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Old 12-11-2014, 01:01 AM
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Found this video on YouTube. That guy is very lucky. I am speechless. This is ugly. It looks to me like it was an ammo issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJg4hjqPlQs
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Lucky he did not suffer worse injuries. Looks like a case head blew out. Could have been weak brass, over-load, or maybe firing out of battery - maybe from a bullet seated slightly to long, causing the slide to not fully lock?

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Old 12-11-2014, 01:23 AM
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Bullet seating too long? What do you mean?
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IMHO, YOU ARE A VERY LUCKY MAN ! ! ! YOU COULD HAVE TAKEN THE BACK HALF OF THAT GUN IN THE FACE. PERSONALLY, I DON'T LIKE ANYTHING BUT METAL GUNS, AND THIS VIDEO RE-INFORCES THAT. IF THIS IS INDEED BRAND NEW FACTORY AMMO, I WOULD CONTACT THE AMMO MANUFACTURER. IF THIS WAS REMANUFACTURED/RELOADED AMMO, YOU MAY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH S&W ACCEPTING ANY RESPONSIBILITY. GOOD LUCK, AND PLEASE KEEP US POSTED…..
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IMHO, YOU ARE A VERY LUCKY MAN ! ! ! YOU COULD HAVE TAKEN THE BACK HALF OF THAT GUN IN THE FACE. PERSONALLY, I DON'T LIKE ANYTHING BUT METAL GUNS, AND THIS VIDEO RE-INFORCES THAT. I MUST ADMIT, HOWEVER, TO HAVING SEEN SEVERAL STEEL GUNS BLOWN APART BY IMPROPERLY RELOADED AMMO. IF THIS IS FACTORY AMMO, I WOULD CONTACT THE AMMO MANUFACTURER. IF THIS WAS RELOADED AMMO, YOU MAY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH S&W ACCEPTING ANY RESPONSIBILITY. GOOD LUCK, AND PLEASE KEEP US POSTED…..
It didn't happen to me sir...LOL...That's just a video I found on YouTube.
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It didn't happen to me sir...LOL...That's just a video I found on YouTube.
YOU ARE STILL ONE LUCKY MAN, THAT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN TO YOU…..lol. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW THIS ALL TURNED OUT ? ? ?
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Bullet seating too long? What do you mean?
If the bullet was seated too long, and managed to still feed from the magazine, it could have hit the rifliling, causing the cartridge to not fully chamber, and the slide to not lock full forward, causing a firing out of battery condition. Just a possibility, though not likely.

Also possible the bullet was not properly crimped, causing the bullet to seat deeper in the case from recoil (being the last cartridge in the mag), raising pressure. Not sure how well the case head is supported on the 9mm pro model.

Just speculation, really....

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YOU ARE STILL ONE LUCKY MAN, THAT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN TO YOU…..lol. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW THIS ALL TURNED OUT ? ? ?
The guy went to the ER and they did X Rays. He was lucky he still had a hand. Polymer guns are a bit scary but then again this could have happened on an all metal gun as well, the question is, would it have caused as much damage to the hand like the polymer or would the metal gun handle the blast better without causing more damage?

I guess every time you shoot a gun, whether polymer or metal, you run the risk of accidents, especially if you use cheap ammo. What are your thoughts on this?
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They did an excellent job with the video. Hmmmmm, they didn't disclose the brand of the factory ammo that was used.
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They did an excellent job with the video. Hmmmmm, they didn't disclose the brand of the factory ammo that was used.
Yeah I noticed that too. Maybe they are afraid to get sued?

Moral of the story: ALWAYS check the rounds for physical defects before loading them on the mag.
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This video was posted on YouTube 03-14-14.

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The one and only time something like this happened to me was under the following
circumstances. This was about 15 years ago when I was shooting with a friend and
he asked me to try his "new" Glock 17 that he purchased used from a guy.

After firing 2-3 rounds normally the pistol literally exploded in my hand
and hurt so bad that I was afraid to look. My hand was totally bruised,
black but no further injuries, The Glock polymer frame had literally cracked
from the slide on down through the grip frame. A very similar break like
shown on the M&P in the film.

My friend told me that he was using some reloads that the guy gave
him "as a bonus" who sold him the pistol. I believe it was likely a
double charge.

I just wonder what kind of ammo was being used in the M&P shown in this film.
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The one and only time something like this happened to me was under the following
circumstances. This was about 15 years ago when I was shooting with a friend and
he asked me to try his "new" Glock 17 that he purchased used from a guy.

After firing 2-3 rounds normally the pistol literally exploded in my hand
and hurt so bad that I was afraid to look. My hand was totally bruised,
black but no further injuries, The Glock polymer frame had literally cracked
from the slide on down through the grip frame. A very similar break like
shown on the M&P in the film.

My friend told me that he was using some reloads that the guy gave
him "as a bonus" who sold him the pistol. I believe it was likely a
double charge.

I just wonder what kind of ammo was being used in the M&P shown in this film.

I'm with you. I think they were using reloads. That is why I hate to use reloads. Never have and never will use them. Not safe in my opinion.
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There was a follow up/update video to this. I believe the ammo company paid for replacement of the gun.
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Yeah I noticed that too. Maybe they are afraid to get sued?

Moral of the story: ALWAYS check the rounds for physical defects before loading them on the mag.
Thought it funny that they mentioned Remington in the second vid as being a quality manufacturer without imparting blame. Why would they say that???
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I have seen this video before. I had something similar happen to me with my 1911. I had the case split down the side while shooting it. The RO stopped me and he asked if I was ok. I said, yes, and asked what happened. They called it "super face". The round exploded in the gun setting off a chain reaction. I was not hurt and the only damage to the gun was my medallion on the custom grips were blown out and disappeared. As to the person who said a double charge, you can't have a double charge in a 9mm. There just isn't enough room in the brass for a double shot of powder, it would be overflowing the brass. We do reload, and truthfully we have had more issues with store bought ammo the past few years than we do with our reloads. But then again, our reloads are individually inspected before we deem them ok to be shot.
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IMHO, YOU ARE A VERY LUCKY MAN ! ! ! YOU COULD HAVE TAKEN THE BACK HALF OF THAT GUN IN THE FACE. PERSONALLY, I DON'T LIKE ANYTHING BUT METAL GUNS, AND THIS VIDEO RE-INFORCES THAT. IF THIS IS INDEED BRAND NEW FACTORY AMMO, I WOULD CONTACT THE AMMO MANUFACTURER. IF THIS WAS REMANUFACTURED/RELOADED AMMO, YOU MAY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH S&W ACCEPTING ANY RESPONSIBILITY. GOOD LUCK, AND PLEASE KEEP US POSTED…..
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Some people call ammo from freedom munitions factory ammo when they are reloads. I'm gonna go with it being a reload.
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According to the poster of the YouTube video (in the info area below the video), the ammo was from Fitz Munitions.

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Some people call ammo from freedom munitions factory ammo when they are reloads. I'm gonna go with it being a reload.
Freedom Munitions produces new and reloaded/reman ammo. I only purchase the new ammo, just my preference.
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Yeah They were the first that came into my mind about reloaded ammo. Even then, they still sell good ammo. Even from the big names, one over pressured round can escape qc.
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The followup video indicates he was using reloads from Fitz Munitions Works.
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I think it would be possible to double load a 9mm round if loading with a fast burning low volume powder like WIN 231. I'll check it out next time I load 9mm.
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I have seen this video before. I had something similar happen to me with my 1911. I had the case split down the side while shooting it. The RO stopped me and he asked if I was ok. I said, yes, and asked what happened. They called it "super face". The round exploded in the gun setting off a chain reaction. I was not hurt and the only damage to the gun was my medallion on the custom grips were blown out and disappeared. As to the person who said a double charge, you can't have a double charge in a 9mm. There just isn't enough room in the brass for a double shot of powder, it would be overflowing the brass. We do reload, and truthfully we have had more issues with store bought ammo the past few years than we do with our reloads. But then again, our reloads are individually inspected before we deem them ok to be shot.
There would be room for a double charge of Titegroup, or at least a near double charge.
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Polymer guns are a bit scary...
Believe it or not, the gun is actually designed to do this. The polymer splits, but doesn't fragment. It may cause a little damage to your hand, but won't cause shrapnel to go flying about. The same issue with an all metal gun would likely be worse.

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I'm with you. I think they were using reloads. That is why I hate to use reloads. Never have and never will use them. Not safe in my opinion.
I would amend this to say, "never use reloads I didn't make." In fact, reloads are generally better than factory loads if the reloader is doing things correctly. The problem comes in when the reloader is making his own recipes because he thinks he knows better than the manual. Those are dangerous, but not a conscientious reloader.

For the record, I've re-loaded over 70,000 rounds. I've only ever had two issues. One time the primer was missed on a shot shell. Another time the primer wasn't seated properly on a .45ACP round. In both cases the issue was not hazardous. I'm sure there are members on this site that have loaded 5x more than me with better results.
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The use of major 9 loads in M&P Pro and CORE, and stock 1911s, is causing more of this than is making the press. Many times the gun will run for months before structural failure. I haven't had much luck trying to caution major 9 and other max load+ shooters, because they seem to know it all....."works OK so far."

Saw a 1911 slide break in half and the back half hit the shooter in the mouth in a USPSA Sectional. Major 9 with a 9# recoil spring.
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Another good reason to avoid Tupperware and springs...
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I'm with you. I think they were using reloads. That is why I hate to use reloads. Never have and never will use them. Not safe in my opinion.

I trust my own reloads more than factory. QA is better.
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The trend towards non-fully supported chambers in some pistols had led to bulged and weakened cases. If fired in this type pistol, the expended cases should be disposed of. Picking up and reusing range brass is equally suspect, because you have no idea if the is safe or not. Re-manufactured ammo should always be approached with caution.
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Yeah I seen this posted on a different site several months ago. These retarded Internet operator commandos were blaming S&W and saying they make **** guns. Turns out they were using overpowered reloads and questionable +p+ loads that caused it and not Smith for making a bad gun.
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IMHO, YOU ARE A VERY LUCKY MAN ! ! ! YOU COULD HAVE TAKEN THE BACK HALF OF THAT GUN IN THE FACE. PERSONALLY, I DON'T LIKE ANYTHING BUT METAL GUNS, AND THIS VIDEO RE-INFORCES THAT. IF THIS IS INDEED BRAND NEW FACTORY AMMO, I WOULD CONTACT THE AMMO MANUFACTURER. IF THIS WAS REMANUFACTURED/RELOADED AMMO, YOU MAY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH S&W ACCEPTING ANY RESPONSIBILITY. GOOD LUCK, AND PLEASE KEEP US POSTED…..
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...Major 9 with a 9# recoil spring.
You're kidding me, right?

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