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Old 07-25-2016, 05:58 PM
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I was looking to buy a shield in 9mm without safety had one before with thumb safety but sold it. This past weekend was at the local gun shop and saw the new PPS m2 for slightly more than the shield and had me thinking now I'm considering the new PPS, anyone has any experience with it? how would you compare it with the shield?

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Old 07-25-2016, 06:05 PM
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I've only spent a couple hours with a PPS M2 but its a top shelf pistol. I prefer the ergonomics of the Shield and I believe the Walther is a bit heavier. I also remember the Walther being very accurate during controlled slow fire.

Advantage for performance sights and holster selection goes to the Shield.

No flies on that Walther though and if it feels better in hand than the Shield I wouldn't hesitate.
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Old 07-25-2016, 06:32 PM
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I liked the 1st PPS. M2 grip is not for me. Otherwise good guns. I'd probably get the M1 over the Sheild

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Old 07-26-2016, 09:12 PM
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I've only spent a couple hours with a PPS M2 but its a top shelf pistol. I prefer the ergonomics of the Shield and I believe the Walther is a bit heavier. I also remember the Walther being very accurate during controlled slow fire.

Advantage for performance sights and holster selection goes to the Shield.

No flies on that Walther though and if it feels better in hand than the Shield I wouldn't hesitate.


I'm in middle of this debate right now. Shield vs PPS M2. Will have to put in some more rental time with both this weekend.

As well as ongoing debate between the 9C and Glock 19.


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Old 07-26-2016, 09:25 PM
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I'm in middle of this debate right now. Shield vs PPS M2. Will have to put in some more rental time with both this weekend.

As well as ongoing debate between the 9C and Glock 19.


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unfortunately the local range doesn't have the pp2 for rent, that would make it super easy for me. I had bunch of glocks tried almost every single one, and they all got replaced with the M&P line, they just fit me better.
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Old 07-26-2016, 10:00 PM
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I will give my first hand input. I bought one of the first PPS M2's in Arizona because initial gun mag reviews were very good, and I wanted to get something "different".

The original design is great, reliable, accurate, easy to conceal, and once familiar with the mag release its a great value. The M2 design (IMO) one upped the original design. The grip is so much more comfortable than M1 for my medium sized hands its not even funny. The American style mag release is well placed and easy to use in quick reloading situations. Sights are 3 white dot, nothing fancy, and there's an option for better sights. 2 Mags, 1 flush and 1 +1rd with pinky extension.

Accuracy is probably the best I've ever had out of a polymer gun. By a long shot. Trigger and reset is incredible. Try it. Most importantly I've shot the **** out of it. Easily north of a 1000 rounds with ammo varying from garbage to premium and everything in between and it has NEVER had a malfunction. Not one. We ran a whole case of Brown Bear through it in one outing with friends and we had respectable accuracy and no issues.

She cleans up nicely too, and rides in the only 2 holsters I own for any pistol I have. A sticky holster and Aliengear with the PPS M2 shell. I highly recommend this firearm to anyone looking for one of the most concealable, reliable, comfortable carry pistols on the market. For $400, you could do worse. Like buy a Glock...


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I own both, and each have their advantages. I cannot decide which is better than the other.
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:54 AM
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I owned both, and stopped carrying the Shield in lieu of the M2. The M2 feels better in my hand. You can also get the M2 LE with the 3 mags for the same price as the Shield 2.0 online. Comes with 6, 7, and 8 round mags...
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:30 AM
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I very much like my PPS M2 - but, just sayin’ - the mags are hard as hell to fully load unless you let them sit fully-loaded for a couple weeks. The phosphorescent (sp?) sights are surprisingly good after a little charge with a flashlight. Last thing - the cocking indicator is a great feature.

Edited to add: I see I paid WAY too much for mine ... Cabela's had them discounted to $399 (from 499) and I thought I was getting a good deal. Either way - it's a keeper. Ref mag springs - note that the 6-RD uses the same spring as the 8-RD - and thus my comment about the mags being difficult to load. Shoulda specified 6-RD ...

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Old 08-10-2018, 07:11 AM
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I very much like my PPS M2 - but, just sayiní - the mags are hard as hell to fully load unless you let them sit fully-loaded for a couple weeks. The phosphorescent (sp?) sights are surprisingly good after a little charge with a flashlight. Last thing - the cocking indicator is a great feature.
I have several M2 mags, and not one of them are hard to load even by hand. My Shield mags, on the other hand, are hard to load.
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Old 08-10-2018, 07:38 AM
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I owned both, sold the Walther. I had the PPS M2 LE 9mm. I didnít care for the phosphorescent sights. For me the gun was most comfortable to carry with the six round magazine, but felt and shot best with the seven round mag. I had no other complaints with the design but didnít feel it offered me anything I didnít have with the Shield. I think the decision would go to the pistol that felt best in your hand.

Georgia Gun Store in Gainesville, GA usually has the PPS M2 LE for $339.99, give them a call.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:12 AM
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We also own both. Several Shields actually, the PPS M2 LE. The PPS is one of my wife's guns, but I've shot it a fair amount. I was really expecting the trigger to be better, given all the reviews I'd read about it being so great. But to me, the trigger feels no different than our 1.0 PC Shields. They are equally accurate in my hands. I really don't care much for the biggish dot sights, or the phosphorescent paint. But they work okay.
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:38 AM
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In regards to the PPS M2, I've owned three of them... but ended up getting rid of them all. In my opinion, I think the PPS M2 is the better gun, both ergonomically and in accuracy. The trigger for me was ok, but not outstanding. You're probably asking yourself if that's the case, then why did I ditch them. The answer is, all three I owned suffered barrel peening from the trigger bar slamming into the side of the chamber and causing physical damage. See these threads at the Walther Forums - PPS M2 Barrel Peened near feed ramp? - WaltherForums and here Trigger bar "deforms" barrel??? - WaltherForums

I gave Walther three chances and all three had the same issue. When speaking to Walther, they said it's normal wear and tear and essentially refused to do anything. I strongly disagree, but that's up to you to decide. I'm not saying all PPS M2's suffer this issue and a lot don't, but it's well documented in the threads above. I really want to get another one, but after strike 3 and the poor customer service, I'm out.

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Have a pps and shot the shield, personally preferred the pps but the shield is a good gun. I like the striker button at the back on the pps that allows placing thumb on it when reholstering (mostly carry da/sa hammer fired guns). You can get those tau things on Glocks (which is why I am going to try one out) but other than the p99 can’t think of many other strikers that have that little extra layer of safety when reholstering.
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Have a pps and shot the shield, personally preferred the pps but the shield is a good gun. I like the striker button at the back on the pps that allows placing thumb on it when reholstering (mostly carry da/sa hammer fired guns). You can get those tau things on Glocks (which is why I am going to try one out) but other than the p99 can’t think of many other strikers that have that little extra layer of safety when reholstering.
XD's have the same feature...
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If it matters. The M2 for the same physical size holds one less round than the shield. Plus magguts makes +1 and +2 conversion kits to the shield mags to extend capacity even further. Not sure if they make + comversions for the M2.

Again IF capacity matters to you, it may be something to consider.
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Old 08-10-2018, 02:42 PM
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If it matters. The M2 for the same physical size holds one less round than the shield. Plus magguts makes +1 and +2 conversion kits to the shield mags to extend capacity even further. Not sure if they make + comversions for the M2.

Again IF capacity matters to you, it may be something to consider.
They make 6, 7, and 8 rounds for the M2. It's comparable in size to the Shield.
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:22 PM
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Sportsmans Warehouse has the LE edition on sale for $350. I don't need another carry gun but decided to pick one up to compare with my other carry pistols.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:25 PM
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I have the Shield M1 and PPS M2. I really can't say either is better than the other.
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:27 PM
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I have both the PPS M2 and the Shield. I carry the PPS. Both are excellent guns but I like the feel of the Walther better. I also like the Walther magazines, no floating spacer on the seven and eight round magazines. I find the seven rounder to be the best in terms of shootability combined with concealment.

I actually have three PPS M2s, one for carry, one for practice, and a spare. The most I paid for any of them was $315 and the cheapest was $285, all NIB. I paid $340 for my Shield and thought that was a great deal at the time.

Overall I think both are excellent and if one can be had significantly cheaper than the other go for that one.
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Own the PC Shield 9mm and finally got a chance a few days ago to smoke over a PPS M2. While I still haven't had the opportunity to shoot the PPS, the ergonomics of it feel better in the hand over the Shield. Gonna have to add one to the stable.
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To those buying a PPS M2, I wish you luck and hope you get a good one! Keep an eye on your barrel for the peening issue.
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To those buying a PPS M2, I wish you luck and hope you get a good one! Keep an eye on your barrel for the peening issue.
True. I sold off my PPS M2 after I saw that Walther was pretty much blowing it off.
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Mines has been fine. Nothing wrong with it, and not too many people, other than a small handful, who have problems or even claim to have that issue. The only issue I had was the phosphorescent dit falling out of the rear site. Which is a common complaint. I replaced them with night sights, and shot Walther an email, and the replacement the phosphorescent sights...

The only issues I had with my Shields were with the recoil springs breaking apart on relatively new pistols...
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I had a Shield in 9mm but I just couldn't shoot it well. Sold it off and got a PPS (gen1 not 2). Before buying it, I read somewhere that the PPS " shoots like a bigger gun." I couldn't agree more. Love the way it shoots. Even in rapid fire it stays where I put it. I like the grip on the new M2 PPS but it looses the ambi mag release and squared trigger guard that I like so much.
Bottom line, guns are a personal preference. Most folks would be likely be happy with either.
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Mines has been fine. Nothing wrong with it, and not too many people, other than a small handful, who have problems or even claim to have that issue. The only issue I had was the phosphorescent dit falling out of the rear site. Which is a common complaint. I replaced them with night sights, and shot Walther an email, and the replacement the phosphorescent sights...

The only issues I had with my Shields were with the recoil springs breaking apart on relatively new pistols...
I'm glad yours is fine. I bought 3 different PPS M2's over a year and a half, and all 3 suffered the barrel peening. Maybe I just have bad luck. I really want to get another one, but after being burned three times, I have to pass.
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I actually have three PPS M2s, one for carry, one for practice, and a spare.
Glad I'm not the only sick one...I find something I like and my illness requires me to have two or more of the same.
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I very much like my PPS M2 - but, just sayiní - the mags are hard as hell to fully load unless you let them sit fully-loaded for a couple weeks. The phosphorescent (sp?) sights are surprisingly good after a little charge with a flashlight. Last thing - the cocking indicator is a great feature.

Edited to add: I see I paid WAY too much for mine ... Cabela's had them discounted to $399 (from 499) and I thought I was getting a good deal. Either way - it's a keeper. Ref mag springs - note that the 6-RD uses the same spring as the 8-RD - and thus my comment about the mags being difficult to load. Shoulda specified 6-RD ...
Well, both of my Shields (.40,9mm), have magazines that I about break my thumbs loading them up, and they have been used quite a bit.
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I'm glad yours is fine. I bought 3 different PPS M2's over a year and a half, and all 3 suffered the barrel peening. Maybe I just have bad luck. I really want to get another one, but after being burned three times, I have to pass.
same here. I bought one when they first came out for like $420, and noticed the peening... solid it and bought a shield .45 ......

then I decided to get a second one a year later when they had the $100 rebates for Walther.... This one was worse. you could actually see the trigger bar sliding towards center. At that point i traded some guy who really wanted it for a Glock 43 that hadn't been fired. never looked back.

I have no problems with a company that has an issue with a certain model, but Walther just shrugging it off and telling people "it's normal" really soured me to the PPS M2. I still have my P99c's though. The P99 is the flagship gun for all of Walther right now
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Shot the LE version. I liked the sights but otherwise the trigger was on par with my shield 1.0 and the shield to me felt slightly more solidly built.
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Early Shield, LC9< G43, and PPS then PPS M2.

Love the PPS M2 if a bit thin for my large hands.

Went with the PPQ SC 9mm

and hope to see one in .45 ACP.
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