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Old 09-28-2016, 08:19 AM
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When purchasing a 9mm shield do you purchase thumb safety or NO thumb safety?? Any comments or suggestions please.
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Old 09-28-2016, 08:27 AM
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My first one had a thumb safety as that was the only option at the time. When they came out with the 10086 version (no thumb safety and night sights) I bought one and am in the processing of selling my original Shield.

For me, if that gun comes out of the holster, I have every intent to use it, and I want nothing between me and trigger. Others have different opinions which I respect and understand.

My procedures allow me to holster the gun and then insert holstered gun into my waistband. The entire time the trigger is covered. If I have to draw, I only have to attain the sight picture and squeeze the trigger.

This is just my opinion and you have to decide for yourself want you are comfortable with.
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Old 09-28-2016, 08:42 AM
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True!! Some folks say a thumb safety only gets in the way but when your new at constantly carrying a gun daily it can be different than just having one at home for self defense. After our daughter was robbed and beaten in broad daylight we all will be carrying a gun. So in this case I wouldn't have wanted her to have a safety. But for now she's almost 21 and I was with her but didn't have my gun with me at the time. I had got out of the car to go in the store and a guy jumped in her car. Thank god she is alive!!!
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Old 09-28-2016, 08:51 AM
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When purchasing a 9mm shield do you purchase thumb safety or NO thumb safety?? Any comments or suggestions please.
You must be new to guns!

I prefer without unless it's absolutely necessary for function.

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Old 09-28-2016, 08:56 AM
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True!! Some folks say a thumb safety only gets in the way but when your new at constantly carrying a gun daily it can be different than just having one at home for self defense. After our daughter was robbed and beaten in broad daylight we all will be carrying a gun. So in this case I wouldn't have wanted her to have a safety. But for now she's almost 21 and I was with her but didn't have my gun with me at the time. I had got out of the car to go in the store and a guy jumped in her car. Thank god she is alive!!!
Thank God indeed!

The thumb safety on the Shield is very low profile. It won't get in the way if you choose not to use it but if you do, it is easy to engage/disengage with a swipe of your thumb. You just need to train for it. Since I am still a newbie with guns I want thumb safeties on my guns.
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Old 09-28-2016, 08:58 AM
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No not new to guns just new to semi automatic. I have always had a smith and Wesson 38 revolver but as I have gotten older I like the semi's better. I've never had a safety on my gun before.

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Old 09-28-2016, 09:06 AM
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I just don't care, one way or the other. Both of my Shields have that safety on the side. It's what was in stock, at the time I bought them. I'm too old to care for the "safety is between my ears", and all of that.
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Old 09-28-2016, 09:22 AM
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You can always flip it off , nice to have the option

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Old 09-28-2016, 09:29 AM
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I really don't like it, don't' need it, and don't use it, so I prefer not to have it. when I got my shield that it was the only option but when the no thumb safety came out I sold it and got me one without. I plan to do the same for my next purchase the shield 45.
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Old 09-28-2016, 09:31 AM
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No not new to guns just new to semi automatic. I have always had a smith and Wesson 38 revolver but as I have gotten older I like the semi's better. I've never had a safety on my gun before.
Ah... gotcha! I have a 1911 which obviously requires a safety. I also have guns with safeties but they are optional. I like the gun so I just don't bother with the safety. The gun I carry has no safety

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Old 09-28-2016, 09:36 AM
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I don't like safeties for the same reason as hunter8282. However, while I have been shooting for about 17 yrs, I just started carrying about 2 yrs ago. So my answer has been to install an Apex duty/carry trigger spring in my M&P9 compact. This makes the initial trigger pull heavier so I have that relatively long, and now more noticeable, pull to help make sure I don't screw up.
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Old 09-28-2016, 09:53 AM
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You can always flip it off , nice to have the option
I agree and I'm not new to guns as someone suggested above, that because someone is considering one with a safety, they must be a rookie.

I chose the safety model because all my CZ's and Beretta's have thumb safeties so no big deal to me as I have used them for years.

I have no intentions to use it when holstered up as a CCW but like you said it's nice to have at times, say like when/if a new to handguns person wants to try your Shield and you can flip it on while in the process of handing over to them and setting them up to fire.

I have absolutely zero concern of it "accidentally" flipping on, at the worst possible time, scenario....
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Old 09-28-2016, 09:56 AM
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I don't subscribe to the cult of "Experienced shooters don't need no stinkin safety."

Being used to the 1911 SAO platforms, I want a thumb safety unless the pistol is DAO with a fairly long trigger pull, as LCP's or Kahr's... M&P's and Glocks have short, crisp triggers and really should have external safeties (especially with aftermarket Apex or Ghost triggers.

I installed the thumb safety in my M&P 9C after installing a Apex FSS trigger kit and bought my .45 Shield with safety.

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Old 09-28-2016, 10:03 AM
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I agree and I'm not new to guns as someone suggested above, that because someone is considering one with a safety, they must be a rookie. ....


I only suggested it because 99% of new gun owners are the ones who ask about safeties. Typically gun owners have a good understanding of which do what and what they like. New gun owners don't have experience to realize that some safeties are essential while others are just added insurance. For instance, you need to use the thumb safety on a 1911 or a hipower but you don't need to use it on a Beretta 92 or a S&W 5906 or the M&P. Some safeties are optional, some are not.

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Old 09-28-2016, 10:04 AM
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I personally see NO reason NOT to have a safety on a shield. I load, un-load, chamber and holster with the safety on. Once securely seated in my holster I switch the safety off.
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Old 09-28-2016, 10:16 AM
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If you have an external manual safety on a pistol and don't routinely train with it, one day Murphy will raise his ugly head, and you will be standing there with a safety that somehow got pushed ON, wondering why your gun won't shoot.

When it all goes south, we do not rise to the level of our expectations, but fall to the level of our training....at best.

Because they know the above is true, no serious competitor would have a gratuitous safety that they sometimes use or not on a handgun they use for any serious purpose.
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Old 09-28-2016, 10:19 AM
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This topic has been discussed at least weekly here if not more often and it always comes down to personal preference.

My opinion and preference is without the safety. Here's the deal, the M&P line is completely safe without a safety providing you always follow the 4 gun safety rules and carry in a quality holster that was specifically designed for the gun. Again, this gun simply will not "go off" unless you start messing with the trigger at which point all bets are off.

If you feel more comfortable with the safety then by all means get one with the safety. Otherwise just pick up the no safety model and go shoot. It's all up to you.


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Old 09-28-2016, 10:30 AM
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I'm in the no safety camp...can you feel the but coming...but with the Shield I just don't think I care either way. Both my Shields 9mm & .45acp have safeties. The safeties are small and very positive in switching on and off. I leave the safeties off and just ignore them.

In hundreds of rounds down range never once have I inadvertently pushed the safety. Really with the Shield I would buy which ever I could find at the right price and not worry about it unless you're a "I want a safety" person.
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Old 09-28-2016, 10:53 AM
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Thank you all so much for the help.
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And there lies the dilemma that caused me to buy several types of guns (including the Shield w/safety) before I determined that for me, a DA/SA, w/decocker, wo/safety, ticks all the boxes.

I determined I did not want a safety on my carry, since I was not going to train with enough reality to know for sure what I'd do with it when the adrenaline flows.

Even though you could flip the safety off, the slight possibility exists for it to become engaged.

Without a safety, I wanted a safer and heavier first trigger pull than most striker guns offered.

With double action guns, I had a tendency of short-stroking the trigger on rapid follow-up shots.

Finally discovered an action type that provided what I sought. A small subset of pistols, DA/SA, w/decocker, wo/safety.
A safe, long and heavy first pull, with a short reset and light pull for followup shots. No safety to ever get in the way.

Back to the Shield. With a safety, it adds an action you must complete before you can use it. Without a safety, the relatively lite trigger demands more discipline to avoid an accidental discharge (Google Glock Leg).

There's nothing "wrong" with whatever you choose, it's just a matter of what you prefer. In my case, it took a couple of years and several guns before I determined my preference. On the bright side, I now own several alternate carry choices.

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No not new to guns just new to semi automatic. I have always had a smith and Wesson 38 revolver but as I have gotten older I like the semi's better. I've never had a safety on my gun before.
Does your revolver have a safety? That was the 1st question the LGS asked me when I bought my Kahr several years back and was concerned about a safety or rather the lack there of. Before that, I was only familiar with 1911 and Colt Mustang .380s. Never thought about it that way but do now.

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I personally see NO reason NOT to have a safety on a shield. I load, un-load, chamber and holster with the safety on. Once securely seated in my holster I switch the safety off.
Personally I agree with quicksilver. My Shield 45 has a safety but once holstered, the safety comes off.
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No one is going to force you to put the safety on if you don't want too ! If the gun has a safety , it's use is optional !
I typically pin the grip safety down on my 1911 Colt 45 acp's. My first 45 , a Star model PS had no grip safety at all and I came to like that arrangement .
You don't like the safety....don't engage it.
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I prefer the safety. I like to throw mine in my pocket sometimes without a holster. If I IWB carry I just leave the safety off.
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Some people like safeties, some don't. The revolver safety question isn't exactly fair, because revolvers generally have 10-12 pound DA trigger pulls, while striker fired pistols with or without safeties are in the 5 to 7 pound range.

I've got pistols with and without safeties. There's no big elephant in the corner reason for or against a manual safety. It's all in what you are comfortable with regarding that particular pistol. Make a choice and run with it. Your mind may change over the years . . .
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My Shield PC has a safety, my other MP 9's do not. While only used at the range, the safety isn't a concern. But when i'm at the point of buying a holster and actually training to carry the Shield, then I will have that as part of the training and practice.

Only been a gun owner for 4 yrs so while i've shot thousands of rounds at the range I dont have all the experience many others here do for carrying, safety use, etc. But i can understand how being newer to this that a safety could give me some piece of mind in certain circumstances.... knowing that it has to become an integral part of any training i am to do
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My Shield has the safety. I like it. I want it. I use it. All my guns have thumb safeties. YMMV.
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My Shield 9mm did have the safety.
My Shield 45 has the safety.
I don't use them (one exception) and the Shield 45 safety lever is stiff enough that it is not going to be engaged accidently.

The one exception is after cleaning the weapon I will engage the safety to insert the mag and rack one in the chamber then the safety is released, the gun is holstered and remains holstered until it needs to be fired. (that includes the range).

Some however, feel more secure with the safety engaged and as long as they train in that mode that's fine and not a problem.

To each his own...but for me no big deal either way
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I've carried a Shield 9 daily pretty much since they were introduced. It has the safety. I don't use it. I have operated it a few times just to satisfy myself that it is VERY unlikely to be operated unless a deliberate attempt to do so occurs. I have NEVER had the safety lever move from either position to the other while carrying. I also have a Shield .45 that has the safety. I can actually operate it fairly well with my thumb both ways, but it to requires a very deliberate action to move the safety. I've been carrying the .45 daily for about a month now. The safety has been in the "off" position during that time, as is the one on the 9 for the duration. I have no concerns about accidental activation or deactivation of the safety on either gun. I don't use it! I'm comfortable with that (I'm an old long time revolver man). So I care less whether or not the gun has one. Had the no safety model been available when I purchased either on, I'd have bought the one with no safety. But that was not the case so mine do have the safety in place. For me, it simply makes no difference. I do not mind having the safety since there could possibly be some time when I might use it for a specific reason, but otherwise, it simply stays in the "off" position. That's my decision for me, but my experience tells me that it will not be a problem. I will not say that moving the safety unintentionally is not possible. Very few things in life are totally impossible! But I will say that it is extremely unlikely to happen unintentionally. That works for me. You have to decide for yourself what you are comfortable with.
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Since I am still a newbie with guns I want thumb safeties on my guns.
This is a misnomer. Thumb safeties do not make the operation of the gun safer. It matters not if you're new to guns.

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I have a 1911 which obviously requires a safety.
Why obviously? The 1911 was originally designed without a thumb safety. The thumb safety was only added because the military demanded it.

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I carry AIWB and don't want to inadvertently shoot my dick off.
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I personally see NO reason NOT to have a safety on a shield.
You may switch it off once holstered, but if it inadvertently gets switched on, unlikely I know, it would be a bad day if you needed it.

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Does your revolver have a safety?
People say this a lot when this discussion comes up. However, it's an apples to oranges comparison. Unless you carry your revolver cocked, it's completely irrelevant.



The thumb safety on any M&P is superfluous. They only added it because of public desire. All it does is block the movement of the trigger. If you carry properly, with the trigger covered, the thumb safety serves no purpose.
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Just went to pick up my new 9mm shield with tritium night sights with no safety. $479.99 which was good with night sights bc the regular shield was $422 so I'm pretty happy.
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I purchased my .45 Shield sans manual safety. I didn't really see a need for it, nor did I feel it made the pistol "safer."

I won't knock anyone who insists on one, however, and I think it's great that S&W catered to both camps.
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I am new to CC so I looked for a gun w safety . I don't quick draw as it is carried in my purse . I will train flipping off the safety. My purse "holster" is a Crossbred Kydex purse defender system . I wanted to be as secure and safe as possible with "one in the chamber" . Heard to many AD stories . Sometimes I feel like it is a put down if you prefer a safety.
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For every one story you can show me where a safety got somebody hurt or
Killed during a self defense situation, I can find you 50 where a manual safety would have prevented an unnecessary injury or death. A woman was shot and killed by her 2 year old who got a hold of her Shield in a Walmart. It was in her purse and she had turned away. Yeah, she shouldn't have done that, but she's human and made a mistake. We all can.

The odds of any of us needing a gun in a self defense situation are astronomical. Odds are much better of an ND. Before Glock came along, millions of semi auto pistols with safeties were being carried and nobody felt like they were a liability.
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For every one story you can show me where a safety got somebody hurt or
Killed during a self defense situation, I can find you 50 where a manual safety would have prevented an unnecessary injury or death. A woman was shot and killed by her 2 year old who got a hold of her Shield in a Walmart. It was in her purse and she had turned away. Yeah, she shouldn't have done that, but she's human and made a mistake. We all can.

The odds of any of us needing a gun in a self defense situation are astronomical. Odds are much better of an ND. Before Glock came along, millions of semi auto pistols with safeties were being carried and nobody felt like they were a liability.
Exactly, one handles a gun 365 times a year at a bare minimum, load/unload, in and out of holster and many other times. All Have potential for an accident or a brain fart.

Didn't always think that, was up the mountains in the woods one day and had my 9c in a Fobus paddle holster. The rivets on the holster were irritating my side. Removed the 9c from holster to adjust and tripped. Gun fell from hand as I tried to catch myself.

Now, I know the 9c is drop safe and should have let it drop, but the natural inclination is to try to catch anything that you drop, which is what I did, snagged the trigger and gun fired into ground


Been carrying daily since 1980, even at home, and always handle any weapon only in the basement surrounded by 20,000 miles of dirt. Still do that but with either Shield 9, 45 or 9c with safety. From 1988 until 2014, carry gun was a G19 or G26.

When gun is carried daily, safety is snapped off when holstered and on before removing. It's a no brainer now in my book, especially with the Shield safety, it's like it's not even there

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the reason I buy MPs is because of the thumb safety.
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I was a 1911 owner long before I ever thought about an M&P. So I've trained for using the thumb saftey. Now that I have aquired a couple of M&P's, for me the TS was an easy decision. But....you absolutely must train and train so that engaging and disengaging is pure muscle memory. Again, train with it, otherwise it could be a liability in a stress situation.
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My first pistol was a Colt 1911a1 and my thumb seems to wind up on the safety of my Shield when it comes out of the holster.
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I was a 1911 owner long before I ever thought about an M&P. So I've trained for using the thumb saftey. Now that I have aquired a couple of M&P's, for me the TS was an easy decision. But....you absolutely must train and train so that engaging and disengaging is pure muscle memory. Again, train with it, otherwise it could be a liability in a stress situation.
What you say makes sense to me. However, I have been doing lots of research on this and I keep coming across articles and videos from people who train others in handgun skills and I keep hearing how even those who have decades of experience while in a pistol class, many times forget to flip the safety off in drills. This is with out the stress of life and death so for me, I am really at a crossroads here as a new guy to pistols.
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Exactly, one handles a gun 365 times a year at a bare minimum, load/unload, in and out of holster and many other times. All Have potential for an accident or a brain fart.

Didn't always think that, was up the mountains in the woods one day and had my 9c in a Fobus paddle holster. The rivets on the holster were irritating my side. Removed the 9c from holster to adjust and tripped. Gun fell from hand as I tried to catch myself.

Now, I know the 9c is drop safe and should have let it drop, but the natural inclination is to try to catch anything that you drop, which is what I did, snagged the trigger and gun fired into ground


Been carrying daily since 1980, even at home, and always handle any weapon only in the basement surrounded by 20,000 miles of dirt. Still do that but with either Shield 9, 45 or 9c with safety. From 1988 until 2014, carry gun was a G19 or G26.

When gun is carried daily, safety is snapped off when holstered and on before removing. It's a no brainer now in my book, especially with the Shield safety, it's like it's not even there
No offense but you could have avoided the situation altogether if you had a real holster and not that **** Fobus paddle. That's a range holster at best.
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What you say makes sense to me. However, I have been doing lots of research on this and I keep coming across articles and videos from people who train others in handgun skills and I keep hearing how even those who have decades of experience while in a pistol class, many times forget to flip the safety off in drills. This is with out the stress of life and death so for me, I am really at a crossroads here as a new guy to pistols.
My question is, why? Why does the M&P need a thumb safety? The striker is not cocked. The pistols are drop safe. What are you really gaining by having one? If it's just for your peace of mind OK, but there is no mechanical reason for it.

If you're new to guns the answer is education and training, not a switch to make up for poor gun handling or holster choice.
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My question is, why? Why does the M&P need a thumb safety? The striker is not cocked. The pistols are drop safe. What are you really gaining by having one? If it's just for your peace of mind OK, but there is no mechanical reason for it.

If you're new to guns the answer is education and training, not a switch to make up for poor gun handling or holster choice.
Here is what I have come up with so far as to your question, (and mine) of why a safety?

1.Because I am learning how pistols work I tend to do lots of research, and that is an understatement, as to how they work specifically the striker system. Here is a quote from another thread here on the forum from Smakmauz....


"The strikers on all the M&P series are in fact about 98% cocked. The trigger pull only moves the striker back a tiny amount. If there was no striker safety block in the gun and the striker dropped, there would be sufficient energy to ignight most primers. The trigger pull deactivates the striker block in in its first 'stage and then realeases the striker.

This one reason why it's extremely important to practice good trigger control and interference awareness when holstering.

With glock, the striker is only 60-70% cocked so it probably wouldn't have enough energy to ignight if that striker was to bypass the safety but I'm not 100% sure on that. This is why glock has that longer trigger pull with that hefty snap at the end." It seems as the striker is cocked.

2. The Human equation.... I understand muscle memory very well and the importance of training. I am now and have been a professional martial arts instructor for over 3 decades of both empty hand and weapons some of which are bladed. Some people say that and teach one or two classes a week, I teach 33. I understand that people do make mistakes and considering the gravity of the possible consequences...it gets me thinking.
I am not so worried about me not keeping my finger off the trigger, but more so where something like a bunched up shirt, or a drawstring gets caught in the trigger guard while holstering. I have come across quite a few stories about that and it does worry me a bit.

So, like I said, I realize being a new guy to this there is much to learn and so far, as least for me, the jury is still out on how I will proceed with the question of using the thumb safety.

I do appreciate the input..thanks.

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That is my point, 98% is still not the same as being cocked. That 2% may not sound like much, but the engineers knew what they were doing.

You're exactly right about reholstering, this is the easiest time to have an accident and so you do have to be careful. I would cut the drawstrings off any jacket you intend to use while carrying a pistol. Remember there is no reward for speed holstering. You might even find it easier to take the holster off, put the gun in, and then put the holster back on.

Get a good holster too. Don't get something like a Blackhawk Serpa, which requires your trigger finger to release the gun. Don't get a cheap nylon holster that could collapse in on itself when you're trying to reholster. Don't get a paddle holster (poor retention, poor concealment).

On a gun like the M&P I consider a manual safety to be a false sense of security. It's just a piece of metal that could break or accidentally get switched on or off. Practice safe gun handling every time and it's superfluous.

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I don't like thumb safety on my pistols. However you could order it with thumb safety. If you ever want to eliminate the safety S&W will send you the safety delete plugs free.
Best of both worlds. If you think you may want a safety.
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First of all, realize that this thread is a year old and you may not get responses from some of the previous participants.

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...even those who have decades of experience while in a pistol class, many times forget to flip the safety off in drills.
If you use the proper grip, this is impossible. Your shooting hand thumb should be on top of the thumb safety.

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That is my point, 98% is still not the same as being cocked. That 2% may not sound like much, but the engineers knew what they were doing.
Wrong again. Well, the engineers do indeed know what they're doing, but the striker in an M&P is fully cocked.

I don't know where the 98% number came from, but it's wrong. If the striker moves at all from pressing the trigger, it's only because two flat surfaces that are touching will cam one surface as the other rotates. In the case of the M&P, the sear is only rotating about 5 which means the 1/64" of sear engagement will move the striker about .001" as the sear rotates. This does NOT cock the striker more or add any significant power to the striker.

If somehow the sear were to fall out of the way and the striker block was defeated, the gun would fire without the mythological extra move.

You are correct to say that the thumb safety is not really needed. All it does is block trigger movement. Some like it because it does reduce the possibility of ND while re-holstering.
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If you use the proper grip, this is impossible. Your shooting hand thumb should be on top of the thumb safety.

Wrong.Wrong again. Well, the engineers do indeed know what they're doing, but the striker in an M&P is fully cocked.

I don't know where the 98% number came from, but it's wrong. If the striker moves at all from pressing the trigger, it's only because two flat surfaces that are touching will cam one surface as the other rotates. In the case of the M&P, the sear is only rotating about 5 which means the 1/64" of sear engagement will move the striker about .001" as the sear rotates. This does NOT cock the striker more or add any significant power to the striker.

If somehow the sear were to fall out of the way and the striker block was defeated, the gun would fire without the mythological extra move.

You are correct to say that the thumb safety is not really needed. All it does is block trigger movement. Some like it because it does reduce the possibility of ND while re-holstering.
Thank you for the more technical explanation!
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We always see a lot of bickering and contradiction in threads on this topic.

One perspective is that since people are not perfect and can make mistakes, a manual safety is desirable. They will say the odds of actually needing your gun for self-defense are very low, but you carry and handle your weapon very frequently, so a safety just makes good sense. If we are going to go by the odds, then carrying a gun could be considered unnecessary.

Another perspective is that a manual safety is simply not needed and adherence to safety guidelines and proper training mitigates any need for it. Individuals with this viewpoint will assert to keep things as simple as they can be and that it's possible to fail to get it disengaged, especially during the stress and urgent pace of a life and death struggle and therefore shun manual safeties.

If failing to get it disengaged is possible no matter the training, then making a mistake and having an unintentional discharge is also possible no matter how careful someone happens to be. There are merits to both perspectives, so it's a matter of finding the right balance since there is no factually correct or incorrect answer for every individual.

I'm not perfect and realize I can and do make mistakes and the right balance for me is no manual safety and a heavier trigger pull. This keeps things as simple as possible while adding an adequate measure of safety. I do not feel my DAO revolvers need a manual safety nor do I feel my NY trigger equipped Glocks need them. If I bought a Shield, I would get the one with no manual safety and the MA trigger. A lot of folks will say marksmanship will suffer with a heavier trigger pull, but not all that much from my experience and surely not enough to matter in the close and fast scenarios of civilian self-defense. People always talk about proper training, but how many actually engage in realistic self-defense training in context? Very few in my opinion.
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I managed to survive a lot of years with no manual safety on my revolvers.
Why have one on a semi-auto?

I don't see the value added.
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Best of both worlds. If you think you may want a safety.
Not for the Shield. Full size, yes.
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