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Old 07-05-2014, 08:34 AM
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As the title says, are the M&P Shield 40 safe? I have one on order, but just recently seen a few reports on this and other forums about some of them blowing up. Matter of fact, just a few threads down, there's another post about this very problem. Trying to decide between the kahr cw40 or the M&P 40...
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Those incidents about "Blow Ups" and "Ka-Booms" were just a few guns, out of the thousands and thousands of Shield 40s made. Most all with a "Blow Up" can be traced back to a problem with the ammunition, using hand loaded not made to specs, too much setback, too much powder, and old ammunition. Does that mean you wouldn't think about buying a General Motors vehicle, because you heard about the problem with a heavy set of keys, that could cause the ignition to switch off?

I've had my Shield 40 since May 2012, one of the first made. I carry CorBon SD ammunition, which is one of the highest powered SD ammunition available, from a US manufacturer. The CorBon I use specs out at 1325 FPS and 526 Foot Pounds of Energy, with a 135 gr JHP bullet. Check other ammo, and you won't see specs nearly that high, especially the energy. I have fired well over 200 rounds of this ammo, with not one issue. If you use commercial ammunition that meets SAAMI specs, you will not have any problems.

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Not many people write posts on internet forums when they don't have a problem. (notice I said "not many". There are more than a couple of threads about people who have not had a problem). I do know for a fact that S&W tests examples of their pistols to 50,000 rounds as a part of quality control.
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Those incidents about "Blow Ups" and "Ka-Booms" were just a few guns, out of the thousands and thousands of Shield 40s made. Most all with a "Blow Up" can be traced back to a problem with the ammunition, using hand loaded not made to specs, too much setback, too much powder, and old ammunition. Does that mean you wouldn't think about buying a General Motors vehicle, because you heard about the problem with a heavy set of keys, that could cause the ignition to switch off?
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A lot of the Kaboom threads are guns that went kaboom with factory ammo. Only one thread that I recall, the guy could not remember if it went boom with factory or reloads. The factory ammo that S&W has determined to be at fault (because there can be nothing wrong with the gun) is from different manufactures. That being said, I have zero desire to own an 40 Shield because, 1. I don't like the 40 S&W caliber and 2. because of the issues some people have had and S&W's response to them. That is just me though, you have to decide what is best for you.
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Old 07-05-2014, 10:28 AM
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If you use commercial ammunition that meets SAAMI specs, you will not have any problems.Bob
I will add to what Bob says by saying that he is correct. As you are perhaps a new shooter, or one unfamiliar with autos, when Bob mentioned "set-back" he is talking about a bullet seated too deeply in the chamber. This can happen to high quality ammo and is often the result of chambering a round over and over. It can happen in some cases as quickly as three or four chamberings and in others a few more. While it looks neat in the movies to see the good guy loading up every morning before work, it is actually a dangerous practice to repeatedly chamber, eject and re-chamber the same round. Fortunately, you can check for "set-back" by lining up all of the cartridges on a flat surface. Lay a straight edge across the top and safely discard any that are shorter than the rest. Or, you can get a micrometer and measure each round, but that is a drag.

As to the proper condition of your pistol, I suggest that your carry pistol be left loaded and that it be stored in a locking gun box such as Gunvault or similar so that you do not have to re-chamber every time you want to carry. This is, of course, likely to give all sorts of heartburn to people who are concerned about such matters as it is contrary to the way in which ALL firearms that are NOT maintained for instant readiness should be stored. All firearms not maintained for instant readiness should be stored in a locked area or safe, unloaded, with ammo in its original packaging locked in a separate safe or cabinet.

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Old 07-05-2014, 10:32 AM
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A lot of the Kaboom threads are guns that went kaboom with factory ammo. Only one thread that I recall, the guy could not remember if it went boom with factory or reloads. The factory ammo that S&W has determined to be at fault (because there can be nothing wrong with the gun) is from different manufactures. That being said, I have zero desire to own an 40 Shield because, 1. I don't like the 40 S&W caliber and 2. because of the issues some people have had and S&W's response to them. That is just me though, you have to decide what is best for you.
Good advice. I, too, am considering the 40 Shield but am giving pause. Let's say that the ammo was out of specs. That means a lot of more ammo is out there out of specs, running thru the Shield 9mm in some cases, I am sure according to the law of averages. That means, in my book, that there is a design flaw in the Shield 40. Didn't Glock 40s have the same problem at one time? Also, this last one was with 165 grain ammo, which is even more worrisome. I read an article by one of the experts that said no one should ever run 180 grain in a 40 and he gave technical reasons I can't remember, but it was physics according to him. Now if he is right, then I would feel much better with an all steel 40 shield, which they don't make for obvious reasons.
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Good advice. I, too, am considering the 40 Shield but am giving pause. Let's say that the ammo was out of specs. That means a lot of more ammo is out there out of specs, running thru the Shield 9mm in some cases, I am sure according to the law of averages. That means, in my book, that there is a design flaw in the Shield 40. Didn't Glock 40s have the same problem at one time? Also, this last one was with 165 grain ammo, which is even more worrisome. I read an article by one of the experts that said no one should ever run 180 grain in a 40 and he gave technical reasons I can't remember, but it was physics according to him. Now if he is right, then I would feel much better with an all steel 40 shield, which they don't make for obvious reasons.
Yes, Glock did. While researching online, I originally googled "kaboom 40 s&w" and seven old cases where this happened with Glocks at one time too. What bothers me, using logic, if it is the fault of ammo, then why isn't this an issue with the newer Glocks, Kahrs, Taurus, Springfields, and even other S&W that are also chambered in 40s&w? Why isn't this problem being brought up at the same rate on these other forums?
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Old 07-05-2014, 11:09 AM
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Yes, Glock did. While researching online, I originally googled "kaboom 40 s&w" and seven old cases where this happened with Glocks at one time too. What bothers me, using logic, if it is the fault of ammo, then why isn't this an issue with the newer Glocks, Kahrs, Taurus, Springfields, and even other S&W that are also chambered in 40s&w? Why isn't this problem being brought up at the same rate on these other forums?
Yep, that's the elephant in the room that Smith appears unwilling to deal with. Granted, there's not enough kabooms to require a recall. But there's too many, imo, just to sit on your hands. Not sure what the answer is.
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Old 07-05-2014, 11:17 AM
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Some will say these "kabooms" are due to reloads or the ammo. The problem I have is that I've yet to read about these problems with the 9mm. You know shooters are using reloads with the 9mm and not experiencing these blow ups, so there has to be a problem with some of these .40 Shields.
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I was hoping to hear something that would make me feel better about my purchase, but I'm becoming more nervous. Even if it is reloads and bad factory ammo in corroboration with the Shield 40 (which is debatable), it's still not worth the risk owning this particular firearm. I hate to lose my eye sight, dominant hand, or worse, my life based on a hunch that's it is in fact just a fluke having to do with out of sec ammo. Just not worth the risk, and at the very least, it would be nice for s&w to formally address the problem either way.
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Old 07-05-2014, 11:41 AM
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I was hoping to hear something that would make me feel better about my purchase, but I'm becoming more nervous. Even if it is reloads and bad factory ammo in corroboration with the Shield 40 (which is debatable), it's still not worth the risk owning this particular firearm. I hate to lose my eye sight, dominant hand, or worse, my life based on a hunch that's it is in fact just a fluke having to do with out of sec ammo. Just not worth the risk, and at the very least, it would be nice for s&w to formally address the problem either way.
Well said. God or nature, depending on your beliefs, gave us common sense and the sense of danger for a reason. With a handgun, in my short time shooting them, trust is the major issue. Imo, the kabooms will not stop for the shield 40. I hope I am very, very, wrong.
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I have over 10k rounds down range in my .40 shield. Both as a .40 and as a 9mm. Mostly using reloads but I have also ran factory loads through it from time to time. Not a single problem out of mine after all this use.

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I was hoping to hear something that would make me feel better about my purchase, but I'm becoming more nervous.
I'm here to make you feel better...
My Shield .40 has not blown up. I've shot the piss out of it.
You should feel better dropping an attacker with one shot from a .40 than multiple shots from a 9mm.
Send me your Shield .40 and $50 if that will make you feel better.
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I have over 10k rounds down range in my .40 shield. Both as a .40 and as a 9mm. Mostly using reloads but I have also ran factory loads through it from time to time. Not a single problem out of mine after all this use.

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Not many people write posts on internet forums when they don't have a problem. (notice I said "not many". There are more than a couple of threads about people who have not had a problem). I do know for a fact that S&W tests examples of their pistols to 50,000 rounds as a part of quality control.
No way they are testing EVERY gun produced with 50,000 rounds. While they may test the a prototype or three to 50,000 rounds before going into full production that does not preclude some manufacturing defect along the way with a batch of metal used to make barrels for example.

I have read a few of the posts about Shield 40 and agree with the rest of the comments in this thread - just one point to add - there is a theory that because some .40 S&W barrels do not support the entire case, the feed ramp cuts into the rear portion of the chamber, this causes excessive stress on the case when it is fired and that the process of reloading the same case a few times weakens the case to the point where even if the load is correct a blow out or case head separation is more likely to occur with the .40 S&W than others.

I haven't looked closely at the Shield 40 - but I have read that some (Glock for example) have revised their design to have less intrusion of the feed ramp into the chamber.

I do wonder if there is a way to test whether or not a weakened case and or not fully supported chamber could lead to the types of failures that have been reported - or if perhaps other issues such as out of battery detonation are to blame in cases where the powder load was within spec.
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I haven't noticed owners of larger S&W .40 pistols reporting kabooms.
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I'll never understand why people get defensive when others report having problems with a firearm model similar to their own. I'll also will never understand the, "it hasn't happened to me yet, so it will never happen, you're lying about it happening to you, and if it did happen, it must have been your fault" frame of mind either. Regardless of the fact that, for example, 99% of other people were lucky enough to not have had any issues & their firearms have ran just fine, that in itself does not diminish the fact or danger to the other 1%.

For example, Toyota motor company recalled 64 million vehicles world wide for steering and other problems, but I'm will to bet that less than 1% of that 64 million experienced any problems or had any clue of the possible danger. Their cars probably ran perfectly fine.

I have friends of mine that have the exact same model firearm own and have put 100s of rounds through, but they have had issues with mags dropping out on fairly new guns or other issues that I've never experienced.

Just because you personally have not experienced it (yet), does not mean that a problem, whether it be a design flaw or a Q.C. issue, does not need to be addressed.. No reason to become offensive and offended..

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So... Is it too late to cancel your order? Or change it to a 9mm Shield?
You shouldn't get the .40. The seed of doubt has been implanted in your brain and you'll never truly trust it.
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Yah I'm pretty damn tired of hearing shield 40 owners saying that everything is peachy, and that people are crazy for worrying about a kaboom happening to them. Come on... there's obviously an issue out there with the 40sw variant of this gun, I couldn't care less that you've shot x,xxx rounds through your gun without an issue... there is some un-addressed issue going on with the shield 40's that s&w isn't stepping up to the plate on.

And Spring, that comment was just ignorant. Another defensive attempt at a rebuttal by someone that owns a shield 40 but hasn't had an issue with it yet. Is it really that hard to acknowledge that there are shield 40's out there that are popping up with the same types of issues?

I'm about sick of the comments that attempt to discredit anyone that has had an issue with a shield 40. Yes, the percentage of people that report to have had issues may be low, but it is early yet, and not everyone is on forums or posting online about their issues.

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And Spring, that comment was just ignorant. Another defensive attempt at a rebuttal by someone that owns a shield 40 but hasn't had an issue with it yet. Is it really that hard to acknowledge that there are shield 40's out there that are popping up with the same types of issues?

I'm about sick of the comments that attempt to discredit anyone that has had an issue with a shield 40. Yes, the percentage of people that report to have had issues may be low, but it is early yet, and not everyone is on forums or posting online about their issues.

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I just purchased a Shield last week, and I will admit that the kabooms changed my mind about going with the 40 cal. I chose the 9mm instead. I know these catastrophic failures have been few, but I figure most Smith and Wesson owners aren't on this forum. Which means there are likely many kabooms we haven't even heard about. Going with the 9mm just gave me one less thing to worry about. There have been no Shield 9mm kabooms to my knowledge.

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Oh, I'm sorry. Should I not fly on this airplane to Chicago this month because they crash?
Actually I was being lighthearted in my previous comments because I'm relaxing during this holiday. But since you want to be so serious...
Not if that particular model airplane has recent history a of crashes w/o anyone ever looking into finding out what the root cause is, but to each their own.

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A lot of the Kaboom threads are guns that went kaboom with factory ammo. Only one thread that I recall, the guy could not remember if it went boom with factory or reloads. The factory ammo that S&W has determined to be at fault (because there can be nothing wrong with the gun) is from different manufactures. That being said, I have zero desire to own an 40 Shield because, 1. I don't like the 40 S&W caliber and 2. because of the issues some people have had and S&W's response to them. That is just me though, you have to decide what is best for you.

If you don't even like 40's I've got to wonder: Why did you even respond to this thread?
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If you don't even like 40's I've got to wonder: Why did you even respond to this thread?
Because I am interested in what is happening with the Shield. I tried for a year to be friends with the 40 S&W caliber, it just did not work out for me. It does not mean that I am not interested in the Shield threads.

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Trust is a huge deal with an EDC gun. You HAVE to trust it completely. That's why many of us put several hundred rounds of carry ammo through our guns before we depend on it. IMO (and many others) the .40 Shield simply can't be trusted. There are too many other guns that work well to have to depend on something that has a reputation for blowing up. That would always be in the back of my mind. Since I have other guns for EDC, the Shield would never leave the safe if I had it. No thanks!
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Good points. When I was first looking for a Shield I held a 40, loved it and didn't buy because I wanted a 9. Months went by and my local gun stores couldn't get their hands on a 9, so when I saw another Shield in 40, I bought it. This was before I knew about the kabooms. Anyway, mine has been fine and even after I finally found a 9, I continue to carry the 40, but if I didn't trust it, I wouldn't make the purchase.


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Speaking of setback, this "may" be the culprit for many of the "kabooms" seen. Here are 2 pictures, 2nd one I added a height line to show how some can be significantly setback, almost halfway in.
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Speaking of setback, this "may" be the culprit for many of the "kabooms" seen. Here are 2 pictures, 2nd one I added a height line to show how some can be significantly setback, almost halfway in.
Thanks for the pics. I don't have a shield 40, but do have a Witness 40 which is a poly. It's always reasonable to inspect ammo, but even more so with a .40 imo.
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Because I am interested in what is happening with the Shield. I tried for a year to be friends with the 40 S&W caliber, it just did not work out for me. It does not mean that I am not interested in the Shield threads.
But this is a thread about 40 Shields, and you profess to dislike 40's...I still don't understand your response, but never mind.
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In my opinion, take it or leave it, there really aren't a lot of them with catastrophic failures to warrant a "safety recall". I've spent a little time on google and most of the threads about 40 shields on other forums than this are either the same person posting on different forums, or people asking questions like this. My shield 40 has been great since I've had it and I hope it stays that way. While I don't understand why people are saying that others are lying or not giving all the facts as to how their shield failed, for every thread/comment about a shield failing, there are 2-3 people that aren't having problems. There is obviously a problem but to say that all 40 shields suffer from it is kinda off base. I trust my 40 shield but if I didn't have one I would just buy the 9.
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In my opinion, take it or leave it, there really aren't a lot of them with catastrophic failures to warrant a "safety recall". I've spent a little time on google and most of the threads about 40 shields on other forums than this are either the same person posting on different forums, or people asking questions like this. My shield 40 has been great since I've had it and I hope it stays that way. While I don't understand why people are saying that others are lying or not giving all the facts as to how their shield failed, for every thread/comment about a shield failing, there are 2-3 people that aren't having problems. There is obviously a problem but to say that all 40 shields suffer from it is kinda off base. I trust my 40 shield but if I didn't have one I would just buy the 9.
I don't think anyone has said that all shields suffer or will suffer from this. I think people simple want S&W to look into the (potential) problem instead than just pointing fingers and dismissing it. People just do not want to worry about being the next "1" that suffers from this problem even if many others have or will not.
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Ah... There's the thing about researching problems (about almost anything) on forums. One might find hundreds of threads about a particular gun problem, but very often, it's either the same person posting on every forum they can find, or it's people retelling the same (a friend I know) account.

I know of several shield40 reports on this forum that are also on a couple other forums I read. If I didn't know the 0P's name, or recognize the 'carbon copy story, I'd think there was an epidemic of Shield40 Kabooms.

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I have over 10k rounds down range in my .40 shield. Both as a .40 and as a 9mm. Mostly using reloads but I have also ran factory loads through it from time to time. Not a single problem out of mine after all this use.

There's ur answer.
I have both a 9 and a 40 and have done the same, with the same results! I think both are great weapons and will give $101.00 for any Shield that someone wants to get rid of (legally)!
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I have both a 9 and a 40 and have done the same, with the same results! I think both are great weapons and will give $101.00 for any Shield that someone wants to get rid of (legally)!
So because you never had any problems with yours, everyone and anyone who experienced any problem what so ever is a liar? Because you never had a problem with yours, it is utterly impossible for anyone else to experience any problems with their firearm? Should S&W do away with their warranty now based on the fact that you personally never had any problems?

Multiple people many with photos have reported this problem, and the response given by some is to imply and assume that they're lying based on nothing other than their fanboyism. Maybe they are lying, may be it's the ammo, maybe it's a design flaw, or maybe it's a c.s. problem... Who knows, but I think it would be foolish for anyone who owns any firearms to simply dismiss something as dangerous as this based on unfounded assumptions.

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Those incidents about "Blow Ups" and "Ka-Booms" were just a few guns, out of the thousands and thousands of Shield 40s made.

Well, the incidents involving "just a few guns" are just the ones we hear about. I'm pretty sure everyone who suffers through some sort of major gun failure doesn't post it on the Internet.
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Well, the incidents involving "just a few guns" are just the ones we hear about. I'm pretty sure everyone who suffers through some sort of major gun failure doesn't post it on the Internet.
I dunno about that...
Seems like over the past few years, that there are a Bunch of people who's very 1st post to a forum (AND on every forum they can find), is to report their problem, in order to let 'everyone and their brother' know about it.

In fact... There's a Shield40 thread that got posted last week that proves my point. It was the member's very 1st post and I've seen the same thread on a few different forums.
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Well, the incidents involving "just a few guns" are just the ones we hear about. I'm pretty sure everyone who suffers through some sort of major gun failure doesn't post it on the Internet.
Not really buying that argument. I may be wrong, but if you have a popular pistol, by a major manufacturer blow up in your hand, your not sitting on that info. Either you're searching, or someone you told is searching, and this is one of the first places you'll find. People find this forum every day searching for a lot less important stuff. The other thing is, I don't think anyone has called all these guys liars. I personally don't think there is anything wrong with trying to get all pertinent information, and being skeptical if something doesn't sound right, and also adding the fact that you haven't had a problem with yours. The real danger is when people stop asking questions, and take everything a stranger says on the internet as the gospel truth.
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I personally don't think there is anything wrong with trying to get all pertinent information, and being skeptical if something doesn't sound right, and also adding the fact that you haven't had a problem with yours. The real danger is when people stop asking questions, and take everything a stranger says on the internet as the gospel truth.
You mean... It may NOT be true, if it's on the internet???
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You mean... It may NOT be true, if it's on the internet???
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So if it may not be true if it's on the internet, then your post may not be true. I am so confused!
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yeah I am in the same pickle as the OP. I fell inlove with the shield. I love the .40 cartridge, and have a safe full of thestuff to shoot, so if its a shield, its gonna be in .40. My problem is that there DOES seem to be something wrong with the gun, that is why I did not purchase one yet.
1) an injction process barrel may not be strong enough
2) with the injection process barrel, there may be some "weak" barrels with microcrcks from the poor injection process. Hence the "I've shot 7 million rounds out of my shield" where the next guy almost gets his hand tanken off after 20 rounds.
3) the unsupported barrel theory. This one irks me the most. If S&W were serious about safety, why stone wall these failures or blame the ammo. Hey, it is not that hard to reengineer the barrel support of the full cartridge...why has that not happened yet?
4) not sure if they are troll posts or not, but it seems that instead of replacing a gun that went kabloom in the overnight mail, they offer to sell you one for $330? Jeez, whoever is running their marketing department probably failed to graduate highschool. So much bad will there. Millions of dollar in bad publicity.
5) a big recall of guns made before august 2013, means getting a used one is not advised.

I am starting to think it is not worth the grief. Looking at bigger guns, like the HK P2000sk now, maybe ruger, xps, walther.

IF S&W came out with a believable report on what is going on, and outlined their corrective action to fix the problem...maybe with independent lab corroboration....I would feel differently.

I guess its time to stop thinking about the shield 40

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yeah I am in the same pickle as the OP. I fell inlove with the shield. I love the .40 cartridge, and have a safe full of thestuff to shoot, so if its a shield, its gonna be in .40. My problem is that there DOES seem to be something wrong with the gun, that is why I did not purchase one yet.
1) an injction process barrel may not be strong enough
2) with the injection process barrel, there may be some "weak" barrels with microcrcks from the poor injection process. Hence the "I've shot 7 million rounds out of my shield" where the next guy almost gets his hand tanken off after 20 rounds.
3) the unsupported barrel theory. This one irks me the most. If S&W were serious about safety, why stone wall these failures or blame the ammo. Hey, it is not that hard to reengineer the barrel support of the full cartridge...why has that not happened yet?
4) not sure if they are troll posts or not, but it seems that instead of replacing a gun that went kabloom in the overnight mail, they offer to sell you one for $330? Jeez, whoever is running their marketing department probably failed to graduate highschool. So much bad will there. Millions of dollar in bad publicity.
5) a big recall of guns made before august 2013, means getting a used one is not advised.

I am starting to think it is not worth the grief. Looking at bigger guns, like the HK P2000sk now, maybe ruger, xps, walther.

IF S&W came out with a believable report on what is going on, and outlined their corrective action to fix the problem...maybe with independent lab corroboration....I would feel differently.

I guess its time to stop thinking about the shield 40
Well, you've made 3 posts and in 2 of them you say you should buy something else. Maybe you should.
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I have not had any trouble with my Shield 40. But I am going to take precautions. Not just for the Shield 40, but shooting any handgun. I just ordered Revision Military Sawfly Military Kit protective eye glasses. Any gun or ammo may cause a Kaboom.
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Perhaps a 3rd Gen 4013 would be a better choice.......many also love their M&P .40 C as well if you insist on .40 S&W......or the ULTIMATE CCW...... a 3913!! (9mm)

You obviously have no trust in the Shield....

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PS. If it is on the internet is HAS to be true doesn't it?
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Well, you've made 3 posts and in 2 of them you say you should buy something else. Maybe you should.
I was hoping someone would talk me into it. I initially loved the gun. But I guess I have decided now.
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I was hoping someone would talk me into it. I initially loved the gun. But I guess I have decided now.
Same here... No one has addressed the accusations other than to imply that because it's on the internet. Not worth the risk to me.
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While a student at the S&W Academy, I was called upon to try to disassemble a Glock .40 kaboom where the owner alleged was caused by S&W ammunition. At the time, I was a certified Glock armorer.

Once we got it apart, we discovered the cause of the kaboom: the owner was using warm hand loads with all-lead bullets, thoroughly fouling the bore. He thought he could clean out the lead by then firing some jacketed ammo. The leading provided sufficient resistance to raise pressures with the result that the gun blew up. The Shield did not exist at the time but I'm sure that any polymer-frame handgun would have failed. Also, the Glock has polygonal rifling and Glock warns not to use all lead bullets in their products.

I offer this to advise anyone using all lead bullets that you need to inspect and clean the bore before switching to jacketed bullets.
My S&W M&P .45 leaded up using commercially cast bullets loaded to modest velocities. I know to watch for it and to clean it before loading up with SD ammo.
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Same here... No one has addressed the accusations other than to imply that because it's on the internet. Not worth the risk to me.
If you've read every post on this issue, and that's the only conclusion you came to, then you have blinders on, and cant be helped. Since probably none of us work for S&W, how do you suggest we address the accusations made at S&W? The only way I can think of is to point out how few there are, pose questions to the OP concerning every little detail, bring up that fact that some people in this world are less than honest sometimes, and highlight all the success that other people have had. Every one of these things has been done, done, done and done ad nauseam. If you like the Shield, but still have concerns about the .40, get a 9mm.

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