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Old 03-14-2016, 09:53 PM
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I'd like it if I could fine one.
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I really like my PC 9 when compared to my Home Defense Weapon the Glock 19. I feel my PC is more accurate and has about the same recoil as my Glock. So far I shot about 700 rounds down range without a hiccup using different grains from different manufactures of ammo. It is my CC weapon and I think it is a perfect size for this. This gun is worth waiting for if you have the patience. I would recommend putting your name on waiting list on web sites and checking LGS on a regular basis if you haven't done so.
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Really comfortable carry gun. With the right holster it disappears.

Since I haven't shot a regular shield I have no basis for comparison. But, I can say that the PC shield is very accurate. I do believe that this is in large part due to the PC sear.

FO Sights are decent, but the porting tends to dirty the front post quite a bit.

This is probably subjective, but the porting tames the recoil, to the point that staying on target is easy peasy.

Overall - accurate and fun to shoot in a nice tiny package.
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I just bought mine today. I had a regular shield and it was nice. I have not shot this yet but I can tell the trigger pull is lighter and less gritty.
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Old 03-15-2016, 01:40 PM
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My gun shop had a .40 in stock last week. My wife wanted it as her carry gun, but the guys at the shop said not to carry it. They tested one out when they first came out. They said the porting didn't really affect vision firing normal, but hip firing blinded them from particles coming out of the ports. I'm sure it's a great range shooter, but not something I'd want to risk as a carry gun.
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Old 03-15-2016, 02:28 PM
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I have seen the youtube videos and the problem you are referring to is minut. Better trigger, way better sites.
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Hickock shot it and didn't complain about the particles. Watch the youtube videos.
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And as far as buying a 40 cal I would not. Today's 9mm rounds are equal or better than the slow 40. The fbi is going back to the 9 mm btw.
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Old 03-16-2016, 10:36 PM
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And as far as buying a 40 cal I would not. Today's 9mm rounds are equal or better than the slow 40. The fbi is going back to the 9 mm btw.
I like slow, its still very hard to out run. Plus when it tumbles it really creates damage. Probably another reason soo many of us like a .45acp.
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And as far as buying a 40 cal I would not. Today's 9mm rounds are equal or better than the slow 40. The fbi is going back to the 9 mm btw.
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9mm 115 gr @ 1140fps / 333ft#
40sw 165 gr @ 1175fps / 506ft#

I'll take heavier and faster any day.

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Old 03-20-2016, 02:38 AM
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Yes col Ken those are good specs but other manufacturers make 9mm faster and more ft lbs. Also you will get less penetration because the 40 cal bullet will expand more resulting in less penetration. I personally use federal law enforcement hst 124 grain hp which will outperform the 40 in the gel and denim tests. To each his own I guess
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Old 03-20-2016, 03:49 AM
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I LOVE mine! Only have about 125 rounds through it, but it feels like it runs fast and makes me want to shoot faster. Hence why a few of the rounds pictured were caused my me jerking the trigger. The trigger pull is one of the best I've felt(from the factory) and the reset, to me, is near perfect. Pictured is 50 rounds from 7 and 15 yards.
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Old 03-20-2016, 05:28 AM
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Like mine and I have both in 40.. I can still see, thank God I wasn't blinded while shooting..

Opps... mines in 40SW
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I was the biggest fan boy of porting back in the old days. Now that I see it really is pointless why waste your money unless your running 3 gun?


Buy a regular shield with NO SAFETY and APEX IT OUT!
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Old 03-20-2016, 06:13 AM
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I was the biggest fan boy of porting back in the old days. Now that I see it really is pointless why waste your money unless your running 3 gun?


Buy a regular shield with NO SAFETY and APEX IT OUT!
Why...... ? cause I like it... and yes... I'm a fanboy...
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Old 03-20-2016, 09:42 AM
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Anyone have any doubts about this gun should read the January edition of guns&ammo. The problems you think you may have with the ported barrell are addressed and you just might be surprised.
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I was the biggest fan boy of porting back in the old days. Now that I see it really is pointless why waste your money unless your running 3 gun?


Buy a regular shield with NO SAFETY and APEX IT OUT!
Buy a Shield and buy the Apex trigger you are at about the cost of a PC and you lose out on the sites and ports. Kinda goes against the value proposition you are trying to illicit.
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Another reason my wife passed on the one we saw is the price difference. A PC shield goes for $500 and the regular goes for $375. These are local prices. By the time I put night sights on the PC it's a $600+ gun. Maybe some people don't mind using fiber sights at night, but for me those would have to go. If the trigger eventually bothers me I'll just buy the Apex kit.
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Another reason my wife passed on the one we saw is the price difference. A PC shield goes for $500 and the regular goes for $375. These are local prices. By the time I put night sights on the PC it's a $600+ gun. Maybe some people don't mind using fiber sights at night, but for me those would have to go. If the trigger eventually bothers me I'll just buy the Apex kit.

That's a huge price difference. There was only 50 dollar difference when I bought mine.
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I don't understand night sights. If I'm firing my Shield at night it's an emergency situation and point and shoot.
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Love mine! ive had a shield ever since they came out. Bought thr PC shield last week and it is a better version of a great carry gun! The sights and trigger are worth the extra bucks. Ported barrel dose'nt seem to make alot of difference for me. Accuracy seems to be a bit better but i'm almost sure thats the trigger.
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Old 03-22-2016, 02:23 AM
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Hmm.. I bought the third version.. Came with night sights and 2 extended 8 round mags, and one flush 7 rounder.. price $449 cash, and out the door at my LGS
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Hickock shot it and didn't complain about the particles. Watch the youtube videos.
But, Hickok45 never shot it from any compressed or retention positions without safety glasses on.

"Some of you probably aren't going to be comfortable with it, aren't going to like it, but we have to address it, because it's reality....

The majority of armed conflicts occur within 10-15 feet...at a maximum. Half of those take place inside of what we call "the hole", that double arms length or six feet or closer."

- Dave Spaulding


If you could completely care less about personal defense readiness, then that quote is irrelevant to you. However, if you conceal carry and having the ability to effectively protect yourself and your family & friends is a high priority, I would take heed of Mr. Spaulding's words since he is absolutely correct in his assertion that the majority of civilian defense encounters occur at close quarters. There are numerous statistics to verify the legitimacy of his claim.


In such scenarios, firing from a compressed or retention position being the most effective method is relatively common. And while not an over-riding, paramount or primary concern, porting could still cause serious problems such as vision impairment from vented gas/gunpowder particles making contact with the eyes, thereby interfering with your ability to effectively respond to the assault or even sustaining permanent eye damage should you survive. And even if the potential negative consequences are not guaranteed to occur, it is still an important consideration nonetheless. Every reputable instructors says the same thing.

Most people who buy a gun like the Shield, purchase it as a carry weapon for self-defense purposes, but regarding those more important issues and skill-sets in ECQ scenarios, such as developing reactive integrated unarmed defense skills that are often needed to deal with the initial assault and to be able to access and properly deploy your weapon, proper use and application of the firearm in the context of ECQ's as well as understanding and incorporating footwork and movement etc., ... I wonder how many on here are actually training in and/or have sought out professional instruction in those particularly important areas to be as prepared as possible for the most likely defense scenarios they would encounter.

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Got mine a few weeks back at Cabela's in Hammond, IN. They will transfer one from their warehouse if you ask. Fired about 150 rounds thru it. Feels great. Sights and trigger really nice. Really easy to field strip and clean. Very little muzzle lift like everyone says. Shooting it again in a couple weeks with a bunch of hand loads.
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I have the ported 9mm. I have around 300 trouble free rounds through it. I love the ported barrel. I have fired this gun in every position with the exception of under my chin and have had no problem with hot gas from the ports. You are not blinded from the flash either. Get out and enjoy this fine gun from S&W. Oh the trigger is great as well. I do like night sights a little better but these fiber optic sights work pretty good. Especially out side in bright light.
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I recognize it's possible for particles from the muzzle can come back into your face, especially with a short, ported barrel. But let me tell you, I personally see no difference in my PC 9 and my full size 1911 45 ACP. When I'm done at the range my face has specs all over it. I have to wash off in the bathroom before hitting the road. A lot of this also has to do with the powder type, amount of powder, and bullet weight. Factory loads aren't any different either.

Bottom line is, in a personal defense situation the fewer, more accurately rounds fired, the less chance particle or muzzle flash will be an issue. I feel more comfortable putting shots on target with this gun than any other I have fired.
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I just purchased the p/c shield in a 9mm but haven't shot it yet. I already have the regular shield. I didn't care to much about the ported barrel, so if I don't like it I will just try it with a non-ported barrel. I still get the fiber optic sights and the better trigger and a lightened slide. Also I think that if you shoot IDPA they don't allow ported barrels
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