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Old 08-13-2016, 08:12 PM
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Just picked up a .45 Shield today, and can't wait to take it to the range when the rain lets up.

I cleaned the pistol, including the magazines, and can't figure out how to get the "floorplate catch" and floorplate re-assembled on the 7 rounder. Is there some trick to getting the spring, catch, and floorplate back together?

Stuffing all of it into the magazine tube is what's giving me fits. Thanks.
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Old 08-13-2016, 08:23 PM
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Can you send a pic?

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Old 08-13-2016, 08:31 PM
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I just took my mag apart and put it back together do you need help?

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Old 08-13-2016, 08:48 PM
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Make sure you have the spring and bottom plate pointed in the right direction, and the bottom plate against the spring. Push the spring into the magazine with the bottom plate, then slide the retainer plate over the bottom plate and make sure the raise area clicks into the opening of the bottom plate.

I'm sure my titles of the pieces is not correct, and just going from a poor memory on the procedure. It works on a similar pistol for me.

Have a blessed evening,

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Old 08-13-2016, 08:58 PM
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Let me get a pic posted.
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Old 08-13-2016, 09:15 PM
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Here are a few pics. I can't seem to fit the small
"arms" of the "floor plate catch" into the mag tube along with the spring which it slips on to. Thanks for your help.
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Old 08-13-2016, 09:26 PM
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When I have a hard time I get a small screw driver and push the bottom plate down enough for me to slide the end cap on. That must be one tight spring. Mine was like that when I first got it but I've used mine so much that it has loosened us a lot.

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Old 08-13-2016, 09:28 PM
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Once I get the floorplate "catch" thingey stuffed into the floorplate, I can't slide the inner grooves on both sides of the plastic floorplate onto the ledge on both sides of the outer stainless mag tube without the spring getting hung up.

I've got to be doing something wrong. I never had a floorplate with this design.
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Old 08-13-2016, 09:29 PM
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Check the photos in your manual.
I know from my 9mm the need to be lined up just right.
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Old 08-13-2016, 09:30 PM
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When I have a hard time I get a small screw driver and push the bottom plate down enough for me to slide the end cap on. That must be one tight spring. Mine was like that when I first got it but I've used mine so much that it has loosened us a lot.

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I'll try to get a punch or small driver to compress the spring like you suggest. Thanks.
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Old 08-13-2016, 09:30 PM
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Are the arms attached to the floor plate or the spring.......dang yours is different from mine.

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Old 08-13-2016, 09:31 PM
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Stuffing all of it into the magazine tube is what's giving me fits. Thanks.
I push the spring into the mag with a pencil-eraser and push a punch through the holes to hold in place, then assemble.
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Old 08-13-2016, 09:53 PM
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Make sure you have the spring and bottom plate pointed in the right direction, and the bottom plate against the spring. Push the spring into the magazine with the bottom plate, then slide the retainer plate over the bottom plate and make sure the raise area clicks into the opening of the bottom plate.

I'm sure my titles of the pieces is not correct, and just going from a poor memory on the procedure. It works on a similar pistol for me.

Have a blessed evening,

Leon
Your naming of the pieces is fine...what I have in front of me, just doesn't seem to work together the way yours does. But thanks for your help anyway.
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Old 08-13-2016, 09:57 PM
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May I suggest I none of our ideas work that you try a sledgehammer or dynamite...... totally kidding. Honestly though you can call Smith and Wesson and tell them the problem.....they may be able to help.

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Old 08-14-2016, 12:11 AM
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Are the arms attached to the floor plate or the spring.......dang yours is different from mine.

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The arms are a part of a flat piece of metal which nests in the floor plate...I just figured it out.

I thought that a rolled narrow piece of the flat metal was supposed to slide into the first turn of the spring, when apparently it wasn't attached to the spring at all.

When I put it together without the attachment, the floor plate finally slid over the stainless ledges of the bottom of the magazine tube.

Thanks all of you for waking my brain up, and enabling me to get the mag together again.
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Old 08-14-2016, 12:19 AM
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That 7 rounder is just about the silliest *** design I've ever seen for a magazine. Mine gave me some fits the first time when I disassembled it for cleaning and Duracoating.

For those of you whom have not taken down the Shield 45 7 rounder its a little different design than your usual mag. There's a small fork spring clip that is a rather fiddly little booger.
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Old 08-14-2016, 06:01 PM
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Hi again everybody. What I thought was a successful re-assembly of the 7 round mag. last night was only a "stuff it together success"... I can only get 6 rnds into the magazine.

And Holmes375, I agree that I've never seen a magazine like this one before. And the "fork spring clip" that you mentioned in your post is the part that's still giving me problems...I just can't get the blasted thing together correctly.

Do you have any hints as to how you finally assembled it that first time?

Thanks.
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Old 08-14-2016, 09:37 PM
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I found that you must hold that flat plate on top of the spring and keep that little tongue on the front of the plate in the corresponding spot at the front of the mag wall as you slip the base plate into position. I finally put a piece of leather around the outside of my mag and placed it in my bench vise for use as a third hand. After I slid the base plate onto the mag over the interior plate, I could then hold the interior plate down in its corrrect position with a small punch and slide the base plate into position. I also found that using my finger down on the side of the plate to hold/move those two "legs" of the interior plate toward the rear, in other words straight up and down allowed them to fit properly into the corresponding slots in the base plate and pop up into position as the base plate moved fully into position. Until I put the mag in my vice so I could use both hands to do this job, I fought it till I was about to get up. After finally getting it done and figuring out how to do it, it then was much easier! It's definitely not as easy as the instructions make it out to be, and the instructions could certainly provide more valuable information with the 7 round mag reassembly!
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Old 08-15-2016, 09:16 AM
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kthom, thanks for your advice...I think that with both hands available to guide both base plates into position, I might have a chance at getting the thing together.

I'm off to the garage (with a small vice) to give me the use of both hands. Wish me luck everybody.
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Old 08-15-2016, 10:01 AM
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Let us know how it goes!
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Old 08-15-2016, 10:31 AM
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I just went through the process of cleaning the 7-round mag and after about 30 minutes of head scratching and cursing I got it back together correctly. If you are mechanically challenged don't disassemble the magazine, take it to your LGS and let them clean it for you.
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Old 08-15-2016, 10:45 AM
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Could you tell me whether the "arms" of the interior plate are supposed to be inside the magazine tube, or on the outside like pictured in the owners manual?
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Old 08-15-2016, 11:22 AM
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I just got off the phone with S&W customer service, and I got the feeling that they didn't know how the 7 round mag is designed...he asked me if the "dimple" on the floorplate catch was facing correctly. The 6 round catch might have a dimple, but I'll be hanged if I'm going to take that magazine apart to see.
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Old 08-15-2016, 11:24 AM
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By the way, no luck in assembling the thing out in the garage...I don't think if I had 6 hands I'd be able to assemble this cursed magazine.

I'll try S&W again later today.

Thanks again.
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Could you tell me whether the "arms" of the interior plate are supposed to be inside the magazine tube, or on the outside like pictured in the owners manual?
The "arms" go outside the tube and they retract into the floorplate when slid into place.
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Old 08-15-2016, 01:10 PM
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The "arms" go outside the tube and they retract into the floorplate when slid into place.
Correct. When the baseplate is slid into position the arms will tend to tilt towards the front of the front of the magazine. Pull the arms rearward and they'll snap in and retract into the baseplate.

Once you've done it a few times you'll get the knack of sliding the baseplate and the holding the arms in just the right manner for them to pop into place together.

A Qwik-Clamp makes a good "third hand" for the procedure if one lacks vise.

An incredibly stupid design that complicates the normally simple task of cleaning and maintaining one's magazines. Many users may want to simply adopt a cleaning procedure using a polymer-safe aerosol pressure blast product.
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I thought that a rolled narrow piece of the flat metal was supposed to slide into the first turn of the spring, when apparently it wasn't attached to the spring at all.

When I put it together without the attachment, the floor plate finally slid over the stainless ledges of the bottom of the magazine tube.
Thank you, sonofthebeach! I made the same mistake, and leaving the spring unattached solved it for me too!
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I tell you what. That 7 round magazine for the shield 45 is no joke...lol It drove me nuts for a little while. I finally got it back together and you have to line it up just right for the backplate to go on.
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Old 10-11-2016, 01:15 AM
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Have you looked at YouTube?

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Sorry for the late reply. I took the mag to a local gunsmith, and he got the thing together. I don't think I could do it myself.

The YouTube video is helpful, except that the magazine used is more or less a commonly available design that I'm used to taking apart and putting together. The Shield 7 rounder has that cursed metal part that I'm having trouble with.

The one thing that the YouTube video does very well is stress the importance of cleaning magazines once in a while since they can also get gunked up over time, and it's very easy to never take them apart since the insides aren't visible (out of sight, out of mind).

Thanks for all who helped me with this.

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Lee in Quarzite, while I was editing my last reply, I noticed you added videos that are available that will definitely help me with the Shield mag.

I started a thread early this morning in which I brought up another problem with my pistol...I'm having problems with the slide locking open after one or two rounds successfully firing and ejecting, leaving the 2nd or 3rd round in the magazine never moving up into chambering position.

I already sent the pistol to S&W for this, and the problem still exists. I am happy with S&W's service...they picked up the tab on the freight, even if they apparently aren't aware of the problem so they can fix it.

Thanks again everybody.
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I found myself cursing myself for disassembling my two 7 round mags last week! took me an hour to figure it out, the trick mentioned here removing the metal piece from the spring did the trick for me. immediately went together after that

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Old 10-29-2016, 01:05 PM
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Lee in Quarzite, while I was editing my last reply, I noticed the additional videos at the end of the first one that will definitely help me with the Shield 7 rounder mag.

I started a thread early this morning in which I brought up another problem with my pistol...I'm having problems with the slide locking open after one or two rounds successfully firing and ejecting, leaving the 2nd or 3rd round in the magazine never moving up into chambering position.

I already sent the pistol to S&W for this, and the problem still exists. I am happy with S&W's service...they picked up the tab on the freight, even if they apparently aren't aware of the problem so they can fix it.

Thanks again everybody.
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I gotta ask this. No disrespect intended, but WHY do you take apart brand new magazines? In over 50 years of shooting, the only magazines I have taken apart were 10-22 magazines after thousands of rounds.
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Why do you guys all feel like you need to take your mags apart. Do they drop in mud and get stepped on? I only take mags apart when I've REALLY gotten them dirty.

Not criticizing, just curious.
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Put it back as you took it out, after cleaning. As you see the two metal forks on the side of the mag, they are slanted toward the front of the mag. You have to use a scratch-awl or ice-pick that is very narrow, push it up into the hole in the bottom of the baseplate, when it pushed the metal with the fork attached, parallel to the baseplate, it will snap into place. Dealing with these magazines I wonder why I clean them so often, habit I guess. They are very poorly designed. I bought my Shield for Christmas, just tried it out, shoots great, but the extended mag is better, but I had trouble with both magazines. The smaller one the dimple inside to lock the mag, doesn't match with the baseplate, got to go to the manufacturer
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Old 01-11-2017, 03:25 PM
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I had a heck of a time getting my extended mag together too. If I ever take it apart again I will drill a small hole through the bottom of the plastic floor plate, after its apart, so a small punch can be inserted to hold the front of the metal plate down in front. I think that would force the little arms in position so it all can slip in place. One hole is not enough to push the metal plate down without the front end popping up and not letting the arms be in the correct position.
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I had to remove the bottom steel plate from the spring to get it back together, I wrestled with it for 2 days lol, before I saw that tip on this forum

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Talking to Smith-Wesson once floorplate is on the 45 7 round magazine and pushed all the way back. The prongs are to be pushed backwards and they will retract into the floorplate due to the pressure from the spring. They slide back into the grooves.
I had one of two with the reassembly problem.
Then troubleshooting the issue on the other one ended up with the same problem. So now I have two magazines not useable. While talking to support one actually sprung back, really surprised me when it happened.
I also had a slide release problem with the 45 Shield in which two hands could not get the slide release to work and had to send it back. So I iincluded all the magazines. Before I boxed them, that second one snapped back in place, but this shouldn't be so hard for cleaning etc..
I also had hard time getting more than 3 rounds into those magazines without my UPLULA, very stiff springs. Never had this much trouble with rounds except for the last 1 or2 rounds.
But this is what I found to share.
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Old 05-02-2017, 10:26 PM
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To get the baseplate off you push the springplate in and the "forks" pop out at an angle and the baseplate can now be removed. Easy peezy.

Slide the base plate off, and yes the springplate on the spring IS threaded on the spring.

To reassemble push the spring thru the magazine (only goes one way)....push the springplate down into position with the forks on the outside of the magazine, slide the baseplate back on and all the way back and you see the "forks" angled (just as you did when you initially pushed the baseplate to get it all off). Now with one hand hold the front nose of the baseplate on, pushing backwards, and use a screwdriver to slide one of the forks backwards, this will line both "forks" up straight and it will spring load back into the grooves in the base plate. Baseplate is now locked on. DONE.

Super easy once you get the hang of it. Dumb *** design.

Pics if you need.
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Old 05-03-2017, 06:48 AM
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First piccy shows the tangs out of their groove due to unlocking the floorplate from the base, they should be straight up and down along the long axis of the mag when seated in their base slots. This denotes that the floorplate is also canted/stuck inside at this angle on a perpendicular...

Second piccy shows the whole mess pulled apart, note the tangs and their notches they fit through on the outside of the mag...

Third piccy shows the base, hopefully at a lighting angle so you can see the grooves in the rear that the tangs fit in to, also note the large notch in the front to arrest the large tongue on the front of the floorplate...

Fourth piccy...this was a trickky piccy (coulda been a disaster) This shows all the alignment as it goes back together, then slide the base back on. (and yes I held it backwards and had to spin it around )

The actual "trick" comes when your all done because the floorplate will naturally "cant" like it does in the first pic and not be properly locked in. Then I reach in the lock slot with a punch and work to "level" the floorplate inside. When its just right it will all "snap" down in place in the base.
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Newer vid...

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Good video. Far better than forcing the legs straight with a screwdriver and feeling them snap back into the mag with more force than is necessary or wanted.
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Good video. Far better than forcing the legs straight with a screwdriver and feeling them snap back into the mag with more force than is necessary or wanted.
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Thank you very much. Nice of you to say.

Especially on your first post!

Welcome to the madness
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