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10mm m&p
Not sure if this has been mentioned before in another post but who else wants a 10mm M&P?
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I don't want an M&P in any chambering.
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It would get beat up in 10mm.
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I bought a G20 only because there is no M&P 10mm. Yes I would buy one.
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It would get beat up in 10mm.
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it would be in a .45 frame, so no it wouldn't
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I remain somewhat puzzled by the 10mm, a rimless cartridge (almost) equivalent to a .41 magnum. The cartridge is accurate and powerful enough for hunting, but many of the platforms chambering it suffer from "a 100yd cartridge in a 40 yard gun for accuracy." A revolver in .41 mag is more accurate for hunting.
So if not hunting, what then is the purpose, self defense? The ones I have shot zip right through anything simulating a human, and expend most of their energy on what lies beyond the target. If loaded down, it becomes a .40 S&W in power. So maybe defense from big angry predators is the best use for a 10mm semi auto?
Unfortunately, the most common use I have seen is destroying objects on the range and giggling like Beavis at the power, blast, and destruction, which certainly is a fun use for a range toy.
No, I would not want one in an M&P.
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I'd buy two maybe three, just cause I know it would be a very short production. Just like the 32mag, 327, 310 and 610, 646... And to a lesser extent even the 3rd gen 10mm pistols. Good luck talking S&W into it.
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And Smith & Wesson should bring back the 357 sig M&P too the competition has it Sig P320 and Glock 31 Gen 4 it wound be sweet in a M&P 2.0
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I remain somewhat puzzled by the 10mm, a rimless cartridge (almost) equivalent to a .41 magnum. The cartridge is accurate and powerful enough for hunting, but many of the platforms chambering it suffer from "a 100yd cartridge in a 40 yard gun for accuracy." A revolver in .41 mag is more accurate for hunting.
So if not hunting, what then is the purpose, self defense? The ones I have shot zip right through anything simulating a human, and expend most of their energy on what lies beyond the target. If loaded down, it becomes a .40 S&W in power. So maybe defense from big angry predators is the best use for a 10mm semi auto?
Unfortunately, the most common use I have seen is destroying objects on the range and giggling like Beavis at the power, blast, and destruction, which certainly is a fun use for a range toy.
No, I would not want one in an M&P.
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The 10mm auto just may very well be the ultimate pig hunting gun . The big 10 will drop a big hog dead in it's tracks. And if one charges you you can pump out the rounds with the auto loader.
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I remain somewhat puzzled by the 10mm, a rimless cartridge (almost) equivalent to a .41 magnum. The cartridge is accurate and powerful enough for hunting, but many of the platforms chambering it suffer from "a 100yd cartridge in a 40 yard gun for accuracy." A revolver in .41 mag is more accurate for hunting.
So if not hunting, what then is the purpose, self defense? The ones I have shot zip right through anything simulating a human, and expend most of their energy on what lies beyond the target. If loaded down, it becomes a .40 S&W in power. So maybe defense from big angry predators is the best use for a 10mm semi auto?
Unfortunately, the most common use I have seen is destroying objects on the range and giggling like Beavis at the power, blast, and destruction, which certainly is a fun use for a range toy.
No, I would not want one in an M&P.
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Why does the A-10 have the GAU-8? Because it's awesome and destroys everything. I would like that option in an M&P. Would make an excellent camping gun. Easier to holster and carry an M&P than a 41 mag revolver. I love my 629 but it's too freakin huge/heavy. I have a 1076 FBI but I would hate myself for life if something happened and I lost it on the 4 wheeler.
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Not sure if this has been mentioned before in another post but who else wants a 10mm M&P?
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Only about a thousand times. People have been clamoring for a 10mm since the inception of the M&P. Alas, that group is far too small to make any money for S&W.
Of course I also said they wouldn't make a .45 Shield and they did. So, I may be wrong, but I think the market is too small for a 10mm M&P.
It's difficult to control and therefore, difficult to get back on target. This is one reason the .40S&W was invented.
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I'd buy one. I don't need it, but I would want one if it was manufactured.
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Kinda ran across this pretty late, but I'd love a long slide 10mm M&P, especially if someone made .40 and 9mm conversion barrels.
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...that can kick my butt. The 686 serves well in both target poot loads and artillery and anything in between.
I would be pretty limited with a 10mm, I think. Not as versatile, which is important to me. So I'm going to pass.
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I'd like the option of having a second barrel in .357 SIG, just a hopped up 9mm+P. Don
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The 10mm seems to be a niche caliber with a small cult following, dating back to Sunny Crockett in Miami Vice. Didn't see the need for 10mm then and don't see a need now.
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Kinda ran across this pretty late, but I'd love a long slide 10mm M&P, especially if someone made .40 and 9mm conversion barrels.
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Why not? More m.e. than 9, 40 and 45 Super; and more magazine capacity than low pressure legacy cartridge, too. This is the perfect round for when I don't want to feel under-muzzleenergized and/or under-capacitized. I call the 10mm the 40 Strong, and I like the way I feel when I carry it in the real world. Maximum m.e. to cartridge size ratio, in classic sidearms, Yes!
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I’d strongly consider it. I like the M&P platform and am intrigued by the 10mm.
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S&W had problems with the .357SIG M&P, and they eventually stopped offering that model.
I wonder whether they'd have similar problems with a 10mm M&P without major upgrades or a redesign?
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I think the .357Sig was discontinued due to low sales not problems. At least I've never heard of problems unique to that caliber.
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I think 10mm is more popular than .357 Sig.
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Why do you think that? Both are uncommon calibers. 10mm has been around longer, but neither has really become popular like others. In fact, .40S&W is an off shoot of the 10mm and is 100x more popular than 10mm.
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I don't particularly want one myself but have witnessed a recent and significant growth in popularity in the 10MM. ( We used to get two 10mm firearms requests a year. Lately it's more like two a week.) Several mainstream manufactures have responded with both pistols and rifles in this caliber. Why not Smith and Wesson? If not in a M&P, maybe a 1911.
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The official sidearm of the Texas Highway Patrol is the 357Sig caliber in a Sig pistol.
Their tests proved that this caliber penetrates windshields, side glass and rear window. Also does a number on the engine.
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Why do you think that? Both are uncommon calibers. 10mm has been around longer, but neither has really become popular like others. In fact, .40S&W is an off shoot of the 10mm and is 100x more popular than 10mm.
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Does this generation have any equivalent to my generations Sonny Crocket who carries a 357sig and goes after drug dealers? If not, then we (10mm folks) win that one
And OH YEA, I would definitely buy a 10mm M&P. I hate the way S&W has no answer for the G20. Glock has the 43, we have the shield, G19.... 2.0 Compact, G34.... M&P 5". Everything Glock does, Smith can match 'em except 10mm
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The 10mm was created......
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I remain somewhat puzzled by the 10mm, a rimless cartridge (almost) equivalent to a .41 magnum. The cartridge is accurate and powerful enough for hunting, but many of the platforms chambering it suffer from "a 100yd cartridge in a 40 yard gun for accuracy." A revolver in .41 mag is more accurate for hunting.
So if not hunting, what then is the purpose, self defense? The ones I have shot zip right through anything simulating a human, and expend most of their energy on what lies beyond the target. If loaded down, it becomes a .40 S&W in power. So maybe defense from big angry predators is the best use for a 10mm semi auto?
Unfortunately, the most common use I have seen is destroying objects on the range and giggling like Beavis at the power, blast, and destruction, which certainly is a fun use for a range toy.
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....as a Police/Agent gun as a result of the 'caliber wars' to equip officers with a gun powerful enough to be a real 'stopper'. The problem was that the average officer couldn't handle it well. SO, they shortened the 10mm S&W and gave it a lighter charge, which turned out to be the popular .40 cal, though not without problems. Often they were built on 9mm frames that can't take the beating. It sure would be nice if they would strengthen the frame of the .40s since they know that is a problem.
10mm advocates call the 10mm S&W the 10mm 'Short and Weak'
I know how attractive having a single, one size fits all weapon on a police force, agency or in an army. In the case of the police force I don't know why in the world they can't have options of 2 or 3 calibers. The people that could handle big stuff could use a 10mm and the people blown away by the 10mm could use a 9mm or .40 cal.
As far as SD goes, the 10mm is great if you can handle the recoil and get fast follow up shots. SOME people like a really powerful gun for SD, but I don't think it's the norm. I wonder if a lot of people have 10mm just like I have a .357. I don't carry it around, but I like to shoot it. In other words, I wonder how often it is used as an SD gun?
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I e-mail S&W every so often to inquire about an M&P in 10mm and I receive the same canned response.
I did read over on M4Carbine.net that supposedly a 10MM M&P is coming at some point.
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Does this generation have any equivalent to my generations Sonny Crocket who carries a 357sig and goes after drug dealers? If not, then we (10mm folks) win that one
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I don't understand this comment. Sonny Crocket carried a Bren 10 for a little bit, but mostly a S&W 645 and 4506 in .45ACP.
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The 10mm seems to be a niche caliber with a small cult following, dating back to Sunny Crockett in Miami Vice. Didn't see the need for 10mm then and don't see a need now.
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It’s a pretty big niche, then!
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I think the .357Sig was discontinued due to low sales not problems. At least I've never heard of problems unique to that caliber.
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Do a search on this area of the forum using "NCHP SIG Problems" and you'll find a number of discussions and an extended series of messages about the NCHP situation. (My son is a NCHP Trooper, so I heard about it first hand.
The search results includes messages that recount conversations with S&W Customer Service who suggested NOT using .357 Conversion barrels in the 40 version of the M&P.
That said, I have NOT heard of others (civilians) complaining about problems.
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I’d buy a 10mm M&P, and at least 10 mags. I’d love to sell my last Glock, but sometimes carrying 15+1 of 10mm in grizzly country is comforting. And my 1911 in 10mm makes my back ache after a half dozen miles or so.
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I’d buy one to replace my Glock 20. I prefer M&P’s.
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I would buy one but, I don't think it will come to pass. I think S&W has learned a lesson from the poor acceptance of the .357 Sig. I doubt they will even put out a limited number to test the market.
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M&P 40/357 SIG
I have a .357 Sig barrel for my S&W Best of both worlds, maybe they will produce a barrel for the .10 doubt if the mag will handle .10mm though
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S&W had problems with the .357SIG M&P, and they eventually stopped offering that model.
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I have two .357c M&P's and have no problems of any sort with them. One I gave to my Dad so it doesn't get shot much although I shot it a bit before I let it go. The other is mine and I shoot it regularly without an issue of any kind. Very easy to shoot well and never any failures...not one.
Of course I don't know much outside of my own experience but I think it was lack of sales and ammo cost that was it's demise. I load my own so cost is the same as other calibers for me.
I would predict the same for a 10mm M&P. Small group of buyers wouldn't satisfy the sales goals of the stockholders. I wouldn't be interested in a 10mm myself.
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Do a search on this area of the forum using "NCHP SIG Problems" and you'll find a number of discussions and an extended series of messages about the NCHP situation. (My son is a NCHP Trooper, so I heard about it first hand.
The search results includes messages that recount conversations with S&W Customer Service who suggested NOT using .357 Conversion barrels in the 40 version of the M&P.
That said, I have NOT heard of others (civilians) complaining about problems.
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Interesting. I don't remember that discussion, but I'm not a .357Sig fan so, I probably didn't follow it. I do find it unique that S&W said not to use a .357Sig barrel in a .40S&W gun because they are the exact same frame and slide and use the same mags.
I have heard of several police departments having trouble with M&Ps though. Caliber doesn't seem to be an issue so much as manufacture lot.
But we digress. This is about 10mm.
I think another issue with building a 10mm is the slide. Because the barrel requires a stronger and longer chamber, it may require a complete redesign of the slide as well. The block around the chamber is how the gun locks up. If this needs to be longer, it will require a slide redesign.
I'll bet that due to the 10mm's limited popularity, S&W doesn't want to go through the expense to design a new slide.
Then there's the question of durability. Will the standard frame hold up to the 10mm's violent nature?
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I don't understand this comment. Sonny Crocket carried a Bren 10 for a little bit, but mostly a S&W 645 and 4506 in .45ACP.
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He might have only carried it for a little bit (one season, I think) but that is more (afaik) than any tv action hero has carried the 357 sig so...... we're cooler
On a serious note, tho - I don't like reloading bottle neck cartridges. So, it would be 10mm for me. That's really it.
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Thanks for that. I knew I was missing something. Now I just feel dumb.
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Would I WANT an M&P in 10mm? Sure! But I already HAVE a polymer Tanfoglio Witness in 10mm, so the M&P would need to be better than that, meaning more than a 14 round capacity, better durability and after sale support, and a cost of less than $450. I really don't see all of those things coming together based on the available market.
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Only if it's a 5" barrel. A 6" barrel option would be nice too.
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Only if it's a 5" barrel. A 6" barrel option would be nice too.
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Agree , 5 inch slide and would not mind it being single stack to keep the grip size down.
Imagine if you will the 5 inch .40 stretched just enough to make it a 10mm without making the grip in larger in diameter.
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06-07-2018, 09:36 AM
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Just as additional information on the 10 mm, I was issued a 1006 and we used them for 16 years before retiring them. The major user problem was reach to the trigger, which was about that of an N frame. Ours stood up beautifully over years to a steady diet of full power 10 mm, including 5 years of a custom load that pushed the pressure limits.
Now then, we retired them BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET AMMO! Granted, we wanted more than one or two of you fanboys would, but we couldn't even get bids on a multi year contract for X00,000 rounds per year. Now, if we couldn't interest an ammo maker (pre-shortages) in a guaranteed contract, exactly why do think S&W would be willing to engineer, tool up and produce a 10 mm pistol on spec? The market won't support it, and S&W would lose a train load of money.
You'd do much better petitioning someone like Lew Horton who's created special runs of handguns. On the other hand, in most cases, those are slightly changed versions of current production pistols, so that might not work either.
Oh, the replacement M&P40s ran like clocks are supposed to.
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06-07-2018, 10:47 AM
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Not sure if this has been mentioned before in another post but who else wants a 10mm M&P?
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You can have one today if you want.
Get a 40 cal M&P with a 5 inch barrel.......shoot Double Tap, Cor Bon or Buffalo Bore P+ ammo.........you'll have 10mm ballistics right there.
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I am carrying my Glock 29 with Liberty 10mm 60gr. Recoil isn’t too bad and penetration is less than other 10mm bullets. Provided ballistics must not be from a 4” barrel but it still hits hard
With the Glock Models 20,29 & 40, S&W would have a huge challenge gaining significant market share. And the firearms market is not strong at the present time. Just Say No S&W.
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06-08-2018, 05:33 AM
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Im a big 10mm fan and it would be great if we could get an M&P 10mm,with 5"barrel.I'll take mine in FDE.
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06-13-2018, 08:43 AM
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Yes i would buy a 10mm M&P 2.0, If the Glock 20/29/40 can handle the 10mm I think the M&P 2.0 would do just fine.
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