Hope all you guys that ignore the safety, don't have it accidentally engaged when you pull to fire in self defense.....
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I train with it. No problem at all.
Have had other's with them through the years.
Never an issue with me.
Browning Hi Power I bought new in 1984, Sig 210-6, High Standard .22's etc.
I am just surprised so many accept it on 1911's but not this one? LOL LOL.
Now folks have a choice, nothing wrong with that.
If I were in the market today I would buy the same one, with the safety. The little thing is a tack driver and always goes bang. Happy as a clam.
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Let's not forget the compact also has a manual safety. Seems s&w skipped over the non safety model of that one lol.

Like I've said before. Marketing gimmick is all this is.

And likexplained the above post stated. How come no one complains of them on the 1911. Every 1911 I own has one. Even those ultra compact ones I own have it. And once again no complaints..........some people just look for something to complain about now days.
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Let's not forget the compact also has a manual safety. Seems s&w skipped over the non safety model of that one lol.


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Compacts without manual safety have been available for a long time.

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Let's not forget the compact also has a manual safety. Seems s&w skipped over the non safety model of that one lol.

Like I've said before. Marketing gimmick is all this is.

And likexplained the above post stated. How come no one complains of them on the 1911. Every 1911 I own has one. Even those ultra compact ones I own have it. And once again no complaints..........some people just look for something to complain about now days.
I guess I have a very rare gun. My compact M&P does not have a safety, would not have bought it otherwise. There is a non safety model available in most states.

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Congradulation on the new gun, I am considering doing the same.
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Let's not forget the compact also has a manual safety. Seems s&w skipped over the non safety model of that one lol.

Like I've said before. Marketing gimmick is all this is.

And likexplained the above post stated. How come no one complains of them on the 1911. Every 1911 I own has one. Even those ultra compact ones I own have it. And once again no complaints..........some people just look for something to complain about now days.
My 9C has no manual safety. Neither does my FS9.
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Congrats on the new gun. My wife won't carry a gun without a safety, so glad I got her a Shield 9mm with one. Personally, I like a gun without, like my XDS 45, but it has a grip safety, which some don't like either. But a safety isn't a deal breaker for me. No matter what gun I carry, I do like my old baseball coach taught me to do in the field- to talk to myself and go over in my mind what I would do if the ball was hit to me. I remind myself what I am carrying and what I need to do in case I have to defend myself.
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My 9C has no manual safety. Neither does my FS9.
What about ur 1911? Lol.

My point is that many weapons have a manual safety. Yet why is the shield a complaint. The 1911 was made long before the shield. Do u see any manual safety complaints. Once again people complain over the dumbest things. Let's find something worth complaning about.

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What about ur 1911? Lol.

My point is that many weapons have a manual safety. Yet why is the shield a complaint. The 1911 was made long before the shield. Do u see any manual safety complaints. Once again people complain over the dumbest things. Let's find something worth complaning about.
Ok, I am complaining that Smith hasn't come out with a .45 Shield to counter the XDS .45. How's that?
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What about ur 1911? Lol.

My point is that many weapons have a manual safety. Yet why is the shield a complaint. The 1911 was made long before the shield. Do u see any manual safety complaints. Once again people complain over the dumbest things. Let's find something worth complaning about.
For one thing I don't have a 1911 and have no desire to have one. The 1911 has at least 2 things I don't like, a manual safety and an external hammer. Your post stated that the compact model did not have a version with out a safety and they do. Many pistols don't have a manual safety. I don't like manual safeties and prefer pistols without them. If you like them good for you. But for those of that don't I like having the option.

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