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M&P Shield CA Compliant, Can I remove the LOADED WHEN UP Wording On The Slide Somehow
So I am looking to possibly purchase an M&P9 Shield for concealed carry once I get my CCW this year sometime.
But this CA Compliant version (cause that is all I can purchase now) with the Loaded Chamber Indicator that has the BOLD white wording " LOADED WHEN UP" painted right on the slides pop-up indicator. (See Pic)
So I hate the entire thing but more then anything I can;t Stand the gaudy wording printed on it (I can get past the indicator being popped up and red etc.
SO, does anyone know of a way to have this removed???
I wanted to find out if this was possible somehow and then if not think of the possibility of cerakoting the slide so that the lettering can be covered up (and maybe some of the red indicator if possible).
I don't mind paying to have the slide cerakoted to have this covered up but if there is a way for much less money and easy enough to just remove the Wording I would be more then happy with that.
Thanks so much and I look forward to finding out if anyone has attempted this or if it is possible ... and if not do you know if cerakoting the slide can easily cover that up?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/oDr3u**.jpg[/img]
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No Shield expert, but can't you just pop the pin, take it out and sand/cold blue it? Doesn't look like it would be too hard.
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Depending on how deep the words are cut in, you my be able to get away with color filling.
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A couple coats of cold blue will leave with a sort of ghost lettering. Dark gray on black look .
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Belt sander and Cerakote.
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You should check with your issuing authority first. Some do not allow any changes to the pistol, except for sights and grips.
You might invalidate your warranty as well by modifying it.
I managed to get a no thumb safety Shield last year.
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If the wording is etched and painted, color-filling with Black should not void any validity and definitely won't void warranty.
Go to WalMart's Craft Dept and look for the 'Painters' brand paint pens. A Fine Tip pen will work the easiest. If you can;t find any Paint Pens, Model Paint from the Toy Dept (or local Hobby Shop) will do the trick.
Actually... If you have kids in the house, Black Crayon will also work, but it's a bit less 'permanent' and easier to apply and remove.
There are Dozens of threads about Color Filling and probably Hundreds of YouTube videos showing how to do it.
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You could also use nail polish if you want to be able to return to original.
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These things make me want to puke. Why can't a simple hole loaded chamber indicator be enough? Are people really that stupid that they need a red flag popping up every time a gun is loaded? Rant over
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It's not illegal to remove this lettering. Anyone that wants to challenge this should post the penal code making it illegal.
Neither will it void the warranty. If you want to challenge that statement, please post the verbiage from the warranty saying so. I'll save you the trouble, it doesn't say that. It says, any damage resulting from a modification will not be covered by the warranty.
So, get some aircraft stripper, take the part out and remove what you like. The stripper may discolor the piece, but I guarantee it will take off the color.
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It's not illegal to remove this lettering. Anyone that wants to challenge this should post the penal code making it illegal.
Neither will it void the warranty. If you want to challenge that statement, please post the verbiage from the warranty saying so. I'll save you the trouble, it doesn't say that. It says, any damage resulting from a modification will not be covered by the warranty.
So, get some aircraft stripper, take the part out and remove what you like. The stripper may discolor the piece, but I guarantee it will take off the color.
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I would try acetone on it first, that should strip the guady paint off without hurting the metal finish.
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If the wording is etched and painted, color-filling with Black should not void any validity and definitely won't void warranty.
Go to WalMart's Craft Dept and look for the 'Painters' brand paint pens. A Fine Tip pen will work the easiest. If you can;t find any Paint Pens, Model Paint from the Toy Dept (or local Hobby Shop) will do the trick.
Actually... If you have kids in the house, Black Crayon will also work, but it's a bit less 'permanent' and easier to apply and remove.
There are Dozens of threads about Color Filling and probably Hundreds of YouTube videos showing how to do it.
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I wonder if just using that and filling in the entire top part of the LCI would cover it up fine and still look okay.
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Wow Rastoff. You seem to be on edge today. Relax, have a home brew.
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Nah, not on edge, just being preemptive.
I'm tired of hearing, "...probably illegal..." or "...probably voids the warrant if..." Anyone using those phrases is telling us straight out that they don't really know if it's illegal or will void the warranty. I don't understand why people do this when it's so easy to look up.
The S&W warranty is easy to read, not full of "leagalease" and it's short. There's no reason to speculate on what will or will not void it.
The law is convoluted and difficult to read. This is why people are quick to quote what they "think" is law, but never look it up. Because they don't actually know what the law is, they spread what is termed FUD, fear, uncertainty and doubt.
I'm just tired of hearing FUD about this kind of subject. So, before anyone could attempt to refute what I said with more FUD, I politely requested that they show their sources. Is that so bad?
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Geladen
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't see anything inherently wrong with a loaded chamber indicator, aka an extractor. Lugers are highly prized and it's sort of cool to see that extractor sticking up on the top of the bolt with "Geladen" (loaded) stamped on its side. Walther went so far as to make it a separate, mechanical feature on PPK's and P-38's, unrelated to the extractor. I guess the red paint would be a constant reminder of California's other more onerous requirements. I wonder if that square edge on the front snags more stuff. My issue would be to round it off a bit to preserve the Shields otherwise smooth contours. Tactile condition indication would also seem an advantage in dim light. I wish all guns could somehow indicate loaded status. I can think of a few examples that are downright dangerous without this feature.
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These things make me want to puke. Why can't a simple hole loaded chamber indicator be enough? Are people really that stupid that they need a red flag popping up every time a gun is loaded? Rant over
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The California Limousine Legislators believe we are all stupid and need to be nannied.
This was just another step in them trying to legislate guns out of existence - use enough laws and it's so restrictive to sell or own a gun in California no one can.
This isn't even the worst.
Micro stamping.
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Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't see anything inherently wrong with a loaded chamber indicator, aka an extractor. Lugers are highly prized and it's sort of cool to see that extractor sticking up on the top of the bolt with "Geladen" (loaded) stamped on its side. Walther went so far as to make it a separate, mechanical feature on PPK's and P-38's, unrelated to the extractor. I guess the red paint would be a constant reminder of California's other more onerous requirements. I wonder if that square edge on the front snags more stuff. My issue would be to round it off a bit to preserve the Shields otherwise smooth contours. Tactile condition indication would also seem an advantage in dim light. I wish all guns could somehow indicate loaded status. I can think of a few examples that are downright dangerous without this feature.
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First these pop up devices are ugly and obtrusive. Many firearms have unobtrusive loaded chamber indicators. However no one should be let loose near a firearm that doesn't treat it as loaded. You or your wife pull the Shield on a perp and he sees the loaded red flag is down. Sayonara!
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The California Limousine Legislators believe we are all stupid and need to be nannied.
This was just another step in them trying to legislate guns out of existence - use enough laws and it's so restrictive to sell or own a gun in California no one can.
This isn't even the worst.
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Just read about micro stamping here:
California A.B. 1471 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Are they so stupid that they think people can't change barrels and firing pins if they really wanted to commit crime? There's always a way around everything for criminals and they aren't going to worry about registering firearms anyway.
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You should check with your issuing authority first. Some do not allow any changes to the pistol, except for sights and grips.
You might invalidate your warranty as well by modifying it.
I managed to get a no thumb safety Shield last year.
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"Issuing Authority" Is that Hitler or Stalin? I think you NY'rs would be better off with either of them.
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I would try acetone on it first, that should strip the guady paint off without hurting the metal finish.
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Anyone used acetone on theirs to just remove the white lettering?
Really that is All I Am After is get rid of the white lettering ... everything else I can live with but that white lettering when popped up gets in the way of my sights picture Way to much and it's gotta go.
So now all I want to do is strip the white paint lettering out of that LCI and that will be good enough for me.
Thanks so much for any information and instruction you can provide.
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I clicked on this thread thinking "how bad can it be", should have known better with all I've read about California. Yowee, that is really really UGLY.
I would advise getting a small pin punch to remove the retaining pin so you can repaint every surface on that Ugly Stick. If you don't want to wait for paint to dry they sanding it down to the base metal and an application of Cold Bluing will give near instant results.
Note, removing all those billboard features may void the California approval for your Shield so you may want to look into the legalities of any suggested modification before actually doing it.
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Note, removing all those billboard features may void the California approval for your Shield so you may want to look into the legalities of any suggested modification before actually doing it.
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I used to be concerned about California in that any trend started their would infect the rest of the nation. Alas, we received an unexpected bounty from the unheralded idiocy that possesses most of the politicians that lord over Californians: They went so far off the deep end that the free states still in existence in America enacted legislation to prevent the same type lunacy that poisons California.
If you live in California, you need to leave the weapon as is. They would probably give you more time than they give a rapist or murderer for violating their precious feel good, worthless edict.
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If you live in California, you need to leave the weapon as is. They would probably give you more time...
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You can get an LCI low profile block for $20+ shipping.
The LCI does not bother me unless I am focusing my attention on it. You should be looking at the top of the front sight, but if you are obsessed with it, it will draw your attention to it like a disabled car on the highway.
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I offer one suggestion. Remove the part PRIOR to attempting to apply ANY chemical, such as paint, lacquer thinner, aircraft stripper, nail polish, etc. as you do not want ANY chemical seeping into the pistol, as it could make things not work.
I recall an officer bringing in his Beretta after attmepting to "fix" his loose rear sight by using loctite. It seeped into the action, where it worked as advertised. He just could not understand why Beretta insisted on charging him to replace a large chunk of the internals. I was at a loss for words to express how stupid I thought his "fix" was in the first place.
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Take the part out, spend 10 seconds with a grinder, put it back in. Problem solved and it cost you nothing but a little time.
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You can get an LCI low profile block for $20+ shipping.
The LCI does not bother me unless I am focusing my attention on it. You should be looking at the top of the front sight, but if you are obsessed with it, it will draw your attention to it like a disabled car on the highway.
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PROBLEM SOLVED!!!
Thanks so much ... good Ol' APEX, making M&P's what Smith & Wesson should have done to start off with.
http://www.brownells.com/handgun-par...prod75730.aspx
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This one too ... not sure how they differ ... this one says Low Profile? Anyone know the possible difference?
http://www.brownells.com/handgun-par...29-163104.aspx
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Thanks so much ... good Ol' APEX, making M&P's what Smith & Wesson should have done to start off with.
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Don't blame S&W for this. They are just trying to keep up with CA's stupid laws. I'm just glad they still sell any guns at all in CA.
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Don't blame S&W for this. They are just trying to keep up with CA's stupid laws. I'm just glad they still sell any guns at all in CA.
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Ya I know ... I was really eluding more to the APEX triggers to replace the junk S&W puts in their M&P's
Now that is their fault ... I should not have to spend $150 extra for a trigger that is worth a damn
But ya i know it's CA being idiots like always when it comes to this ... Just meant APEX kinda coming to the rescue again on something
They will all be gone from CA soon enough
Lord I hate this damn state!!!
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Ya I know ... I was really eluding more to the APEX triggers to replace the junk S&W puts in their M&P's
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This is a common complaint here, but unfounded. The trigger works. It's just not as nice as some would like. Remember, the M&P is a low end gun. It's not reasonable to expect a high end trigger in it.
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This is a common complaint here, but unfounded. The trigger works. It's just not as nice as some would like. Remember, the M&P is a low end gun. It's not reasonable to expect a high end trigger in it.
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I paid less for my Walther PPQ then I did my M&P Pro and the PPQ trigger is absolutely AMAZING!!!
S&W just chooses to put in a junk trigger ... It's evident to me as new models come out and they really get no batter at all
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That is one reason I would never live in California, LCI I do not like. In fact I have gotten rid of every Ruger that had one. I Love Ruger but I believe they have woken up and quit putting LCI's on a lot of their guns.
California is a beautiful state except for their law makers.
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SO Here ya go with info and pics on these two blocks
There is the standard block and the Low Profile block
I am 100% SOLD on the standard block
As you can see int he pictures below the Low Profile block actually moves and when unloaded there is a large gap in the top of the slide where it dips down ... but when loaded it does pop up nice and straight and is very minimal with a slight tactile feel.
BUT the picture below it is the basic standard block and it sits perfectly flush with the slide .... and the best thing .... IT DOESN'T MOVE!!!
So when loaded or unloaded the LCI stays put and is really just a black block so that the pop up LCI is now gone and there is no white lettering or red pop-up
Plus as you can see there is still a slight gap on the top part of the barrel and slide where the LCI does not go all the way .... this is so it does not pop up but still has a loaded chamber indicator Hole like the regular M&P's have so even though there is no block popping up anymore telling you it's loaded there is still a hole so you can visually inspect. Basically the tab does not stick down over the breech face to interact with a chambered round.
I do not like the low profile block really ... the regular block is PERFECT, cover the slot with no white lettering anymore and doesn't pop up anymore but still gives you a loaded chamber hole indicator!!!
Hope this helped ... here is the pictures and links to the product.
APEX TACTICAL SPECIALTIES INC. - LOW PROFILE LOADED CHAMBER INDICTOR
http://www.brownells.com/handgun-par...prod75729.aspx
Nice option if you still want the tactile loaded chamber feel on the block ... not a fan of how it looks when unloaded. But still a great option none the less.
...................... UNLOADED................................................. LOADED......................
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APEX TACTICAL SPECIALTIES INC. - LOADED CHAMBER INDICATOR BLOCK
http://www.brownells.com/handgun-par...prod75730.aspx
Best option in my opinion ... does not move or pop-up at all but still has loaded chamber hole for inspection! (I will be buying this one)
............................................ UNLOADED & LOADED..........................................
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So I think THIS is what I want to have done.
Is this just some sort of color fill?
I do not want to remove or replace the LCI with an aftermarket parts since this my everyday carry weapon (no many legal to worry about int he end if so .. and even something as small as this could be an issue).
So really what I am wanting to have a nice colorfill done if possible.
Yes the lettering has grooves like any other lettering on a slide but of course is painted white so may be a little harder to cover.
I am thinking about buying the Flat Black Testors model car paint and trying that.
Thoughts.
This picture is PERFECT on what I want to do. N4KVE ... how was this one done do you know?
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Birchwood Casey Flat Black Pen
Got it in the grooves, let it set a bit scraped off the paint above the lettering best I could ... Good enough for me.
Still stock but not Annoying white lettering to make it look horrible and get in the way of my sight picture!
I still like the APEX block but this will do for me I think.
I don't mind the red on the sides so I didn't bother covering that at all .. its the white lettering that bothered me.
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Had a IE grind my LCI down on a Ruger, NO GAP & NO POP UP
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Blacking out white lettering on the lci
I want my CA compliant Shield 9mm to be tactical and didn't like the white lettering on the lci. I don't mind the red pop-up as it is a safety factor. I can either take a quick glance in good lighting conditions or feel the pop-up in low lighting conditions. I used a "Universal fine tip permanent ink marker" to fill in the etched letters. Fill in one letter at a time, being careful not to get any marker on the red, wait a few seconds and wipe with a clean soft rag. (See photo).
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Just my opinion but I would think that the wording or even the entire pop-up warning is part of the safety items for this gun. If you remove them or modify them you could run into a problem if god forbid you use it to defend yourself.
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I am guessing that no one here except gwgunny has ever heard of a Sharpie. Less than a dollar and problem solved in seconds.
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If you remove them or modify them you could run into a problem if god forbid you use it to defend yourself.
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How is removing the lettering going to prevent you from defending yourself?
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What I am saying is by removing the lettering or modifying it in any way and you possibly have a negligent discharge a Prosecuting Attorney can use that against you. They can say you modified a safety item and were not aware there was a round in the chamber.
I know its a long shot but why give them more ammo? Everything you do to give the PA ways to prosecute you will cost you money to defend against. My neighbor has one of those signs that says we don't call the cops with a gun on it! I would think if he had a problem and had to use his gun then the PA is going to think he planned it.
I know of someone who had to defend against a charge that he had an unsafe gun because he had a trigger job! Be careful of what you do to change your guns from factory stock. There are PAs out there who will take advantage of it. And you will pay your attorney more to defend against!!
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You can buy a used gun from a leo. These don't have to have the chamber indicator flag. They just have the peep hoke to see the casing in the chamber.
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A Sharpie permanent magic marker should cover the white lettering, and those little pens are available in many different colors, with small pen-like points that would make quick work of white lettering. Solvent, carefully applied, should take it off the areas where you don't want to see any unintended/misapplied "Sharpie" marks.
From what I've read, federal regulations (which most states follow, and all FFLs must follow) require that a few key pieces of information MUST be present on the weapon (visible, but not necessarily in contrasting colors). That information, which uniquely identifies the weapon, is what is recorded on Form 4473 when a weapon is transferred:
1) Manufacturer (and importer, if applicable),
2) Model,
3) Serial number, and
4) Type (handgun, rifle, shotgun, etc.),
5) Caliber/gauge.
Rollmarks, safety warnings, etc., are NOT (as far as I know) recorded, and it would take a pretty savvy state or federal employee (probably a gun nut) to be know when anything but the 4473 info was not present.
I think I read that a more-recent change to the regs may require that other information (like the location of the gun maker's plant) must be shown on the weapon, put there by the manufacturer, but I've found nothing that says that this additional (non-4473) info MUST stay there.
More practically, the Fed's and most states authorities don't have a way to RECORD any extra info not required for form 4473 (or a similar state form, if such forms exist.)
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I would just live with it. You choose to live in California like I choose to live in NY. IF you live in their house you play by their rules...
If you want something that looks good, buy a revolver, if you don't want the chamber indicator get a Glock 26 gen 3.
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What I am saying is by removing the lettering or modifying it in any way and you possibly have a negligent discharge a Prosecuting Attorney can use that against you.
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I thought you might be headed there. I would counter with, in a righteous shoot, this will not be an issue. A prosecutor can bring up that you didn't know whether the chamber was loaded or not, but it won't matter because you intentionally took the shot.
That's enough about that.
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...if you don't want the chamber indicator get a Glock 26 gen 3.
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Funny. ALL Glocks come with a chamber loaded indicator.
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Being the kind of guy who likes to gently mock folks who treat minor things as major problems, I find my self in a real quandary here. Who do I go after? The guys who object to prominent markings, or the ones who highlight every marking with white or gold paint because they think it looks cool?
I think I'll just have another cup of coffee and sit this one out... ;-)
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