Guys,

One of my friends got a hold of my pistol and thought he was Clint Eastwood. He tried to field strip it and has messed it up way past my knowledge. I can not get to the sear deactivator and have no idea how to fix this. I know I can take it to a gunsmith but I am broke and cant afford to have them fix it for me. Any ideas or tips would be greatly appreciated.

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If he were a True friend, HE'D take it to a Smith and cover expenses.

This video may help?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtQ3d4RUp0M

BTW - Clint prefers Revolvers!

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mmesa005

mesa good point and ill see if that video can help me. RobzGuns i agree

If not a quick trip to the local gun shop could help? I know my local guys are always willing to answer questions and help in these types of situations.

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mmesa005

A perfect example of why NOBODY touches my gun but me..

Before this dufus took it apart did he utter something like "hey men gimme that gun and hold my beer" or "Check this out!"...

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Can I get an "Amen."

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That video does pretty much cover what MAY have happened...
The part about the lever liking to swing (while putting the slide back onto the grip) and jamming things up, but unfortunately, it doesn't show how to recover from that 'oops'.

Try this... insert a empty magazine and pull back & see if that releases the slide. You have have to work the slide back and/or do some jiggling, but that should work

What I think happened is instead of using the sear deactivator, he pulled the trigger to get the slide off and it jammed up inside. Inserting a empty mag should reset the sear.

CaptRon,

I tried that and it still wont release. Scared its something even more serious

***AMEN***

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We live and we learn...at least there wasn't an accidental discharge involved...

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Ill give an AMEN to that one

I realize that this didn't work, but I'm going to add one step to it, after you put the magazine(empty) into the pistol, put the front end of the slide on the end of the work bench (or table) with the barrel projecting past it. Then push hard on the lower section of the grip until it pushes back to the cutout for the takedown lever. You may have to take a "whack" at it. The magazine should engage the slide lock. I've used this method to free up locked slides for many years. good luck.

I had trouble pasting the url so if you can go to

smithandwessonforums (add www before .com after)
append to the above url
forum/s-w-semi-auto-pistols-forum/12183-new-owner-m-p45-problem-2.html

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mmesa005

That is the only thing I can think of that should free it up. If the magazine slides up & locks in place, thats good. Then I would pull back on the slide and work the trigger, Its gonna take some serious jiggle action. I still think that if you work the trigger back & forth while pulling back on the slide repeatedly, but with authority, that should free it up...

I hope that helps...

I'm trying to figure out exactly what happened... looks like the slide is not all the way back, and I guess it won't move forward.


Try getting a bent metal pick, and use that to reach the sear deactivation lever. The bend will allow you to get around and under the slide breech to where the lever is.

Marine6680,
I tried to do that but I cant reach the sear deactivation lever. I may try to come up from that mag slot with metal hook of some sort and pull down and see if that helps.

BKreutz,
Just tried that but I cant get the slide to come all the way back. Im trying not to force it too much. Should I try and work the trigger at the same time? Maybe free something up in the back.

Thanks for all the help guys

This is a reason you should start with a Revolver and NOT show your guns to your idiot friends.

Also a good reason to NOT own a gun with a funky take down design.

I dealt with a couple of these a few years ago when I worked at a gun store.... I had a special tool (huge paperclip straightened out, with a 90 degree bend at the end, and a 3-4mm "hook"), but I cannot for the life of me remember what I yanked on to fix it.... unfortunately i sold my M&P, so I don't have one to look at, but I think the fix was tripping the recoil spring back over the takedown lever... If I recall correctly, trying to put the takedown lever "up" it was under spring tension no? It is sticking in my head that that was the problem, but you can solve it with patience, paperclip (through the frame/slide gap), and a few minutes of observation....

PS tell that friend "hands *(&^*^% off (^(&%^*&^".... what a tool!!!


Sorry, my memory is so ****** I can barely remember my name, wish I could remember what I did to fix them..... From what I remember, this happens as the takedown lever gets turned "up" when putting the slide back on, allowing the recoil spring to bind, I don't think it has to do with the trigger group at all...

I have been playing around with another gun to try and duplicate..... Try to wiggle/pull your guide rod ... specifically try to get it to sit up into the groove on the barrel, by bending the muzzle end downwards..... don't force/bend anything..... light pressure, gradually increasing, but don't crank on it.....

Check my post above I think it gives a description of what you need to do?

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mmesa005

Time to deal that friend out of the rotation.

Autococker07,

Yeah im trying to find a strong enough hook to attempt that. I was trying a fishing hook and needle nose pliers earlier but just can get that grip to pull down the lever.

And dont worry that guy wont answer my phone calls and hasn't come around the house today

I cant get the URL to work. Do you know what the title of the posting is? I can search the forums for it

If I paste the 2 lines it works. If not the post is 12183 smithandwessonforums don't forget the www and the .com before then after. Hope this makes sense?

Thread title is Thread: New owner of M&P45 with problem.................

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mmesa005

Based on the pics from the OP, I think I have your solution.

I believe the feed ramp is wedged under the trigger block. Here's a pic with the slide removed explaining what I mean:


Here's what it looks like with the slide on:


The fix is to give the slide a firm tap on the rear, like this:



By doing this you'll release the slide to chamber/feed ramp friction. If you try to push on the muzzle end, you'll only wedge it tighter. It may take a pretty good whack to get it loose.

When I duplicated your issue, I had the recoil spring out. Since your recoil spring is in there, you may have to hold the barrel as you strike the rear of the slide. Otherwise it might just wedge itself back in there as you try to dislodge it.

Let me know how this works.

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Rastoff,

I tried that and the slide moved about an inch forward. Think you're right about the feed ramp. I've attached some pictures that show the progress but now it is locked up again. Im trying not to beat the thing to death but just a simple tap loosened that slide up a lot.

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I've tried this with and without the magazine and it keeps stoping about 1/2" too short. I have no idea what it could be catching on but I am scared to beat on the slide and bend whatever it maybe catching on.

Guys,

I got it fixed. The sear deactivator was holding it back so I used a fishing hook and a pair of needle nose pliers to free it up then tapped on the back of the slide and it came right off. Thank you all the help. If you're ever in Eastern NC I'll buy ya a beer

Glad to hear the news!

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mmesa005

Even though I had absolutely no input on this topic I'll take you up on the beer - as long as it's Milwaukee beer, lol.

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I read the entire thread. Now that the gun is "fixed" it's time to "unfriend" someone. Good luck with that.

Glad you got it fixed.

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http://youtu.be/JrouiNw-UE4?list=UUR...Vdb0JxiL__Ezew

After inserting the mag and pulling back the slide 1/2" inch or so to reset the trigger, pull the trigger and push the mag release button. Make sure the take down lever stays pointed down and doesn't flip back to the horizontal position.

NVM, you got it. But you should be acquainted with releasing the slide without needing to pull that sear deactivator lever down.

Good to know you got it fixed.