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Old 04-09-2015, 11:25 PM
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I know I can check my gun with my baggage. But should I. I've seen people check them in but I don't know if they ever saw them again. I heard somewhere that the case my M&P came in is good enough if I use a good padlock. I hate to go unarmed for two weeks, but if my gun disappears it will be a lot longer than that. Am I being paranoid.
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I hunt and travel a lot by air - always ship my guns (rifles, shot guns, pistols) and have never had a problem - hope it stays that way. I ALWAYS check with the specific airline I am using to INSURE I follow their specific instructions - there are some minor nuances between the airlines but of course they all follow the federal guidelines.
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There are a few good "Flying with firearms" threads in the Concealed Carry SubForum
Here's just a few I found using the Search function.

airline travel
Flying with Handguns- Hard Luggage Color?
Flying with a firearm...experiences?
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PLEASE check your luggage!!!! Mrs. Nugent arrested at airport
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I don't trust anyone with my pistols.
The ole "this is my rifle, this is my gun thingy comes into play. Well you all saw the movie.
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I've flown with firearms several times and never had a problem. They even lost my luggage one time and it had 2 pistols in it. Everything was there when they got my luggage to me the next day.

I just used my plastic case locked with a padlock inside of my locked soft sided luggage. Like was said above though, just check with the airline in case they have something specific they want. When checking in some have asked me to open the case to verify that the gun was unloaded, some don't even care they just take my word for it...just depends on the airline and the agent checking you in.

I think most airlines will cover lost luggage up to $1500 if it's not recovered, and some credit cards will cover even higher limits.

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Flown with handguns in my checked luggage several times,never had a problem.

Once TSA had me come and open the locked case, took about 5 minutes and all was good to go.
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You have 2 options. 1) checked luggage. 2) FFL.

Anything out of your custody can be stolen or lost.

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Flown with handguns in my checked luggage several times,never had a problem.

Once TSA had me come and open the locked case, took about 5 minutes and all was good to go.
I have flown once checking two pistols. No problem - but follow the rules!

My brother in law works for TSA. Said they never ask a passenger to open a locked case in checked bags. If they need it opened they call the LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) on duty at the airport and the LEO takes it from there.
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If your worried about theft find an inexpensive firearm to travel with. Then you are not out a thousand dollar handgun if stolen.

You can also ship a gun UPS/FedX to yourself, but fees are high.
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Should I trust the Airline with my gun..............

of course you should.........it will be protected by a highly trained and focused TSA agent..........have a nice day........no problem........
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I've flown a lot and no problems - then again I don't get "cute" with the regs. You have a couple alternatives: UPS it to a dealer where you're going and go through the background check every time, Drive to (wherever), get a cheap-o to put in luggage, sneak it on board and do some jail time... nope, none of them work for me. You take your chances no matter what you do. This is why we have insurance. It's counterproductive to whine over lost stuff that can be replaced.
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I've flown a lot and no problems - then again I don't get "cute" with the regs. You have a couple alternatives: UPS it to a dealer where you're going and go through the background check every time, Drive to (wherever), get a cheap-o to put in luggage, sneak it on board and do some jail time... nope, none of them work for me. You take your chances no matter what you do. This is why we have insurance. It's counterproductive to whine over lost stuff that can be replaced.
Well, a third option is to send it/them to yourself at your destination. No FFL required. Why on earth would you UPS it to a dealer?

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You should look at the "Concealed Carry/Self Defense" section of this site. There are many good posts by folks who fly with checked firearms. Also, you don't say where you are flying to, but that is as big a deal as the airline part. You gotta be legal to carry at that end too. Another good site is 'handgunlaw.us" It's done by a forum member & has detail on the carry laws for each state.
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There is one very important thing you must consider. Flight connections. Where you leave from and travel to may be legal for you to possess a fire arm. I'm not even talking about concealed carry. Just possession. If you trip gets interrupted and the city you were just making a connection in is hostile to your possession of a fire arm. You have a problem. Your bag will come out in baggage claim and you cannot stop it. You have to make a decision. Leave it on the carousel and go to your hotel without your bags or pick it up. If you pick it up you are most likely a felon. The airline will not keep it for you. Most likely it is very late and you have no way to secure the bag. Don't place yourself in this position. Even if no one knows you have left the airport with and illegal weapon or if you talk the airline into holding it for you, you have to check back in to continue your flight and then must declare the weapon.
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There is one very important thing you must consider. Flight connections. Where you leave from and travel to may be legal for you to possess a fire arm. I'm not even talking about concealed carry. Just possession. If you trip gets interrupted and the city you were just making a connection in is hostile to your possession of a fire arm. You have a problem. Your bag will come out in baggage claim and you cannot stop it. You have to make a decision. Leave it on the carousel and go to your hotel without your bags or pick it up. If you pick it up you are most likely a felon. The airline will not keep it for you. Most likely it is very late and you have no way to secure the bag. Don't place yourself in this position. Even if no one knows you have left the airport with and illegal weapon or if you talk the airline into holding it for you, you have to check back in to continue your flight and then must declare the weapon.
This is an important point, and something to think about when flying with a firearm, especially a handgun. You're wrong about "the airline will not keep it for you." That's what they do.

I fly with guns fairly frequently, and here's my plan.

First, avoid connections in LGA, EWR, JFK. Too much risk of missed/cancelled connection, etc. (When I was flying airplanes for a living, we used to say "never land somewhere you're not willing to spend the night.")

If I somehow find myself in the situation where I'm in one of those cities (weather divert, aircraft problem, etc) with a weapon in my checked bags, here's what I'll do:

Get off the plane and contact the airline (either at the customer service counter, ticket counter, or by phone) and find out when my plane departs. If it's the next day, then I will walk right to the exit and leave the airport. I'll return in time to check in for the subsequent flight. At no time will I even enter the baggage claim area, and if the airline tells me the bags are coming off, or that I need to recheck them, I will simply ignore that and leave the airport. The key is, I will ignore all requests/direction to pick up my bags from baggage claim. I won't argue or attract attention to myself. I just won't do it.

One of three things will happen to the bag(s):

1. They will be picked up by airline personnel at baggage claim and placed on my subsequent flight (most likely scenario). Baggage tagging/tracking has come a long way. Best outcome.

2. They will be picked up by airline personnel at baggage claim, held at their baggage office, and after some time placed on another flight to my destination and delivered to me there (very likely scenario). A very close second-best outcome.

3. I will never see them again. I file a claim with the airlines and my insurance company, and get all, some, or no reimbursement (least likely scenario, but a possibility). This is the worst, but still an acceptable, outcome.

I'm fully prepared to accept the worst case scenario, i.e. losing my firearms and not being reimbursed. The most expensive firearms I own cost less than the retainer any lawyer would charge to even take my case, or the impact on my job of being detained, etc.

Again, it's not for everyone, but it's my plan, and I'm comfortable with executing it.

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This is an important point, and something to think about when flying with a firearm, especially a handgun. You're wrong about "the airline will not keep it for you." That's what they do.

I fly with guns fairly frequently, and here's my plan.

First, avoid connections in LGA, EWR, JFK. Too much risk of missed/cancelled connection, etc. (When I was flying airplanes for a living, we used to say "never land somewhere you're not willing to spend the night.")

If I somehow find myself in the situation where I'm in one of those cities (weather divert, aircraft problem, etc) with a weapon in my checked bags, here's what I'll do:

Get off the plane and contact the airline (either at the customer service counter, ticket counter, or by phone) and find out when my plane departs. If it's the next day, then I will walk right to the exit and leave the airport. I'll return in time to check in for the subsequent flight. At no time will I even enter the baggage claim area, and if the airline tells me the bags are coming off, or that I need to recheck them, I will simply ignore that and leave the airport. The key is, I will ignore all requests/direction to pick up my bags from baggage claim. I won't argue or attract attention to myself. I just won't do it.

One of three things will happen to the bag(s):

1. They will be picked up by airline personnel at baggage claim and placed on my subsequent flight (most likely scenario). Baggage tagging/tracking has come a long way. Best outcome.

2. They will be picked up by airline personnel at baggage claim, held at their baggage office, and after some time placed on another flight to my destination and delivered to me there (very likely scenario). A very close second-best outcome.

3. I will never see them again. I file a claim with the airlines and my insurance company, and get all, some, or no reimbursement (least likely scenario, but a possibility). This is the worst, but still an acceptable, outcome.

I'm fully prepared to accept the worst case scenario, i.e. losing my firearms and not being reimbursed. The most expensive firearms I own cost less than the retainer any lawyer would charge to even take my case, or the impact on my job of being detained, etc.

Again, it's not for everyone, but it's my plan, and I'm comfortable with executing it.
No I think the worst case scenario is to go to check in at JFK the next morning and the counter person says wait one moment. Then a Police officer comes up behind you and says "Sir is this your baggage". I can't imagine a good outcome.
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I don't fly much any more. I would not trust any airline with my firearm.
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Nice fiction. Maybe you should write for a living.

First, you don't go to the counter. You go through security with a boarding pass and go to the gate.
Second, airlines don't open up luggage that gets left or mis-directed. If they did, it would be a full-time job. How ridiculous. That's what that giant barcoded bag tag is for. It gets moved along to a destination.
Third, any checked firearm is required to be in a locked suitcase, and the final locked case cannot have TSA locks. Keys/combo must be retained by you. Given that, why would "the policeman" get involved at all?

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Nice fiction. Maybe you should write for a living.

First, you don't go to the counter. You go through security with a boarding pass and go to the gate.
Second, airlines don't open up luggage that gets left or mis-directed. If they did, it would be a full-time job. How ridiculous. That's what that giant barcoded bag tag is for. It gets moved along to a destination.
Third, any checked firearm is required to be in a locked suitcase, and the final locked case cannot have TSA locks. Keys/combo must be retained by you. Given that, why would "the policeman" get involved at all?

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"Missed flights only inconvenience most people. A late flight landed Utah gun owner Greg Revell in jail for 10 days after he got stranded in New Jersey with an unloaded firearm he had legally checked with his luggage in Salt Lake City."
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Old threads never die - this is the internet!
Best advice I've heard, besides not taking possession of your guns mid-trip in a hostile location, is to print out the TSA regulations for flying with firearms and the instructions for same from the website of your airline and have them in your pocket when you check in. This avoids any creative interpretations or baffled looks by the gate agents.
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And how would using a FFL for a handgun work in another state? Not being a resident of whatever state he goes to, he can't get his gun.

TSA requires your locked gun case to not be one of their locks.
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And then there is this~~~Traveling Man's Gun Arrest Appealed to Supreme Court | Fox News

"Missed flights only inconvenience most people. A late flight landed Utah gun owner Greg Revell in jail for 10 days after he got stranded in New Jersey with an unloaded firearm he had legally checked with his luggage in Salt Lake City."
Right. This guy is the object lesson in what not to do. He did everything wrong.

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But the flight from Minneapolis to Newark was late, so Revell missed his connection to Allentown. The airline wanted to bus its passengers to Allentown, but Revell realized that his luggage had not made it onto the bus and got off. After finding his luggage had been given a final destination of Newark by mistake, Revell missed the bus. He collected his luggage, including his gun and ammunition, and decided to wait in a nearby hotel with his stuff until the next flight in the morning.
He wasn't willing to walk away from his luggage in a bad situation. He got off the bus, retrieved his bag/gun, and took his bag/gun to a hotel with him. He had a gun in his possession in a state that doesn't allow it. Think how his life would be different if he had just stayed on the bus, and written off his bag/gun.
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Nice fiction. Maybe you should write for a living.

First, you don't go to the counter. You go through security with a boarding pass and go to the gate.
Second, airlines don't open up luggage that gets left or mis-directed. If they did, it would be a full-time job. How ridiculous. That's what that giant barcoded bag tag is for. It gets moved along to a destination.
Third, any checked firearm is required to be in a locked suitcase, and the final locked case cannot have TSA locks. Keys/combo must be retained by you. Given that, why would "the policeman" get involved at all?

Get out more. It's a beautiful world out there.
Scott, I'm confused about something. If you have had an interruption in your travel plan and you end up with a cancelled flight and spend the night in a hotel don't you have to go to the counter to get new boarding passes. You will never get to the gate with last nights boarding passes. You will never get on a plane without new boarding passes. I have been sent to the hotel with nothing and told to come back in the morning and we will get you a flight. Sometimes they will tell you we have a flight for you but can't issue boarding passes yet. So you will go to the counter.
Item two. When you started travel the day before You did declare your weapon at that time. It is noted on your record. They do know you have a gun in your bag.

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In NY, many have been arrested when rechecking in due to a cancelled flight. Even if you show PD, your ticket, you still get arrested. When you delcare the gun at check in, they call PD over.

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I have flown once checking two pistols. No problem - but follow the rules!

My brother in law works for TSA. Said they never ask a passenger to open a locked case in checked bags. If they need it opened they call the LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) on duty at the airport and the LEO takes it from there.
I think your brother-in-law might be wrong because unless you get the person with the keys to the locks there the only way they can get in that cas is s to cut the locks.
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I think your brother-in-law might be wrong because unless you get the person with the keys to the locks there the only way they can get in that cas is s to cut the locks.
He is correct, TSA is not allowed to handle firearms. They will call u to unlock the case with LE present if needed. Same with the airline staff. But airline staff only look, so no LE needed. They ask u to show them when declaring the firearm.

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Scott, I'm confused about something. If you have had an interruption in your travel plan and you end up with a cancelled flight and spend the night in a hotel don't you have to go to the counter to get new boarding passes. You will never get to the gate with last nights boarding passes. You will never get on a plane without new boarding passes. I have been sent to the hotel with nothing and told to come back in the morning and we will get you a flight. Sometimes they will tell you we have a flight for you but can't issue boarding passes yet. So you will go to the counter.
Item two. When you started travel the day before You did declare your weapon at that time. It is noted on your record. They do know you have a gun in your bag.
1. Something tells me you haven't traveled much lately, or ever with a firearm. I haven't printed a boarding pass in 5 years. I always pull them up on my phone. And if I did need to print one, I would simply go to a kiosk and print a boarding pass. No talkee to anyone. I travel **all the time**, as in multiple times each month. Unfortunately, that means I get cancelled/rerouted/etc. **all the time**, including just this week (thanks a lot, AA). I have never just gone to the airport without a flight. That why airlines have phone numbers, and smartphone apps.
2. "It is noted on your record?" What record? When I declare a firearm, they hand me and I fill out a dec form that goes in my bag. End of story. And even if it was "in my record," what matter? As long as the bag is not in my possession, I have violated no laws. There's no "you must go get your bag" law. My hand is never touching the handle of that bag behind enemy lines.

Think about the guy who sparked the conversation on all of this. Flight from Minneapolis to Newark was late, so he missed his connection to Allentown (his destination). Airline decided to bus them all to Allentown, PA (Not NJ. That's important). He got off the bus because he was worried his bag/gun didn't make it on the bus, then missed his bus, and after he retrieved his bag/gun, took it to a hotel. Went to the airport the next day. Remember, the bells went off when he reported to the ticket agent (as he was required to do) that he was traveling with a gun. The alarms didn't go off when he picked up his luggage. Who knows, maybe it wasn't "in his record."

I'll bet a LOT of bags missed the bus. I'll be a LOT of bags eventually found their way to their owners.

So, let's say this guy had done this: He forgets about his bag and just gets on the bus. He ends up in PA. What happens?

1. His bag shows up in PA, either because it was on the bus, or because the airline found the bag, read the barcode, and sent it along, or because they found the bag, read the barcode, and called him and said, "we have your bag, where do you want it sent?" He's safe. Winner.
2. His bags shows up back at his starting point, after they find the bag and read the barcode. He's safe. Winner.
3. The bag never shows up. The tag is torn off. Someone steals it. It's lost to the airline gods. He files a claim(s). Maybe he gets some money back. Maybe not. No matter. He's out the cost of the gun (and ammo) and some underwear. He does not spend 10 days in jail in NJ, and does not spend thousands (hundreds of thousands?) in legal fees. Still Winner.

Heck, let's try this: He gets off the bus, retrieves his bag, walks over to the rental counter, throws his bag in the rental, and drives one way to Allentown. Even if he rents the most expensive car he can find, still a Winner.

As I said, it's my plan. Not for everyone, obviously, but it's A plan. Guy who started this had no plan. He was connecting through Newark, with a firearm, and he hadn't thought about it at all. For that, I guess we all owe him a debt of gratitude, because it taught us the need for a plan.
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ScottS - many thanks for outlining and explaining The Plan.

I've only flown once with a gun - nonstop on SW from STL to SEA - and it was a nonevent. I affirmatively avoid going to the eastern states that are enemy territory for gun owners but recognize it's still possible to end up there unintentionally. Should I ever find myself in one of those places while travelling with a gun, I expect I'll follow your advice and just leave the luggage with the airline and let them get it to me (hopefully.)
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ScottS - many thanks for outlining and explaining The Plan.

I've only flown once with a gun - nonstop on SW from STL to SEA - and it was a nonevent. I affirmatively avoid going to the eastern states that are enemy territory for gun owners but recognize it's still possible to end up there unintentionally. Should I ever find myself in one of those places while travelling with a gun, I expect I'll follow your advice and just leave the luggage with the airline and let them get it to me (hopefully.)

Just a plan. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
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Unless you have a target on your back, are involved with the mob or drug cartel, or heading to a bad neighborhood in a crime ridden city, I think it would just be easier to leave it at home and not have it to worry about. Remember stress kills too and probably much more often than violence.
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Unless you have a target on your back, are involved with the mob or drug cartel, or heading to a bad neighborhood in a crime ridden city, I think it would just be easier to leave it at home and not have it to worry about. Remember stress kills too and probably much more often than violence.

Trouble with that attitude is you just really don't know when and why someone will decide to take a shot at you . . .
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Unless you have a target on your back, are involved with the mob or drug cartel, or heading to a bad neighborhood in a crime ridden city, I think it would just be easier to leave it at home and not have it to worry about. Remember stress kills too and probably much more often than violence.
This is why I never carry a firearm. I am always more concerned that the stress of dealing with carrying it will kill me long before I could ever use it to defend myself, a loved one, or some other innocent person.

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This is why I never carry a firearm. I am always more concerned that the stress of dealing with carrying it will kill me long before I could ever use it to defend myself, a loved one, or some other innocent person.

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I don't recall anyone mentioning being stressed by just carrying. Unless I missed something, I think this thread had to do with the issues that could arise attempting to take a firearm on a plane.
I believe his post was sarcasm, at least that is the way I took it.
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I believe his post was sarcasm, at least that is the way I took it.
I agree but it was off topic sarcasm.
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I don't recall anyone mentioning being stressed by just carrying. Unless I missed something, I think this thread had to do with the issues that could arise attempting to take a firearm on a plane.
Although it's always hard to discern tone in a post, I think what he meant was that your argument:

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Unless you have a target on your back, are involved with the mob or drug cartel, or heading to a bad neighborhood in a crime ridden city, I think it would just be easier to leave it at home and not have it to worry about.
Is the same argument anti's use against carry of any sort. You could directly lift your argument and insert it into any concealed carry debate. Until scumbags pre-announce when they're going to strike, you really can't us that logic.

PLUS, lots of people hunt, compete (I shoot 3-gun), or travel with a gun for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with "having a target on their back or being involved with the mob or a drug cartel."
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Not sure about things now, but when we lived in Fl we sometimes used the Miami airport. It was common back then for people to get robbed leaving the airport in a vehicle. The scum would bump the rear of the car leaving the airport, and then take all the valuables at gun, or knife point.
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PLUS, lots of people hunt, compete (I shoot 3-gun), or travel with a gun for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with "having a target on their back or being involved with the mob or a drug cartel."
But I'm referring to the OP's post mentioning not being comfortable being unarmed for 2 weeks.
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