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Old 12-16-2016, 11:25 AM
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How would you suggest my wife carry her Body Guard?
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:34 AM
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I use an IWB from Kusiak Leather. A good holster that covers the trigger is a must.
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Old 12-16-2016, 02:38 PM
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Flashbang holsters are worth looking at. Not necessarily for the bra holsters but because they tend to make them smaller and smooth more of the rough edges on their other models.
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:27 PM
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I am sorry. Didn't make myself clear. How is the best was to carry, as in nothing in the chamber, cocked and locked, etc
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Old 12-16-2016, 07:49 PM
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The way she wants to. And she gets proper training to do so. Preferably from a professional.

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Old 12-16-2016, 07:58 PM
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The way she wants to. And she gets proper training to do so. Preferably from a professional.
I agree with this. Training towards being comfortable with one in the chamber. I am "fairly" new to carrying but having to "rack one" as the first step in that type of emergency never made much sense to me.
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Old 12-16-2016, 08:00 PM
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IMHO: If you carry for protection it makes no sense to carry an unloaded (non-charged) weapon. Cocked and locked is the way to go.
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Old 12-31-2016, 03:25 PM
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The BodyGuard380 is perfectly safe to carry with one in the chamber. This is a double-action-only gun. It requires a trigger pull to both cock and drop the hammer for every single shot.
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The BodyGuard380 is perfectly safe to carry with one in the chamber. This is a double-action-only gun. It requires a trigger pull to both cock and drop the hammer for every single shot.
....and it has a manual safety. Doesn't get much better than that. IMHO, these two features, along with it's size, make the BG 380 a stellar choice for pocket (or pocketbook) carry.
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Carrying with a loaded chamber allows for the quickest, most effective response to the greatest number of scenarios. It also eliminates another possible failure point.

However, I don't feel carrying a gun with an empty chamber is somehow worthless... The Thinking Gunfighter: THE MYTHS OF THE ISRAELI METHOD OF CARRY, or why carrying chamber empty isn’t so bad.

Getting training is a good idea, but the reality is some(most) people never will. Many people are simply never comfortable carrying with a round in the chamber or feel the risks of an unintentional discharge far outweigh the probability of being involved in a defense scenario where there is not time to rack the slide. In some cases and for some people that actually might be the best option. An example would be someone with little to no training who haphazardly carries a gun loose in a purse and doesn't maintain the weapon very well. Certain lifestyle may dictate that C3 carry is the best option. A DAO revolver is sometimes a better choice for some individuals who are uncomfortable with carrying with one in the chamber, but I've actually met people who are not comfortable carrying a loaded wheel gun.

Ultimately, your wife will have to decide for herself.
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IMHO: If you carry for protection it makes no sense to carry an unloaded (non-charged) weapon. Cocked and locked is the way to go.
Agreed. Attackers will not pause to let her rack the slide

Does it have a safety? If so, it should provide a "safety blanket". I would suggest having her unload the firearm and practice drawing and removing the safety. I do this often so it becomes second nature.

I also went through levels of comfort with my BG380 (first firearm)
1. No round in chamber
2. Round in chamber w/ safety
3. Currently carry w/ round in the chamber and no safety...unless i am at home

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Old 01-01-2017, 08:15 PM
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What is gained from empty chamber carry is safety. That's about it. One could argue some bizarre disarm scenario, but that would insincere and unrealistic IMO. I would bet unintentional discharges far outweigh the defensive use of firearms by civilians, so there are a lot of people out there carrying who think they are safe and responsible, but obviously are not. I've known some highly intelligent and well trained individuals who choose to carry C3/empty chamber, so I won't disparage their decision nor do I find their choice to necessarily be wrong or unreasonable.

While it's true attackers will not wait to give you time to better mount a counter-response, there are methods to gain time and distance. Carrying with one in the chamber allows the most immediate and effective reaction, but someone better trained and highly skilled carrying with an empty chamber will likely be more successful in defending themselves than a poorly trained, unskilled individual who is carrying with one in the pipe. With the rather tiny bodyguard and my large hands, I think I just might actually prefer having to rack the slide(gross motor skill) rather than have to disengage that tiny manual safety(requires a degree of dexterity) in a reactive defense scenario. I've seen a several documented cases of well trained folks missing large, ergonomic 1911 safeties during Force-on-Force/FoF drills and a small safety lever on a micro pistol would be much harder to consistently hit. Keep in mind performing any physical task on the range range or during controlled practice environment is much easier than during the chaotic conditions of a real defense scenario or even a dynamic FoF drill.

I have seen this video presented as an illustration of why empty chamber carry is a bad idea, but the problem is she is stabbed in both scenarios. What it reinforces for me is obviously the need not only for situational awareness and early threat recognition, but more importantly the need for unarmed defensive skills and evasive movement(Getting off the X/GOTX) with proper tactics being more important than C1 vs C3.

Her initial response is to try and draw while backpedaling which gains her very little additional time/distance and carries a high risk of falling. A much better option in this specific instance would be dynamic angular movement off the line of attack possibly combined with some sort of deflective unarmed technique. This might gain her the needed time to draw her weapon(and likely rack it if in C3) and get shots on target without getting stabbed at all. Either way, it's a better response than what was presented. I do understand that not everyone is so able bodied, so adjustments must be made or perhaps an entirely different tactic must be employed in such cases.

I'm not saying I recommend carrying with an empty chamber, but many do carry that way and they should understand its limitations and consider the best ways to possibly get around them as well as know it may very well leave them woefully unprepared in certain potential close-quarter situations. I generally carry a revolver, so none of it really applies to me in terms of concealed carry, although I do generally keep my home defense Glocks in C3.

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Interesting video. I will say that if the woman had ANY degree of self-defense training she could have potentially trapped or at least slowed the guy's "haymaker-like" right-hand motion, which would have given her more time to fire and potentially avoid getting stabbed altogether. You can't rely on a gun-only.
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