Accuracy is coming: Apex M&P Barrels

Llando88 · Nov 6, 2015

https://store.apextactical.com/WebDirect/Products/Category?categoryId=54

"Accuracy in your Smith & Wesson M&P not what you expected? Not what you think acceptable? That brand name aftermarket 'match grade' barrel not living up to your expectations? Well, Apex has the solution.

Coming soon, the new 9mm Apex Grade Gunsmith Fit or Semi Drop-In replacement barrel for the M&P. The new barrels will be available in either 4.25" or 5.00" versions. The Semi Drop-In version is easily fitted by the end user. For those demanding the most in accuracy from their M&P, the Gunsmith Fit version is the answer and requires installation by a competent gunsmith."

Thoughts?

Eddie 500 · Nov 6, 2015

Ill buy one....me wonders why a gunsmith needs to install...

PirateJim · Nov 6, 2015

Eddie 500 said:
Ill buy one....me wonders why a gunsmith needs to install...

The same reason a gunsmith needs to install a target barrel in a 1911. It has to fit precisely and tight. A little bit of "slop" in the barrel fit and lockup will manifest itself as sloppy groups down range.

I hope they sell like hot cakes so Apex will expand the line to 40 S&W.

Willcoe · Nov 6, 2015

Spare me. If you need to change your barrel on your M&P. It ain't the barrel. It's the hand on the pistol.

colt_saa · Nov 6, 2015

Llando88 said:
https://store.apextactical.com/WebDirect/Products/Category?categoryId=54

"Accuracy in your Smith & Wesson M&P not what you expected? Not what you think acceptable? That brand name aftermarket 'match grade' barrel not living up to your expectations? Well, Apex has the solution.

Thoughts?

The M&P is a duty weapon, not a target gun

Mine have all proven to keep 2" groups at the limit of our indoor range. I do not need more than that

agksimon · Nov 6, 2015

Willcoe said:
Spare me. If you need to change your barrel on your M&P. It ain't the barrel. It's the hand on the pistol.

I have a 1911, 45 and a Ruger 22/45, that will benchrest 1+ inch groups at 25 yards, but my M&P Pro 9 will only get 4-5 inch groups at that distance, no matter what bullet weight I use. Still think it's the hand?
When I shoot IDPA matches and I get an extra point down, because the shot goes just outside of the perforation, I can't help but wonder if it was me or the gun. If the gun was capable of better groups, I would have my answer. I for one will get the barrel and install it, as soon as it's available.

pbpvusa · Nov 7, 2015

Llando88 said:
https://store.apextactical.com/WebDirect/Products/Category?categoryId=54
Coming soon, the new 9mm Apex Grade Gunsmith Fit or Semi Drop-In replacement barrel for the M&P. The new barrels will be available in either 4.25" or 5.00" versions. The Semi Drop-In version is easily fitted by the end user. For those demanding the most in accuracy from their M&P, the Gunsmith Fit version is the answer and requires installation by a competent gunsmith."

Thoughts?

When I clean my M&P, I can just pop the barrel out and clean it. I am not sure how it would work if gun smith has to fit it, how can I clean the barrel. My gun is in the shop for upgrading the apex kit, will definitely look at this after couple of months.

V0OBWxZS16 · Nov 7, 2015

pbpvusa said:
When I clean my M&P, I can just pop the barrel out and clean it. I am not sure how it would work if gun smith has to fit it, how can I clean the barrel. My gun is in the shop for upgrading the apex kit, will definitely look at this after couple of months.

A fitted barrel can still be removed from the slide.

pyro · Nov 8, 2015

colt_saa said:
The M&P is a duty weapon, not a target gun

Mine have all proven to keep 2" groups at the limit of our indoor range. I do not need more than that

Yes it's a service gun. Yes the M&P is used in competiton. A lot of people like to improve the performance of their weapon because they enjoy it and because they can. If the only reason I had a S&W was because it was a duty pistol, I wouldn't bother with this forum.

colt_saa · Nov 8, 2015

pyro said:
Yes it's a service gun. Yes the M&P is used in competiton. A lot of people like to improve the performance of their weapon because they enjoy it and because they can. If the only reason I had a S&W was because it was a duty pistol, I wouldn't bother with this forum.

You wouldn't come here? That would be a loss all the way around.

Are you trying to say that the only reason you come here is to learn about alternative parts for your M&Ps?

I know lots of folks like to swap parts. That is part of the reason for the popularity of the 10-22 and AR style rifles as well.

Llando88, the original poster, asked for thoughts on the new part offering and I gave mine.

How about letting us know your thoughts on the new part offering?

Wishoot · Nov 8, 2015

Willcoe said:
Spare me. If you need to change your barrel on your M&P. It ain't the barrel. It's the hand on the pistol.

What a load of bunk.

I had 4 other people shoot my FS M&P9 including 3 military guys who were well qualified with a pistol. Every one of us was shooting low-left. Took a trip to S&W to make the gun reasonably accurate. Every other 9mm I own can still outshoot the M&P.

agksimon · Nov 8, 2015

colt_saa said:
The M&P is a duty weapon, not a target gun
Mine have all proven to keep 2" groups at the limit of our indoor range. I do not need more than that

What distance are you shooting at? The gun test standards for pistol group sizes are done at 25 yards. If you're getting 2" groups at that distance with an m&p, with a factory barrel, you have a one in a million.

pyro · Nov 8, 2015

colt_saa said:
You wouldn't come here? That would be a loss all the way around.

Are you trying to say that the only reason you come here is to learn about alternative parts for your M&Ps?

I know lots of folks like to swap parts. That is part of the reason for the popularity of the 10-22 and AR style rifles as well.

Llando88, the original poster, asked for thoughts on the new part offering and I gave mine.
How about letting us know your thoughts on the new part offering?

I target shoot all my guns regardless of what they may or may have been intended for. I have alternate barrels for my Glocks and yes they are more accurate at the range. They are also perceived to be duty guns. I suppose I could say target shooting is not their purpose, but what fun would there be in that.

MichiganScott · Nov 8, 2015

Wishoot said:
What a load of bunk.

I had 4 other people shoot my FS M&P9 including 3 military guys who were well qualified with a pistol. Every one of us was shooting low-left. Took a trip to S&W to make the gun reasonably accurate. Every other 9mm I own can still outshoot the M&P.

I'm wondering where it hits now that it's back from S&W.

Wishoot · Nov 8, 2015

MichiganScott said:
I'm wondering where it hits now that it's back from S&W.

I've only had it shot by two other shooters. Now it just shoots low. But at least it's low-center.

Rastoff · Nov 8, 2015

I hope Apex sells a lot of these and the company does well. Even so, it's not necessary. The percentage of people who are good enough shots to actually use this accuracy improvement, is very small. In fact, that level of shooter is probably looking for a different gun anyway.

Wishoot said:
I've only had it shot by two other shooters. Now it just shoots low. But at least it's low-center.

[sarcasm]I'm glad S&W was able to fix this for you. I'll bet that as your experience with the gun increases, those low shots will move up toward the center. I'm sure the barrel just needs to be broken in and will get better with time. At least that's been what I've learned through conversing with hundreds of members here.[/sarcasm]

Seriously, have any of these shooters shot it from a rest?

robert1804 · Nov 8, 2015

My M&P 9 FS has only fair accuracy. 3" groups at 15 yards rested and 5" at 25 yards rested. My 9mm Shield is actually better at 15 yards. I found some light pitting in one groove and S&W said to send it in. If they replace the barrel, I'm hoping for better accuracy. I'm not inclined to pour money into this gun. I have a Beretta M9 and a CZ75 B, both in 9mm that are 2" or slightly better guns at 25 yards rested with the right ammo. Their $150 or so cost difference is worth it to me. I'll keep the M&P simply because it is such a hoot to shoot.

Wishoot · Nov 8, 2015

Rastoff said:
I hope Apex sells a lot of these and the company does well. Even so, it's not necessary. The percentage of people who are good enough shots to actually use this accuracy improvement, is very small. In fact, that level of shooter is probably looking for a different gun anyway.

[sarcasm]I'm glad S&W was able to fix this for you. I'll bet that as your experience with the gun increases, those low shots will move up toward the center. I'm sure the barrel just needs to be broken in and will get better with time. At least that's been what I've learned through conversing with hundreds of members here.[/sarcasm]

Seriously, have any of these shooters shot it from a rest?

No, never shot from a rest. My M&P has a 12 o'clock sight hold to hit anything in the 9 ring from 10 yards which is nothing like my other 9's. Even with the 12 o'clock hold, tight groups are difficult.

Rastoff · Nov 8, 2015

Wishoot said:
No, never shot from a rest.

Then any comment on accuracy is only anecdotal.

Do you think this new barrel from Apex will make a difference in your gun?

pyro · Nov 8, 2015

Rastoff said:
Then any comment on accuracy is only anecdotal.

Do you think this new barrel from Apex will make a difference in your gun?

Of course you are right. It would be anecdotal. I worked in a lab all my life so I like to see data. It would be reasonable to assume Apex would do some bench rest comparisons and report them before they released their barrel. To often however, those kind of tests are left to other people to report. If they didn't release any data I wouldn't be in any hurry to purchase one.

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