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Old 02-28-2015, 07:49 PM
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So i have a question. I have a M & P 9 Ported Performance 5". In Mid-January I found a great deal on a Deltapoint 7.5 MOA Red Dot. It was from Sportsmansguide online. I renewed my membership and basically got the Deltapoint for about 319.00. Great deal right? So whats the problem.

Well it wasn't in stock it was on backorder until 2/3. Well 2/3 came and i got an email the in stock date changed to 2/16. Well 2/16 came and I got an email the in stock date changed to 2/27. Of course today is 2/28 and i got an email stating the in stock date changed to 3/20.

So now I wonder. Should I keep waiting for some future date that keeps changing or......should I just dish out more and get something like a Trijicon RMR07? For the life of me I can't find the Deltapoints in stock anywhere and the few that have it, have them marked up to 450.00+ . Right now I can get a RMR07 for about 540.00 in 2 days.

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Old 02-28-2015, 07:54 PM
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Old 02-28-2015, 08:18 PM
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If I do go RMR would you recommend the 6.5MOA or 3.25MOA for the MP9 Performance Ported handgun? I'm thinking the 6.5MOA, but not sure.
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Old 02-28-2015, 08:57 PM
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The changing production dates suck, but I'd wait for the Deltapoint. (I like them that much) I'm just presuming I'd do this if I was in your situation, I already have my DP, so if I didn't, I may not feel the same. I've seen the DP's sell for around $400 on GB and Ebay.
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Thanks. Still torn. I guess I could give Sportsmanguide 1 more month to see if the date keeps changing.

Also I noticed this red dot. Seems pretty nice and at a decent price. I have the Vortex Strikefire II on my AR and I really like it.

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Yes, the Vortex Viper looks great. Unfortunately, it hasn't been shipped yet. I contacted Vortex about it and got this response:

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Thank you for your time and interest in Vortex. Right now my best estimate for a release date on the Viper is around mid-late April. I’m also very excited to get my hands on one, but I’m going to wait until we get caught up on customer orders first before I pick one up for myself.

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So, I really like the Vortex, but it puts you in the same boat as the Deltapoint.

My local gun store has a Deltapoint sitting in their case. I think he wants $500 for it. Yep, it's a bit pricey, but at least it's there. Interested?
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I've been tempted to buy one of these just to see if it's any good.
Redfield Accelerator 6 MOA Reflex Sight Pistol Shotgun Rifle 117852 | eBay I've read a few of the reviews and they're kind of mixed. Redfield is owned by Leupold
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I talked to Leupold and he said they are not going to make the Deltapoint 2 lts going to be called the Deltapoint Pro and won't be ready until may ,after they finish there government contracts. So there you go the government is more important than you or I.Dr Dick
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Thanks. Still torn. I guess I could give Sportsmanguide 1 more month to see if the date keeps changing.

Also I noticed this red dot. Seems pretty nice and at a decent price. I have the Vortex Strikefire II on my AR and I really like it.

Vortex Tactical - Viper Red Dot 6 MOA Dot
You might throw a bid on this one, it's no reserve so one never knows what it'll actually sell for. If it were me, I'd put a bid at the highest price I'm prepared to spend and see what happens. Leupold® Deltapoint Optics Excellent | eBay It's an "all mounts" version which you don't need for a Core, the cheaper "cross slot" mount works fine. But, if you get a good price.............

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Old 03-02-2015, 07:54 PM
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I put a Trijicon RMR 06 on mine. That one has the 3.25 MOA dot. I don't like the big dots if I try to take a 40 yd + shot.
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I put a Trijicon RMR 06 on mine. That one has the 3.25 MOA dot. I don't like the big dots if I try to take a 40 yd + shot.
I too felt like you. However, the Deltapoint in the link has the delta, not a dot. It looks like this:


With this one you can use the top point for longer, more precise shots.
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Old 03-02-2015, 09:49 PM
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Ya. That's why I really like the DeltaPoint with the Delta. It gives some flexibility to work with.
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I too felt like you. However, the Deltapoint in the link has the delta, not a dot. It looks like this:


With this one you can use the top point for longer, more precise shots.
A few more years and that will be the actual size of the glass I will need.
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Well SG changed the date again to April. I'm sure it's not their fault but the date keeps changing. so I ended up canceling and I found a new one off eBay. The seller had 2 of them and I bought one. It's a little more than Sportsmanguide but I will have next week.

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My RMR started acting up about 2 weeks after I bought it. No idea how many rounds put through my 40 CORE before it started shutting off while shooting. I could rack the slide and it would come back on. Checked the battery connections, no joy. Amazon refunded my money before they even got it back. I ordered the Deltapoint with the 3.5 MOA through Amazon. The delivery date was late April but I received it in less then a week for 360 no S&H. I love it. The only problem is the locking screws on the back have to be loosen to adjust it but tighten before you shoot it. Got tired of taking it off to adjust and lock then reinstall. Had the rear site removed. Contacted Leupold by email and I guess they didn't seam to understand the problem they sent me 5 of the Bristol wrenches for the lock screws. I am going to try to bend one so it will fit between the Deltapoing and the front of the rear site. All pictures of MP CORE has the Deltapoint and the rear site mounted. That is the purpose of the thing to be able to use both.
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My RMR started acting up about 2 weeks after I bought it. No idea how many rounds put through my 40 CORE before it started shutting off while shooting. I could rack the slide and it would come back on. Checked the battery connections, no joy. Amazon refunded my money before they even got it back. I ordered the Deltapoint with the 3.5 MOA through Amazon. The delivery date was late April but I received it in less then a week for 360 no S&H. I love it. The only problem is the locking screws on the back have to be loosen to adjust it but tighten before you shoot it. Got tired of taking it off to adjust and lock then reinstall. Had the rear site removed. Contacted Leupold by email and I guess they didn't seam to understand the problem they sent me 5 of the Bristol wrenches for the lock screws. I am going to try to bend one so it will fit between the Deltapoing and the front of the rear site. All pictures of MP CORE has the Deltapoint and the rear site mounted. That is the purpose of the thing to be able to use both.
How many times to you have to adjust the sight? I put mine on over a year ago, I zeroed it with the lock screws loose, took the sight off and tightened the lock screws, put it back on and haven't had to re-zero it since them. Before my surgery in January, I was shooting it 5-6 times a week (practice and matches) and it's never changed zero. If you're having to readjust it that much, then either there is something wrong with the sight, or your routine is changing your point of impact. That's one of the things I like about the Deltapoint, set it and forget it. (I put a CMore on my new gun so time will tell if I made the right choice, if I have to "fiddle" with it constantly I'm sure it will find a place on my shelf of failed equipment)
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You right probably won't need to touch it again but if I change loads of bullets I want it dead on. If all my target shooting is going to be at 50 or 25 yds I want the group at POA. I normally bench rest a couple of groups first thing and also when I change loads. If you can't group dead center bench rest you sure aren't going to do it off hand.
All that said it is a darn good site and I am liking it a lot I thanked Leupold for their quick response and for the wrenches they sent me.
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You right probably won't need to touch it again but if I change loads of bullets I want it dead on. If all my target shooting is going to be at 50 or 25 yds I want the group at POA. I normally bench rest a couple of groups first thing and also when I change loads. If you can't group dead center bench rest you sure aren't going to do it off hand.
All that said it is a darn good site and I am liking it a lot I thanked Leupold for their quick response and for the wrenches they sent me.
I haven't changed my load for probably a year and a half, why mess with a good thing. If I was changing then I would probably have to re-zero.
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Sorry i didn't mean to change the post just wanted to add my comment on sites for the original poster.
Bkreutz I am just gotten back into handgun shooting as I haven't shot since I qualified Sharpshooter on the 1911 back in 84 when I was stationed in GTMO and on the Ground Defense Force. I probably loaded a million shotgun shells in the 60s when i was shooting trap and hunting but this handgun loading and shooting is a blast. I am enjoying the changes and have bought 3 S&W and a Remington 1911 R1 since the first of the year. I enjoy making changes and go to the range almost everyday. OK I will now get off this thread.
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So i got my Deltapoint yesterday and boy does it look sweet on my MP9. Now for the problem which I know is my darn eyes. The triangle is a bit blurry. Since I can't really adjust the intensity of the triangle i can't get a clear focus. Pretty sure this is my darn astigmatism.

Does anyone else have this issue?

I have had lasik done but it doesn't appear it corrected my astigmatism. I may need to reschedule.

Also- (excuse my ignorance). But on the red dot when i use elevation (D) and go down(counterclockwise) it makes the triangle move up. When i go up (clockwise) it makes the triangle move down. Is this right?
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That should be right the dot goes up there fore your muzzle goes down. I have the same problem with my eyes. I have to live with it on the DeltaPoint, I have the 3.5 dot but on my RapidFire III and my UltraDot I lower the brightness and that helps a lot. You can check your astigmatism just look at a small LED on a clock or something and if you see two dots it is your problem. It maybe just the Lasik causing it as my friend had it and lights at night give him a problem. My contact corrects my astigmatish 100% but my glasses can't be made to correct all of it.

That said I love my Deltapoint. I got it when my RMR gave of after the second week.
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Thanks Magload. Yeah. Pretty sure its my eyes. I have the same blurry vision with most of my red dots. Some are clearer than others. Usually depends on light intensity and size of the dots.
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Also- (excuse my ignorance). But on the red dot when i use elevation (D) and go down(counterclockwise) it makes the triangle move up. When i go up (clockwise) it makes the triangle move down. Is this right?
Don't over think this, it will just drive you mad.

The sight is marked with arrows telling you which way to turn the adjustments to correct Point-of-Impact (POI). So, if you fire at the target and your group looks like this:


Adjust the Deltapoint up and to the right.

Again, don't think about the gun or how the red dot moves. Only think of where you need to move the bullet holes.
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This is a great thread. I'm also trying to decide between the DP or RMR. I considered waiting for the DP Pro but I don't want to be a field tester. So right now I'm leaning toward the DP for my MP 40 CORE PC. For you guys with the DP... When you have to change the battery does the sight return to zero when you remount it?
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This is a great thread. I'm also trying to decide between the DP or RMR. I considered waiting for the DP Pro but I don't want to be a field tester. So right now I'm leaning toward the DP for my MP 40 CORE PC. For you guys with the DP... When you have to change the battery does the sight return to zero when you remount it?
I've probably had my DP off of my Core a half dozen times for various reasons. I've never had to zero it after doing this. There are a couple of "bumps" that register the sight and plate back to the same place every time.
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I am agree with Bkreutz. I have had mine off many times and just to check it I mount it in my Hyskor rest and and mark a dot on the wall where my bore sight hits then where the Deltapoint ir hitting. After taking it off and back on I check it again and it is always right on. This don't happen with some of my other dot optics or lazers but is a good way to get them back on target. I had a RMR on my CORE 40 and it died in the first two weeks. I liked it but not as much as the DeltaPoint. I was wishing I had bought the DP the whole time I had it and was glad it quit.
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So I checked my Deltapoint again today during the day (it was very sunny) and wow!!! It was crisp and clear. So it seems my astigmatism is just bad during darker environments. The same sight looked great out in the sun.

So it's good and bad. Good that I can see well in bright environments but bad because I need to correct my vision in darker environments.

At least I know the DP is working as expected.
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Thanks for the info on not having to resight the DP after removing it from the gun. Makes my decision much easier.
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