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Old 08-28-2014, 04:48 PM
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I just shot a couple hundred rounds through my new 9mm Shield and am not really impressed with it. The trigger has a really (what I think) lomg hard pull. Because of that, I am not accurate at all with this gun. Have any of you had trouble or dislike the hard pull and what can I do to improve it without spending an arm and a leg? I have a Springfield XD40 compact that really has a sweet trigger pull. If I could get this trigger like that one, I would love this gun. Thanks!
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I also have the Shield and am not real happy with the trigger. Matter of fact when I tried my friend's Walther PPQ M2 I was almost stunned at the difference. So, I am on the hunt for a trigger "fix" and am looking forward to a reply to your question. I normally carry a Glock 19 that has been modified and it is vastly improved over stock. However, I like the feel and balance of the Shield and if I can get the trigger right, it will most probably be my carry gun. Waiting (not so) patiently.
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After a few Hundred rounds through mine, it smoothed out to a nice 5.5# (approx)... Just about as nice as my G26. I wouldn't really want it lighter than 5#.
I never really thought of the trigger as being a long, or heavy pull to begin with though.
For just a couple hrs of your time, you could try the Burwell's M&P Trigger job.
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My 9MM shield has a very smooth trigger
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After shooting my Ruger LC380 for a year or so I find the trigger on the 9mmShield very comfortable. It is not a competition weapon and for self defense I find the trigger just about right.
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Compared to my XDs 9 the trigger on my shield is gem.
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I just shot a couple hundred rounds through my new 9mm Shield and am not really impressed with it. The trigger has a really (what I think) lomg hard pull. Because of that, I am not accurate at all with this gun. Have any of you had trouble or dislike the hard pull and what can I do to improve it without spending an arm and a leg? I have a Springfield XD40 compact that really has a sweet trigger pull. If I could get this trigger like that one, I would love this gun. Thanks!
Do you have a Massachusetts Shield with the required 10 lb trigger?
That's what I had to buy and had to get a trigger job, many install an apex trigger kit. Huge difference and well worth it.
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I bought my Shield from a store in Minnesota. I think it has the normal trigger and I really don't care for it. i might contact S & W to see if they can do something with it.
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After a few Hundred rounds through mine, it smoothed out to a nice 5.5# (approx)... Just about as nice as my G26. I wouldn't really want it lighter than 5#.
I never really thought of the trigger as being a long, or heavy pull to begin with though.
For just a couple hrs of your time, you could try the Burwell's M&P Trigger job.
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Thanks for the link, but that is above my talent level.
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I also have the Shield and am not real happy with the trigger. Matter of fact when I tried my friend's Walther PPQ M2 I was almost stunned at the difference. So, I am on the hunt for a trigger "fix" and am looking forward to a reply to your question. I normally carry a Glock 19 that has been modified and it is vastly improved over stock. However, I like the feel and balance of the Shield and if I can get the trigger right, it will most probably be my carry gun. Waiting (not so) patiently.
If you find a fix, please let me know.
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My new one is a little over 7lbs after 200 rounds, don't know if I want to spend the money for a APEX S&W SHIELD CARRY KIT......
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If you have the mechanical aptitude and know-how, just polish your trigger system.

You don't have to take any metal off or change sear geometries.

I polished the trigger on my M&P9c and it dropped from 9 to 5.5 pounds.

The sear and striker engagement areas were really really rough.
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I bought my Shield from a store in Minnesota. I think it has the normal trigger and I really don't care for it. i might contact S & W to see if they can do something with it.
What is the SKU on the box? SKU's of 180050 and 180051 are guns compliant with the People's Repbulik of Massachusetts. Perhaps there was a MA compliant pistol in the mix.

The trigger on my Shield is about 6 pounds, which is normal.
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My Shield 9MM trigger pull was horrid and verified by other shooters AND other Shield owners. After installing an APEX hard sear only, plus getting the round count to 865 - Voila! Much more accurate for me. I discovered using the very tip (and I mean very tip) of my trigger finger revealed POA is now POI. Plenty accurate (with my reloads) for a carry gun out to 20 yards and I'm pleased. But it took some work. Good luck!
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Yeah I mean no disrespect or contradiction, but I've really liked the trigger. I bought my M&P Shield not 'out of the blue' but sort of, it came to me when I decided I needed a dedicated EDC gun, and I took a month to make a thorough search, and then without prior S&W/M&P experience (Outside say my Dad's Chief's Special or my 15-22) I just jumped.

I could not be luckier because it's exactly and I mean exactly what I need and all I want... virtually perfect really so far... Including the Trigger- I was very surprised and very happy. I am not the type of person to spout off trigger lbs. (nor measure nor really even care) but I do take notice to the weight and smoothness etc. I really like this trigger.

I also have read how they do sort of smooth out with use as you get into hundreds of rounds, which makes sense. But maybe you can try the Apex products for the trigger if you really don't like it?

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I just shot a couple hundred rounds through my new 9mm Shield and am not really impressed with it. The trigger has a really (what I think) lomg hard pull. Because of that, I am not accurate at all with this gun. Have any of you had trouble or dislike the hard pull and what can I do to improve it without spending an arm and a leg? I have a Springfield XD40 compact that really has a sweet trigger pull. If I could get this trigger like that one, I would love this gun. Thanks!
Is it the no thumb safety model? I swear they made the trigger stiffer on the no safety model. Unfortunately I don't have my old shield to compare it with. I bought the apex sear for $41 on midway and installed it yesterday and the trigger feels 3lb lighter. I'll have the opportunity over the weekend to test the trigger pull to see exactly what it is.
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My new one is a little over 7lbs after 200 rounds, don't know if I want to spend the money for a APEX S&W SHIELD CARRY KIT......
Just buy the sear. It drops the pull weight and only adds a small amount of pre travel.
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Triggers are too hard, thought they were susposed to be better, may sell mine and get something else. Mine is around 7 lbs, way too hard.
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Triggers are too hard, thought they were susposed to be better, may sell mine and get something else. Mine is around 7 lbs, way too hard.
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I went from carrying an XD9sc to the Shield. I don't find mine bad at all. In fact, here is the target from the first 150 rounds:
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What is the SKU on the box? SKU's of 180050 and 180051 are guns compliant with the People's Repbulik of Massachusetts. Perhaps there was a MA compliant pistol in the mix.

The trigger on my Shield is about 6 pounds, which is normal.
My SKU is 180021. Thanks for the info though.
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Do you have a link to purchase the sear?
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Do you have a link to purchase the sear?
Here ya go.

Apex Tactical Hard Sear S&W M&P 9mm Luger 357 Sig 40 S&W Steel

https://apextactical.com/store/produ...php?pid18.html
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I just put the Apex hard sear for the M&P 45c in mine and dropped the pull from 9.9 lbs. to 5.5. The same hard sear for the 45c also works in the Shield. I dropped the Shield trigger pull from 6.7 to 5.2 lbs. They both have an excellent reset and work very well. Watch the videos that are on line, the ones from Apex. It took me about 20 min. for the first and 10 min. for the second. Take you time its not hard to do.
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Don't dwell on the trigger...sight picture and shooting lots of ammo is the key. Some people that don't shoot well blame the trigger...other people that don't shoot well blame the gun!
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I keep saying, before buying a new sear, just polish the rear face that contacts the striker, and polish the striker face.

Doing those two things dropped my trigger pull significantly.

They come out of the factory very rough.

Mine looked horrible, now you can use it as a mirror.
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After a few Hundred rounds through mine, it smoothed out to a nice 5.5# (approx)... Just about as nice as my G26. I wouldn't really want it lighter than 5#.
I never really thought of the trigger as being a long, or heavy pull to begin with though.
For just a couple hrs of your time, you could try the Burwell's M&P Trigger job.
S&W M&P Trigger Job

Thanks for posting that...just read thru the whole PDF...wow awesome... very instructional and taught me a lot about how the gun functions and how the different parts interface.

I am debating whether I should attempt this or buy new parts from Apex. I would really love to just try polishing the parts but I don't really trust myself to take my gun apart without f***ing something up. Makes me wish I two shields so I could have one as a project gun.
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My 9MM shield has a very smooth trigger
Same with mine.
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Neither of my Shields have as nice of a trigger as my old 40c, but it's just a matter of degree. All my M&Ps are stuffed with Apex, and even then there are differences.
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Talked with Smith and Wesson. Sending the gun back for them to look at. Will post results when I get it back
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Compared to a couple other subcompacts in 9mm that I tried out I felt the trigger on the shield to be " not bad at all but maybe not GREAT " ....

After I bought a Shield 9mm and ran several hundred rounds through it I decided the trigger was actually quite decent. I was planning to put in the Apex sear kit but now I feel good with the factory trigger and will keep it the way it is.
Maybe it's some getting used to it myself AND some parts wearing in a little bit.... but I declare it " good to go " .
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I must have gotten luck, as some other's have, because I love the trigger. I have close to 1000 rounds through mine. We've compared it to other EDC guns such as Kahr CW40, Bersa Thunder and thunder CC, Kel Tek (no comparison really), Ruger SR40c and a couple others I can't think of right now and the shield beats them all, by far. The only guns that come close that I have access to is a friends Glock 23 with a trigger kit (don't ask me which one) and another friends Taurus 1911. The Glock's trigger is actually nice, but felt big in my hands, as did the Taurus.
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The pull on my 9mm Shield is definitely not long. As for 'weight of pull' (although I've never measured it), given carry function, it is great in my opinion. These comments pertain to current condition of a mid-year 2012 version with no mods which has numerous range visits and approximately 700 rnds through it. My main memory from when it was new is that as soon as I adapted to the gun (stopped flinching, got grip right, etc) I felt I had an excellent CC pistol that was also amazingly easy to handle effectively.
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I would say the trigger pull on my Shield 9 is a bit heavy but not bad. But then it's the only subcompact I have. It is comparable to my other M&Ps (FS and Compact).

There's no comparison to my hammer fired handguns but those are different beasts (Some SAO some DA/SA).

My only other striker (non-M&P) is a PPQ. That's in different league altogether.
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Got my pistol back from Smith. Trigger pull is a bit smoother, but not much. Must be the nature of the beast. I guess I will have to keep dry firing until it gets better. Turn around time from Smith was a little over 3 weeks.
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The attached video shows the results of my Shield 40 and the installation of an Apex sear and Apex striker blocker (including using the Apex striker blocker spring). I used the stock Shield sear spring and used a standard Glock trigger spring. The Glock trigger spring is not identical to the Shield spring, and does not use the wadding to reduce spring harmonics, but it works fine and reduces the trigger pull another 1/2 pound. My original stock trigger pull was 6.5 pounds.

The video shows I have 1/8 inch of trigger safety take-up plus another 1/4 inch of trigger take-up until contact with the sear. I could have eliminated most of the take-up, but I like the 3/8 inch of take-up as an added safety margin, for a SD situation. I know some people don't like excessive take-up, but for a SD gun I think it serves a purpose, the gun is less likely to be fired from an unintended nervous finger twitch. The trigger take-up is only 1 pound of pull pressure and the actual sear pull is 3.5 pounds of pull pressure. It acts like a two stage trigger, 1 pound for 3/8 inch of trigger movement and then 3.5 pounds pull for 1/16 inch of trigger movement until break. After the break the reset is just over 1/16 inch and pull to break is still 1/16 inch, so there is very little trigger movement once the initial take-up is removed. It came out just how I wanted it to be. I can shoot it fast and accurately. It may not be to your liking and is not for a new shooter, but it is perfect for me. All mating parts are mirror polished and lightly coated with anti-seize grease that works just like the expensive sear lubes, for a super smooth pull.


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My Shield had a 8lb trigger pull new out of the box. I put in the Apex Carry kit but left the original trigger spring in. It now has a 5lb trigger pull. I have a Apex Shield trigger coming and will replace the original trigger. All of my other carry guns, 1911 45ACP, have 4lb triggers.
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Fixed my trigger issues by having the Apex kit installed. My Shield is now my favorite carry gun. The kit took the trigger pull from an inconsistent 7.5 lb pull to a smooth, consistent 4.5 lb pull. Accuracy now is much better.
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