So I got a new M&P9 Pro CORE and I thought of something after reading a thread tonight.

What happens if something needs repaired on my gun and I have to send it to S&W for warranty service or replacement etc.?

Since it's no longer on the CA. Approved Roster List anymore will there be any issues?

Maybe if it can be repaired etc. it may not be an issue but what if say the lower needs replaced due to major crack etc. and it;s a new serial# (not sure if that is how this works or not) but the gun is no longer on the approved list what happens then?

I know I can still get this gun using SSE ... But SSE bill has been signed and that will be illegal come Jan.1st 14' so there is no way to do that if this would happen say after next year.

Just trying to get an idea of how that all works and how S&W warranties a gun that's in CA when it;s no longer on the list and SSE is gone?

Thanks so much and I look forward to your replies!

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M&P9 Shield, M&P9 CORE, S&W.38

... good question, I'm on the same boat as you with my various collection of M&Ps that were obtained through SSE.

*subscribed*

There are a few threads about that point to this scenario being a problem. A new firearm from S&W (with a new S/N) will need to go through an FFL. If the SKU is not on the roster can the FFL do the paperwork? A related question in my mind: what's the SKU of a bare handgun? The S&Ws on the roster are designated by SKU which seems to be associated with a combination of the handgun and original kit. Said differently, when you get a replacement handgun what's the SKU look like?

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M&P22,2x40-his
M&P22,2x9-hers

i'm not in CA, but would S&W (or guess the other manufacturers as well) have an "official" notice on this concern, in how they are able to deal with it for their consumers who are in CA? Seems they'd have to have a plan to put in place as I'm sure they cant stop warranty coverage based on one's address.

just a thought...

I would have to believe that if your firearm is damaged and requires replacement of the frame and therefore the SN#, and that gun is no longer on the list I would believe that it could not be sent back to you. It could be sent to a FFL and they could sell it for you out of state. Logic would say that it was approved and legal in the state, the repair does NOT change the characteristics of the gun ( safety ) so it would in fact be the "same" legal gun that was sent to SW. I hope that in the law it does allow for that contingency, I was unable to find the law on doj website. Maybe a call to NRA-ILA or a firearms Atty could give you the info. Wish you the best. Be Safe,

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I BACK OUR BLUE

It should not matter. The restrictions are for sales of new guns. Since you own the gun, it is a legal gun in CA, and repairs to the gun would not change its status. It was on the list when you bought it. CA has not changed the law so that non-conforming guns must be turned in or disposed. You know that would not happen with the majority of gun owners, and so do the lawmakers. There are thousands of guns that no longer meet CA's strict rules, but they are still legal to own and use.

As far a total replacement, that is another issue. The replacement gun would have to be sent to a FFL, for the transfer. You would not be buying the gun, but only replacing the gun. But how the laws would affect or even allow the transfer is a question. Any FFL holder in CA, would likely be able to answer that question, as they risk losing their license, if they do not follow the law.

Bob

Not in CA but one of her sister states ny. I feel your pain and wish you the best.

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I live in California and had a gun (LCR) replaced by Ruger.

They sent the replacement gun to the gun store (Sportsmans Warehouse) and the store processed it as a sale back to me for $1.

Now LCRs are on the approved list, but if not then SW would never have been able to do this.

Worst case S&W would have to give you a credit towards another gun that is on the list.

Trouble is, that soon there won't be any semi-autos on the California list. They should all fall off within another year.

I think you worry too much. If you continually think about what might happen, you're going to find yourself sitting in a corner waiting for an airliner engine to fall through your roof. Worry about things you can control and enjoy life.

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Minimize the variables

Yes I understand they treated your LCR as a sale, for $1. But what you quoted was for a repaired gun. I also wrote that a full replacement gun could be treated differently. The larger manufacturers, like S&W, would know what they would be allowed to ship, as would the local FFL know what could be transferred. S&W is not going to violate a state law, and the FFL is not going to risk his license either.

Bob

It was a full replacement. I sent my first LCR in for repair, and they said it couldn't be fixed and scrapped it.

Ruger sent Sportsmans Warehouse a totally new gun with a new serial number and that is what was transferred to me.

I don't worry brother ... I prepare!!!

G.I. Joe always told me "Knowing Is Half The Battle"

Better to be prepared and informed now then to figure it out if and when it ever happens and be behind the 8ball.

I enjoy life life always ... NOTHING wrong with being prepared, EVER.

Keep the info coming guys ... really curious about this since I thought in the back of my mind I had a warranty which my state may void somehow seems like if a replacement is ever necessary.

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M&P9 Shield, M&P9 CORE, S&W.38

I was thinking of worrying/preparing for unlikely events. Looking at your signature line listing your S&W products, I don't recall any posts in this forum about any of them having to be replaced. It could happen, but all I see being talked about is the Shield in .40 cal. I think if I was in your situation (in CA) I'd be more concerned about the "Staatspolezei" knocking on your door and confiscating your AR. I can't even imagine living there anymore (I was born there, went to college there, and worked there for a while). Now if this thread is just a "what if" kind of thing, I can understand that, but the real possibility of having to replace the complete pistol is quite remote (in my experience, I put around 60K rounds through mine every year).

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Minimize the variables

It's a "What If" thread.

A few people have voiced they are wondering the same as well already so I'm not the only one ... that's what a forum is for .... we ask questions looking for answers ... not a answer saying to "not worry about it".

Glad you got out up to good ol' WA. (which I love BTW, lived in Port Orchard for a few years when I was younger, beautiful place) ..... but us unfortunate Californians have to deal with it and I am not the only one obviously wondering this as this is a concern I can't find discussed anywhere and how it would all play out considering our states horrific laws.

I'm gonna call S&W to see if those guys can give me a better answer and see what they say ... doubt I will get a definite but who knows.

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M&P9 Shield, M&P9 CORE, S&W.38

IANAL!!

However, Generally speaking, a *repaired* firearm can be sent directly back to the owner as long as the owner is not a prohibited person.

A *replaced* firearm must be transferred through a CA FFL. At that time, the roster applies. If the handgun is not on the roster, the FFL can, if they are properly licensed, convert it to single shot, and process the transaction under SSE. You may (likely) have to pay the associated fees.

But, as you noted, SSE goes away 1/1/2015. So this will be out. The manufacturer may replace your handgun with a CA approved model if available or provide some kind of refund.

Otherwise, you're SOL.

I'm not aware that COREs were ever on the roster. My FS and Compact were when I bought them. My 9c is already off and the FS in a few weeks.

Naturally, this applies only to those of us subject to the roster in the first place. If you're an LEO, you're already exempt.

As has already been noted, a repair is a non-issue. The worst that could happen is that the frame needs to be replaced. The manufacturer could put the original serial number on the new frame. Thus, it would essentially be the same gun and could be shipped back directly to the owner.

I doubt that S&W will do that.

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Freedom isn't free.

Simple fix. Move the hell out of that nutjob state. How anyone that owns firearms can live there is beyond me. I was sentenced there for 2 years for a military assignment. I volunteered to go do a UN mission in freaking Serbia just to get paroled. Stopped the car and kissed the Nevada ground as I crossed the state line heading across the country..

Not completely true/accurate. S&W will continue to have CA compliant M&P Shields and SVDE series pistols on the roster, per this statement in the S&W announcement regarding the CA Microstamping Legislation:

"Both the M&P Shield and the SDVE pistols are expected to remain on the California Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale as long as no changes are made to those models and the company does not plan to make changes to them for this reason."

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Conrad
SWCA #1830 SWHF #222

Yes - they can stop warranty coverage if the gun can't legally be shipped back.

Ruger has just such a notice. I would think the warranty might become you getting shipped back a gun on the roster...

Talk about over worrying a non-existent problem!

If S&W cannot provide you with a CURRENT on-Roster gun they'll offer you the most closely associated ON-Roster gun...it's that simple.

This coming from a non-Californian obviously.

FYI S&W has pulled out of CA 100% on handgun sales ... as of I think August something the FS is one of the last current on roster guns that will fall off the list this month.

SO your "They'll offer me a closely associated On-Roster gun" means nothing cause There Is NO MORE "ON-ROSTER" Handguns In CA. from S&W!

So ... Ya .... Not That Simple.

That's my issue I bought a gun with a warranty and really based on CA. laws it seems as if my warranty from S&W is basically void due to this horrible states laws.

Still have yet to call S&W but I will update with they say after I do as I know many CA. guys who have purchased a S&W gun as of late like me (I have bought two, an M&P9 CORE and and M&P15 AR-15) would like to know how this is gonna work for the handgun warranty (the AR is still good to so I'm okay there) recently purchased and how they will warranty with them pulling out CA.

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M&P9 Shield, M&P9 CORE, S&W.38

These statements are not only flat out wrong on their face but in the conclusions you draw.

S&W will continue to offer the Shield in both 9mm and .40 cal as well as the SD9/40 for the foreseeable future unless something else drives a product change or there are further changes in the law. They have made this quite public.

The microstamping requirement does NOT apply to revolvers. S&W recently renewed quite a few.

Yes you are correct I did forget about the Shields.

And maybe saying handguns obviously lumped all of em together ... I was speaking more about non-revolver handguns.

But as far as ANY regular semi-auto striker fired pistol minus the shield are gone! There is nothing in the closely associated category that is available now in CA like a CORE.

Anyway this thread has got a but much.
Once I found out the exact details on all of this I will post what I find, I just created this to see if anyway knew but obviously not a single person has a clue including myself so I will look into further myself. Thanks

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M&P9 Shield, M&P9 CORE, S&W.38

My apologies if I came on strong. You correct that except for the CA Shield, all M&Ps will go off roster soon. With SSE ending 1/1/2015, any non-roster pistols will be very tough to come by.

Of course, this is only CA so most are unaffected (aka, could care less).

Time to move out of kommie state pilgrim.

Using the XD-S recall as an example... The XD-S (without a single-shot exemption mod) is not on the list, but those in CA that owned a (converted back to 'regular') XD-S were able to participate in their recall with no issue. I'm guessing that Anyone who legally owns a Shield would be able to obtain Warranty work done without issue as well.
Options would most likely be to box it up (would recommend a plain FedEx/UPS box of the appropriate size) and ship it back yourself, or (what I do)... Take it to your FFL/LGS and let THEM ship it for you (and have it shipped back to them for you to pick up).

Ya know... You COULD just ask your local FFL.

Sent from my Transformer TF101

First step will be using an instate Warrenty Station instead of automatically shipping back to S&W . A mfg *could* afix the old s/n to a new frame upon destroying defective frame, but it is not the current practice of S&W , nor most mfg. I know this is a S&W discussion board , but Ruger is already mention above. Ruger is notorous among Ruger owners/ fans/ collector for declaring a gun unrepairable, and offering a check/ credit towrds a current gun. While refusing to return the origional gun. Thought among Ruger owners is that if one NOS part is out of stock , they will total the gun. All this is offered to show the advantages of sending your gun for service to a skilled independent gunsmith in your jurisdiction. Yeah , you have to pay his fees , but you have more control over the destiny of your gun.

And not to be *that guy* , but the basic bottom line is you need to examine your basic priorities in life : Balance love of climate , family responsabilities , or being single digit years away from a good pension vs living in America.

I'd move . . .

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

It isn't as easy as that. Yeah this state is a mess and I don't see it getting any better in the foreseeable future, but there are reasons that I will not bother debating about that keep me here.

I am subscribing as I would like to know if a "repair" will be allowed back in the state if it's no longer approved for sale. A reference to a legal code will suffice.

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Not enough space

I'm working on it ... Trying to gather full facts before I reply.

I paid good damn money for this gun WITH a warranty ... I want to make sure I'm covered so I'll get to the bottom of it and reply with my findings and where I got the info from.

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M&P9 Shield, M&P9 CORE, S&W.38

When have you ever seen a gun law that makes any sense?

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John

You bought it while it WAS on the list. It's 'Grandfathered' in.
While I can't quote you page and paragraph, I can point you to the Calguns website/forum who CAN quote you the facts.

Wrong! Until a change is made to a gun It will be re- submitted before it falls off of the list. Only when a change is made is a gun required to include micro stamping.

The L.A.S.O. has standardized on the 9mm M&P.

Sorry, but what Saudade said is correct. S&W has generated a policy letter saying that they will not renew any of their pistol certificates on the Safe Handgun list. The only exceptions are the CA Shield and the SVDE. So, even though S&W could resubmit the M&P, they won't.

Also, it's true that the LA Sheriff has gone over to the M&P 9mm. Unfortunately for the rest of us, it has no bearing on gun availability. Law Enforcement is exempt from following the micro-stamp requirement or the Safe Handgun list. S&W will still sell the M&P line to the law enforcement community.

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Freedom isn't free.

Smith & Wesson has what they call a summer shut-down from July 28th to August 8th (for what who the hell knows)

So no one is available to help.

I'll try next week.

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M&P9 Shield, M&P9 CORE, S&W.38

I am not sure the gun, if a new serial#, has to go thru a FFL. I had a Kahr P380 go to them, they sent it back to me directly with a new frame and serial#. Of course it was on roster, but does the manufactured care, as long as you own the gun legally? I recently sent an early release Kel-Tec back to them, they replaced everything but the frame, sent it back to me directly, it is off roster also.
Roger