|
View Poll Results: With the Shield, which is overall most accurate POA/POI?
|
Sight picture #1
|
|
2 |
2.70% |
Sight picture #2
|
|
32 |
43.24% |
Sight picture #3
|
|
40 |
54.05% |
|
|
10-05-2014, 11:40 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: So Cal (Near Edwards AFB)
Posts: 14,710
Likes: 2,926
Liked 17,102 Times in 6,271 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by papersniper
...now how can you say you're not interested enough to tell me.
|
If I had known off the top of my head, I would have told you. I just didn't want to do the searching for you when you'll retain it better by doing it yourself.
Quote:
Originally Posted by papersniper
And I'm going to stick with 124 gr bullets for now...
|
I don't think the bullet weight in a 9mm will make a lot of difference. At the close in distances the accuracy is close enough for all of them. For self-defense bigger is better, but the difference between 115gr and 147gr is not dramatic enough to warrant spending a bunch more money.
If the bullet expands, a 115gr bullet will do the job.
__________________
Freedom isn't free.
|
10-06-2014, 09:13 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Mid-South USA
Posts: 238
Likes: 1
Liked 33 Times in 23 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rastoff
If I had known off the top of my head, I would have told you. I just didn't want to do the searching for you when you'll retain it better by doing it yourself.
I don't think the bullet weight in a 9mm will make a lot of difference. At the close in distances the accuracy is close enough for all of them. For self-defense bigger is better, but the difference between 115gr and 147gr is not dramatic enough to warrant spending a bunch more money.
If the bullet expands, a 115gr bullet will do the job.
|
I was joking on the "interest" part above.
Roger that on the bullet weights.....it appears to me the POI is less important at SD ranges than issues of expansion and penetration. I like the heavier bullets, but the 147 gr bullets seem to be very rare, at least in stores. On line it's a different matter of course.
BTW, I did pick up a 50 round box of the Perfecta 9mm 115 gr FMJ yesterday to try. At about $15 with tax from Wal-Mart, seems like a worthwhile thing to try out. I don't really mind a few FTF or FTE, etc, as those are good training also.
|
10-08-2014, 01:30 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2012
Location: SoCal
Posts: 167
Likes: 35
Liked 37 Times in 31 Posts
|
|
I haven't seen nor ever heard of a 'Perfecta' ammunition at Walmart or anywhere else for that matter. Is that the full name? I mean is Perfecta the name of the manufacturer or the line of ammo?
In any event, at Walmart I paid $10.97 for a 50-rd box of TulAmmo in 9mm 115gr. View my posted photos checking sight picture with the Tul earlier in this thread. I shot well with it at 15 yds.
Last edited by tedburns3; 10-08-2014 at 01:40 PM.
|
10-08-2014, 04:17 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Mid-South USA
Posts: 238
Likes: 1
Liked 33 Times in 23 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by tedburns3
I haven't seen nor ever heard of a 'Perfecta' ammunition at Walmart or anywhere else for that matter. Is that the full name? I mean is Perfecta the name of the manufacturer or the line of ammo?
In any event, at Walmart I paid $10.97 for a 50-rd box of TulAmmo in 9mm 115gr. View my posted photos checking sight picture with the Tul earlier in this thread. I shot well with it at 15 yds.
|
Yep, "Perfecta" is the brand name. I found it in 223 Remington and 9mm Luger, and I believe it's also available in 40 cal, but I have not seen it. The boxes state "distributed by TulAmmo, and some have said it's identical to their brass cased ammo. Don't know, never tried that. Some also say it's made my Fiocchi....it is made in Italy the box says. The internet comments I've read on the 9mm have been positive, a bit less on the 40 cal S&W rounds.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
10-08-2014, 05:30 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2012
Location: SoCal
Posts: 167
Likes: 35
Liked 37 Times in 31 Posts
|
|
Thanks for the info, papersniper!
|
10-09-2014, 06:49 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Mid-South USA
Posts: 238
Likes: 1
Liked 33 Times in 23 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by tedburns3
Thanks for the info, papersniper!
|
I may take a while, but I'll post on the M&W forum when I finally get around to shooting the Perfecta.
|
05-24-2015, 01:45 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Fresno, CA.
Posts: 196
Likes: 25
Liked 22 Times in 19 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobzGuns
While I couldn't find a section in the Shield manual about sight picture, a few of my other manuals (my XDMc manual, for one), mentions this and shows a Pic using #3.
So for SOME pistols anyway, getting good results using #3 is NOT compensating for shooter error.
One thing I notice a bunch at the range, including from my Wife, is that for many (that don't shoot a lot), their 1st shot (using pic #3) might be spot-on, dead center. Possibly because with that 1st shot, they're not anticipating the recoil (yet). Using the same sight picture as their 1st shot, As they shoot more and they start to Anticipate/Flinch, THEN they start shooting Low er than their 1st shot and maybe even Low/Left. That's definitely shooter error.
I actually heard one shooter say "My 1st mag was Perfect and I got progressively worse with each mag... I guess I should have quit after that 1st mag." The group went wild.
|
You basically NAILED my experience with my Shield 9
Perfect first shots then low left very often or a good to average mag that made me feel better then next mag pure junk
What am I doing wrong? I'm thinking since the trigger on my PPQ is so perfect and I shoot it Very well maybe an APEX trigger upgrade would help with this? (And more then likely new sights since the rear has to come off anywsy)
This gun drives me nuts ... But reading your comment explains my experience with this thing 100% and now I need to figure out how to overcome it.
__________________
M&P9 Shield, M&P9 CORE, S&W.38
|
05-24-2015, 02:10 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,878
Likes: 1,668
Liked 2,344 Times in 1,110 Posts
|
|
Before sinking money into an Apex Kit, experiment with using a different Grip Technique and which part of your trigger finger to use.
Somewhere along the line, you may be 'anticipating' the recoil and flinching downward... Or twisting the pistol during trigger press (if your shots are going left/right). You need a straight rearward trigger press.
To see if you're flinching, have someone load a Snap-Cap/dummy round somewhere into the mag with your ammo. When you hit the 'Dud', if the gun dips, Bingo! You're anticipating recoil and dipping the Shield just before striker release.
The trigger-to-backstrap distance is probably different on your Shield, than with the PPQ and using a different part of your trigger finger, to achieve a straight rearward press, may be the only change needed.
For me... I needed to change from 'Center Pad' to 'first knuckle crease' to achieve a straight rearward press.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
05-25-2015, 09:46 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Central Fl.
Posts: 82
Likes: 49
Liked 29 Times in 20 Posts
|
|
There is an old saying that opinions are like elbows (cleaned up for the little ones) Everyone has one!!!!
I haven't read this whole thread but my answer is this.
WHAT EVER GIVES YOU the best placement!!!
__________________
BUD
|
06-02-2015, 01:02 PM
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 2,928
Likes: 1,351
Liked 2,660 Times in 1,302 Posts
|
|
My Beretta Px4 9mm Sub-Compact shoots POA using Number 3 as does my CZ75 Series 88. Haven't gotten my 40c yet to see where it shoots.
|
07-20-2017, 03:00 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 10
Likes: 17
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bud33
There is an old saying that opinions are like elbows (cleaned up for the little ones) Everyone has one!!!!
I haven't read this whole thread but my answer is this.
WHAT EVER GIVES YOU the best placement!!!
|
Was researching this topic and came upon this thread. I know it's old, but the whole quote is "opinions are like _____, everyone has one and think everyone else's stink." Feel free to put whatever stinky body part you want in the ____, but it's not elbow. maybe armpits?
|
|
|
Thread Tools |
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
|
|
|
|