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Old 06-12-2015, 01:09 AM
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Of my three M&Ps (.45, .40, and 40C) my M&P45 has the heaviest trigger, in spite of installing an Apex trigger in it. In contrast, the stock trigger in my recent production M&P40, and the trigger in my first year production 40C are fantastic.

Does the M&P45 have an inherently worse (heavier) trigger pull than the .40S&W models?

My M&P40 and M&45 are both recent production and close to brand new, and yet the M&P45 trigger pull is much heavier, much less desireable.

The M&P40 trigger is stock and feels wonderful, as does my older 40C... but my M&P45 trigger sucks, in comparison.

Any thoughts on this?
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Old 06-12-2015, 02:57 PM
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Yes it is heavier. Large pistol primers require a harder hit to ignite hence the striker spring is heavier resulting in a heavier trigger pull.

Using an apex sear and stock springs, I can get about a 4.5 # pull with the .45. I haven't been able to beat that without lighter springs.
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Old 06-12-2015, 05:57 PM
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Yes it is heavier. Large pistol primers require a harder hit to ignite hence the striker spring is heavier resulting in a heavier trigger pull.

Using an apex sear and stock springs, I can get about a 4.5 # pull with the .45. I haven't been able to beat that without lighter springs.
I thought most ammo makers had switched to small pistol primers for 45acp.

I, too, have an M&P45 with a 4.25lb-ish trigger pull after just putting in an Apex Sear (stock springs). Feels great to me.
Have an Apex Competition Kit for a second M&P45 that's been long long overdue (bought from USATac 3 weeks ago and still haven't received it. Angry letter being written right now.)
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Old 06-12-2015, 06:20 PM
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One reason my last pistol was a SIG p320
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Old 06-12-2015, 06:20 PM
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Thanks... I had a feeling it might be due to needing more impact on the large pistol primer.

I haven't measured the pull weight yet... I will do that now.
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My M&p 45 does have the worst trigger I have ever pulled. Having owned S&W revolvers and 3rd Gen autos I was spoiled I guess. It is still a fun pistol to shoot if you can get used to that gritty feeling trigger. The apex kit supposedly helps.
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Old 06-12-2015, 08:52 PM
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My memory seems to have failed me. I must not have the Apex kit in this pistol. Trigger pull weight is off (above) the 8# trigger pull scale on my instrument. That REALLY sucks.

The triggers in my M&P40C and M&P40 are wonderful.... they're fantastic. My 40C (first generation!) has had a lot of rounds through it, but my 40 full size is like new and pure factory. S&W must be doing pretty well with the triggers on the new M&P nines and forties. Perhaps not so much so with the 45's.

I bought the M&P45C back when it looked like a 10-rnd limit on mags might be imposed (and it still may) and I wanted an M&P which would be a sensible response to a 10-round mag limit. Like many others were thinking, if I am limited to a 10-round mag, .45acp makes a lot of sense.

If I can't get the trigger in my M&P45C to be a lot closer to those on my M&P 40s, I think I may switch the gun up for something else, like a second M&P40C.

Suggestions on what to do to make this M&P45 trigger MUCH better?

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Old 06-13-2015, 11:48 PM
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OK.... need your help here.

My M&P4C has the Apex Ultimate Striker Block installed. And I found, as yet not installed - still in the packaging, the Apex M&P45 "Fully Machined Sear".

SO it appears that this M&P45C has the Ultimate Striker Block only and no other mods. Trigger pull is higher than my scale of 8#.

If I install this "Fully Machined Sear" what will I gain by that? Will the trigger pull weight be improved any?

I've got to get this pull weight down to a reasonable number, so... what will do that for me?
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Old 06-14-2015, 12:04 AM
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OK.... need your help here.

My M&P4C has the Apex Ultimate Striker Block installed. And I found, as yet not installed - still in the packaging, the Apex M&P45 "Fully Machined Sear".

SO it appears that this M&P45C has the Ultimate Striker Block only and no other mods. Trigger pull is higher than my scale of 8#.

If I install this "Fully Machined Sear" what will I gain by that? Will the trigger pull weight be improved any?

I've got to get this pull weight down to a reasonable number, so... what will do that for me?
The Fully Machined Sear all by itself took my 7.5lb trigger pull down to 4.25lb.

It's an easy install if you have the proper punch.

-Clear firearm
-Remove slide
-Remove roll pin in the beavertail part
-Wiggle up the sear housing block assembly
-Slide out pin holding in the stock sear (be mindful of the sear spring/plunger underneath the sear)
-Swap sears and reverse to reassemble
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Old 06-14-2015, 01:52 AM
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McE.... no doubt, my next move, since it's sitting right here, is to install the fully machined sear! I have the tools and plenty of similar experience with my Glocks and 1911s. Will do! And thanks for the encouraging comment (7.5# down to 4.25# is quite significant.) If I can get this one from 8+# to 5# with this simple swap, I will be thrilled.

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All my M&P45s are a couple years old. All are Apexed. All have great trigger pulls around ~4lbs and crisp.
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Old 06-14-2015, 07:40 PM
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Oh.... my.... Lord! Fantastic. Installed the Apex Fully Machined Sear in the M&P45C this afternoon and the trigger pull instantly dropped from over 8 lbs (probably 9, as my trigger pull scale only goes to 8 lbs.) down to 4.5#.

It's like an entirely new gun now. In the same league (for me) trigger pull-wise with my M&P40 and M&P40C.

I haven't fired it yet, but will soon. There's a very good chance that this 45C will be in carry rotation with the M&P40 and M&P40C.

Thanks to you all for the comments.

When I bought the 45C, two years ago, I also purchased the Apex Ultimate Striker Block and Apex Fully Machined Sear. I installed the Striker Block, but not the sear. Then the gun sat in reserve in the safe for a couple of years. In the meantime, I move from Washington State to Arizona and had forgotten that I had not installed the sear, so I was a bit baffled this week, as to why the pull was so bad. It took much searching through boxes (my gun stuff got into some disarray during the move) before I finally found the uninstalled Apex sear.

Now, all is great with the 45C and I can't wait to shoot it later this week! It shot well for me last week with the 9# trigger, so I think I will be amazed at how well it shoots now with the 4.5# trigger. This sear actually brings the trigger somewhat close to the pull on several of my 1911s, which is fantastic.

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Something to consider and tinker with is the Apex trigger as well. Was skeptical at first, but had an extra trigger bar and decided to install it for curiosity. I like the fact the over-travel is a little more stable than the stock trigger. All my M&Ps have them now.

As far as the Sig320 comment above. Held one, nice firearm, doesn't trip my trigger. Hate fat grips and skinny slides. Trigger pull was smooth, but broke way too far forward for my taste. Not sure it is adjustable, or can be tinkered with, like the M&P. Won't be sitting next to my Ultra, RCS, or P938 any time soon.
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ultratec... one of the things I really like about the M&Ps is the wide smooth-face trigger shoe... I dislike the little safety-thingy in the center of the shoe like the Glock trigger shoes have.

Does the Apex trigger shoe have a nice, smooth face like the stock M&P shoe does?
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I know what you mean about the glock trigger. My G21 was down right uncomfortable and I hated the tab. The motion, and angle, of the glock trigger caused the tab to dig into my trigger finger something fierce.

The Apex trigger does have a tab, but it's smaller, and the trigger pull is totally different than that of a glock. Less overall trigger travel. I'm like you, at first glance it was "yuck" but let me try it for *hits and grins. Once I tried it, wouldn't go back. If you watch the Apex video on the trigger and listen to their methodology, it makes sense. The polymer trigger runs around $40 shipped, the aluminum around $80.

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ultratec... one of the things I really like about the M&Ps is the wide smooth-face trigger shoe... I dislike the little safety-thingy in the center of the shoe like the Glock trigger shoes have.

Does the Apex trigger shoe have a nice, smooth face like the stock M&P shoe does?
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I know what you mean about the glock trigger. My G21 was down right uncomfortable and I hated the tab. The motion, and angle, of the glock trigger caused the tab to dig into my trigger finger something fierce.

The Apex trigger does have a tab, but it's smaller, and the trigger pull is totally different than that of a glock. Less overall trigger travel. I'm like you, at first glance it was "yuck" but let me try it for *hits and grins. Once I tried it, wouldn't go back. If you watch the Apex video on the trigger and listen to their methodology, it makes sense. The polymer trigger runs around $40 shipped, the aluminum around $80.
I just might have to give that a try! But I sure do like the triggers on my M&Ps as they are (40 and 40C) and with the Apex sear (45C).

With 10+1 configuration and 8-round mag separate.


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