Been gone for a bit, since I sold off my 59 and 669s, when I got bit by the .380 bug (I'm old, and very old school). I have my Glock 19 that I have carried for over 23 years since my days as a LEO that I use for serious carry (in metro areas - I live in a rural area).

The 669 was no better than the Glock as a EDC piece, and I wanted something smaller for rural EDC. I went with a CZ83 .380 13+1 loaded with Buffalo Bore +Ps. Nice, but heavy because of the steel frame and big grip.

Well today I was in the local Gun Shop. It so happens my friend who owns the shop just put out some new Shields: 9mm and .40 cal. I started playing with them, as I had never felt the need before to check them out. I like .40s, but already have thousands of round of 9mm, including 9BPLE 115 grain +P+ "Illinois State Police" loads, so I grabbed a 9mm. It is about 12 ounces less loaded than the CZ83.

I was really smitten with the little gun! Light and handy and points well for me.I am an S&W fan, as those were my carry guns in the pre-Glock days of my career. It was love, and at $425 NIB with two mags, I could not say no. It is in 10 day jail now with my name on it..

With the 8 round mag an one up the spout, that is 9 rounds total. As I am long retired from being an LEO, I don't plan on breaking up armed robberies... Just personal defense, so nine of the +P+s pills should be enough!

I was amazed that I could not find any negative information on it on the web. everyone touts it as 100% reliable, which is what you need in an EDC self defense weapon. I had a Kahr CW45 that I liked, but it was the most unreliable pistol I ever owned!

With that said, anybody got any tips for me on pet loads, holsters, cleaning, etc?

Welcome back!! Did you have to get a CA compliant one?

See you on that CALifornia GUNS site!!!

Yep, I did. With all out screwy laws they are passing, I decided to get a few firearms before it gets too weird. I just picked up a pristine Ruger MK II 22LR pistol, also.

I like this little guy so much,I suspect my CZ 380 with join the BERSA FireStorm .380 in the safe.

Congrats. I have a feeling you don't need advice from me on loads, holsters or cleaning.

All I would tell you is to get a mag loader and a pinkie extension for the seven round mags.

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Before it gets too weird?

I hate to tell you this but you guys passed weird and went right to W T F !

Did you see the wording on Prop 63?

No *****! Being retired LEO, I am exempt from the mag ban, but it is really stupid to limit people, especially those who have legally owned them for years! An background checks on ammo sales, and no internet ammo sales? What a load of cr@pola!

Here is the REALLY scary part.....

It was authored by Gavin Newsom. He is a rabid socialist, and has stated in the past that he wants to end ALL private party ownership of firearms. He even commented once that he felt Police should leave their guns at work when they go home....

Congratulations on your new purchase. The more I shoot my Shield the more I like it. It's awesome!


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Congratulations on your new Shield 9. I've owned one for several months and am impressed with it. I did install Talon grips which made it easier for me to grip.

Congratulations!

After doing a little digging, I found the 9BPLE 115 +P+ ammo that performs so well in my Glock 19, is outperformed in the Shield by my Speer Gold Dot 124 grn Gold Dot +P, giving about 1150 fps/345 ft lbs, as opposed to the 1115 fps/325ft lbs from the 9BPLE.

I have about 400 hundred rounds of the +P Gold Dot also, so I will probably use that in the Shield and the 9BPLE in the Glock.

That 124 +P Gold Dot has a good track record. Regarding holsters, take a look at Concealment Express.

Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9MM/.40 IWB KYDEX Holster | Concealment Express

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I got a Shield a couple years ago, and didn't like it at all. I think it must have been me, not the gun! I was excited to try it, but I got stovepipes, FTFs, etc, so my first impression wasn't good. I also couldn't even get the slide to lock back for cleaning because the spring was so stiff.
Sold it.
Should I try it again?

I would. Go to a range that rents guns, and try a 9mm. I have heard that while current 9mm Shields are 100% reliable, early ones, especially 40s, had some issues. I heard the beefed up the slide rails and changed some angles from the first ones.

Can't hurt to rent one and try again. I have not had a sing issue with either my Shield or my 9C. As much as I like my 9C I am favoring my Shield more and more.


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Anyone use the Magguts +2 set up on the 9mm Shield? I ordered one. It makes the 7 round magazine a 9 rounder, and is still slightly shorter than the factory 8 rounder. It also makes the 8 rounder into a 10 rounder, and is less than 1/4" longer than the factory 8. It uses a flat leaf spring like MP38/40 magazines did.

When I get it, I put 50 rounds through it to ensure reliability.

Interesting fact: Smith & Wesson has sold over one million M&P Shields since they introduced them. Dang!

Link?



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There is a reason they sell like hotcakes. One of my buying points was the trigger. For DAO it's very good.

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Last sentence, first paragraph of overview...

Tells me nothing about the Mag guts + 2. ???


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I bought one Shield 9mm Mag Guts "cup and spring" units so I have 9 rds in one my 8 rd mags . I haven't purchased the extension to add another round . So far so good . Curious about the z springs as all the feed back I have seen has been with the older system .

Sorry, I thought you wanted a link on the "over one million sold!"

Smith & Wesson Shield | MagGuts

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yup I have 2 mags with them . No problems with either one, about 500 rounds through each mag so far. (I use them in the 8 rounders, I also have a magguts spring in one of my 7 round mags to add one round to that one too)

I have the pachmyr sleeve on my shield too, I found it has made a huge difference in my accuracy

I seemed to have missed the portion of a retired LEO being exempt from the mag ban. Would you mind clarifying?

Thanks in advance!

Three years ago I was presented a Shield 9mm as a retirement gift from my troops. Have the Pachmyer grip sleeve and carry in a Wild Bill's Concealment fusion paddle holster. Used the fusion when working to carry a Glock 23. (Carried a Model 10 early in my LEO career so partial to S&W)

No problems with mine.

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The new law has a clause that specifies that the 10 round limit does not apply to active law enforcement or retired law enforcement. I am having trouble finding the text, though, Everything has been withdrawn since the FPC lawsuit forced DOJ to withdraw the regs they tried to push through as "emergency rules without public comment.

DOJ has purposely not publicized mush information on the new laws, unlike the first ban where it specified the media campaign they had to follow. Probably only 5% of the public knows what the new laws are, and only 20% EVEN KNOW THERE ARE NEW LAWS.

Thank you for the reply, I'll be also looking on this end.

Cheers, Jim

Sounds like a good plan, especially since the Shield manual explicitly recommends against using +P+ ammo. Limited use of +P is fine. Absolutely love my Shield 9, it has become my EDC.

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Counted, and I actually have 550 rounds of Gold dot 124 +P. 250 rounds are 2015 production, the others are about 8 years old. It was our duty load on the SO for awhile, and IIRC, NYPD has issued it for years for their Glock 19s.

I like that holster VaTom.

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Great Holsters - Made in NC. Wild Bill's Concealment has a website. They make other styles as well as holster belts. Sell on-line and at gun shows. Most comfortable paddle holster I have found. Went through several other brands before coming upon these. Rides high for good concealment under jacket, sweatshirt, sweater vest, etc. and is very easy on and off.

My M&P Shield 9mm is my EDC. I load it with Liberty Civil Defense rounds. Check out their videos at Liberty Ammunition Lead Free Ammo | Liberty Ammunition. Awesome, low recoil round! Plus the Shield handles recoil well as it is, so this combo works really well.

I thought Illinois gun laws were bad

The Kool Aid can be very tasty if not doctored up by a psychopath. Not a good expression for buying a Shield. More like 'jumping on the bandwagon' or "joining the crowd" or "taking the leap".

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Well, I picked up my Shield out of 10 day DROS jail today. Went to a local indoor range, and fired 100 rounds of Speer Gold Dot 124 +P (345 ft lbs ME from a Shield) from all eight magazines, including 4 with Magguts +2 kits (two 7s and two 8s). ZERO malfunctions and was dead on POA/POI at 7 and 10 yards. I was able to keep all rounds in the 10 ring and center head on a B27 silhouette target, firing off hand with a modified Weaver stance, with no difficulty.

The trigger is a little different from my Glock 19, but very manageable, especially if you use the pad of your trigger finger.

I really like the Magguts kits. They are a bit pricey, but the 7 rounder with it on is much shorter than a factory 8 rounder, and holds nine rounds. That gives me 9+1 in the holster. I have the 8 rounders with the kits (now 10 rounders) loaded up, and put one in each car glove box. The othe 7 rounder with the +2 is in my brief case.

Man, I really love this little guy! The bonus is that it is a small and light as my Bersa FireStorm (8+1) .380, and smaller and lighter than my CZ83 (13+1) .380. Easy shooting, and very controllable for a 19 oz. compact 9mm.

LOL! How very true.

Loved my shield. I had to let mine go a few months ago to a railroad buddy of my to help pay for some car repairs. I'm picking up another one next week. Just curious.. Has anyone here heard of any "bugs" or issues in the newly produced 9mm shields? The one I regretfully sold was manufactured early/mid 2014 I think. It ran flawlessly and I had 100% confidence in it. I figure it's still the same ole concealed carry workhorse pistol that I miss so much, but figured I'd ask around and see if there was anything to watch for.

Sounds to me like they're getting set up to prosecute unknowing offenders and blaming the gun owner for not knowing the gun laws.

I am amazed by the conceal-ability of the Shield. In the Bianchi Model 100 IWB Holster I bought, it is as comfortable as my Bersa FireStorm 380 to carry inside my jeans. It is so slim and compact.

Years ago, I had a Kel-Tec P-11 9mm. It was a good little weapon for a duty back-up weapon, but was only capable of minute of trash can lid accuracy. While I carried it on duty as a back up in an ankle holster or jacket pocket, I NEVER carried it as an off duty piece. I just didn't have that much faith in it.Back in those days, I had a Charter Bulldog 3" .44 special for an off-duty weapon.

Lately (prior to getting the Shield), I had been using my Bersa 380 for EDC here up in the rural Nor-Cal foothills, and my Glock or CZ83 when I would go Sacramento, SF Bay area, or So-Cal. Now with the Shield, it will probably be my only EDC weapon.

Granted, my Glock is 15+1, and the Shield with Magguts +2 is 10+1. God help me if 11 rounds of Gold Dot 124 +P is not enough!

As to Glock vs S&W Shield triggers: I eally feel the S&W trigger is far superior to the Glock's.

I have had my Glock 19 for 23 years, and fired tens of thousands of rounds through it. Even though I have a Glock factory 3.5 lb. disconnector from a 17L long slide in it, it is still only capable (at least in my hands) of combat accuracy (minute of Goblin, so to speak).

The Shield, after only 100 rounds, I was easily doing 3-4" groups at 10 yards, off hand, using a Weaver stance, one shot per second, or so. I can't wait to put another 100 rounds or so through it, so I can really see what it is capable of.

Good video on Speer Gold Dot +P (regular and short barrel) in 3' barrels... Absolutely no difference in performance (in a 3" barrel) between the two, with perfect 12" to 18" penetration and expansion. I'm glad my Shield loves the stuff!

I can't say enough good things about this little holster! I recommended it to friends that have recommended it to other friends!!

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Like you I love my Gen 4 Glock 19, 1,200 rounds with no problems. As to my 9mm Shield I had one light primer strike in the first 100 fired but after cleaning the firing pin channel no problems with 800 rounds through her.

Factory Shield mags and mags with Magguts +2s Left to Right:

Factory 7 round magazine
Factory 7 round with Magguts +2 (9 rounds)
Factory 8 round magazine
Factory 8 round with magguts +2 (10 rounds)

Notice the 7 round with the Magguts is less than 1/4" longer than a standard 7 round, and significantly shorter than a factory 8 round!

I too have seen your thread in our local communist forum. I'm a little new here, but I did port my Shield thread over.

CA Compliant Shield Modifications & Magguts +2 Springs

Your comparison photo is much more eye appealing than mine for sure. I'm glad to see other Californians here.

Stay strong my brothers and sisters.

Update: Shot about 200 rounds more mixed FMJ, HP, and Gold dot. Still zero malfunctions. Love this little guy. Was bouncing a can at 15 yards off hand. NICE!

I did have one problem with a 7 rounder with the Magguts follower and spring, though. When I dropped the empty mag, the follower popped out the top of the magazine. It only happened with one 7 rounder (9 rounder), but never with the 8 rounder (10 rounder). For now, my carry 7 rounder will just have the Magguts cup and lock plate, making it an 8 rounder, still shorter than the factory 8. I left my two 8/10 rounders that I keep in the glove compartments of my vehicles with the full +2 set up.

I'll get ahold of magguts and see what they say. For now, the cup still gives me 8+1 with the short mag and factory spring/follower.

I di have 100% confidence after 400 rounds of assorted ammo with zero malfunctions! It is my EVERY day carry weapon now!