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Old 01-19-2017, 12:39 AM
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Long time lurker here, rare poster, but I have a problem I would love to hear some opinions on.

It's regarding ear protection and finding something that fits.

I had a pair of Howard Leight Impact Sport's model, but I have a long, narrow face and they did not close at the base on the side of my head sufficiently to seal sound out. I sold them to a friend.

Meanwhile, I've been using an old pair that I bought to muffle sound while I mow my lawn or use power tools. They do a middling job of noise suppression, but not enough, and they're very bulky.

I talked briefly to a gun store employee today who recommended some kind of in-ear device; not sure of the brand, but he said he used them overseas and short of wearing them in the proximity of AR's, they worked well for most other handgun fire exposure. My problem with in-ear devices is, I have a very narrow ear canal opening which effectively prevents proper seating of most of these types.

Can anyone recommend a good pair of over-the-ear hearing protectors that would fit a facial profile that I've described? Money is no object, really; I'll pay nearly anything that provides the level of noise suppression I need. Notice I said nearly.
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Do you belong to a club where you could borrow different kinds? Or a public range? I think a lot have packaging that will allow you to try in he store. Honestly, I have no idea if I have a narrow face or not, but Peltor electronic muffs fit me well and are my brand of choice.

You can try the Radians custom molded in-ear models. I think I paid less than $15 for those and had surprisingly good results, so I bought a second set. I mostly use them for mowing the yard, I prefer over the ear when shooting outdoors, and both at indoor ranges.
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Peltor H10A. Best I've ever used. If you like the slim line ear pro, just use inner hearing protection as well. Peltor also makes an electronic version that works about the same, but they aren't $20.

If you really want quiet, and you have issues with them sealing properly, just try what you have with the little disposable foam inserts. Then get custom molded ones if you like them.

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I use Howard Leight L3s that seem to be great for someone with a narrow head. They fit tight, are cushy and have a 30 db rating.

Oh, sometimes I add ear plugs as additional protection, especially indoors.
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I use a set I got at a gunshow.

You sit in a chair, the merchant fills your ear cannal and outer ear with a viscous material. In about 15 minutes it cures to a sylicon like material.

Since it's customized to your individual ear can cannals, they work regardless of your dimentions.

Cost about $25.00 if I remember correctly.
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First off, begin with expanding foam or silicone in-the-ear plugs. There are many different styles, and they are cheap, so try a few until you find a favorite. With any hearing protection product, take note of the rating ( usually expressed as "NRR" which is Noise Reduction Rating) - this tells you how much noise, expressed in decibels, is reduced when [I]properly using[I] the product. You will see that there are plugs available cheaply that generally out-perform even expensive muffs. (Although many muffs use electronics to cut out sudden large noises while still allowing normal or even amplified "normal" level noise such as conversation, which can be a real benefit at the range). I emphasize that any and all devices must be used properly - the biggest mistake I see is people just jamming plugs in without following the proper procedure to make sure they get in the proper place and expand correctly. Another caution with muffs is that anything interfering with a perfect seal against your head (hair, string, the bows of safety glasses, etc)causes sound "leakage" and lowers the noise reduction effectiveness - sometimes significantly.

Often times, the best solution is a combination of devices, such as using both muffs and plugs...the plugs will help with any leakage past the muffs, and the effectiveness is cumulative. Of course the only way to insure protection is to use it each and every time you shoot or are close to shooting, then take the next step and wear it for those other noisy endeavors (mowing, chainsaws, etc)at home and/or work. The common usage of muzzle brakes and compensators on firearms has increased the sound hazard dramatically - much sound that was previously directed downrange now gets pushed out sideways and backwards, often with truly earsplitting effect.

Take it from those in the know...it IS WORTH doing what you can to protect and save your original-equipment hearing. Without even considering all the hassles, you can easily drop $8,000.00 on state of the art hearing aids, and if you're lucky it will sound like you are holding a miniature1960's era transistor radio to your ear.
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I am using the Howard Leight Pro, which fit me a little bit better than the sport, but I doubt I have a narrow head...so not sure if I'm any help.

I tried a few of the in the ear and I couldn't wear them for more than about 15 minutes before it was too uncomfortable for me.

I'm with you, I saw some Peltor for around $200 and I would get them in a heartbeat if I knew they would be comfortable, and do the job.

I may just shop for a return policy that works, and get some that I can return after trying for an hour or so...If they don't suit my needs.
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I use these for cowboy shooting, you mold them to your ears and they stay in beautifully.
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as one who wears prescription glasses plus safety ones over, I've had trouble at times with the over the ear muffs sealing good. Not bad if i'm the only one at the range (indoor) but gets a bit loud when the range is full of activity. Then a pair of cheap foam in-ear plugs go in as well. That seems to do the trick.

I will say i have to research more into a nice set of in-ear protection if i can get something that really blocks the damaging sounds.... would be more comfortable than said muffs over 2 pairs of glasses
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OP, My head is shaped similar to yours. The Howard Leight Impact Sport didn't fit me well at all, would slide around constantly needing adjusting and didn't seal well. They are very good budget muffs but just don't work well from some folks. My wife and son love them but there head is wider than mine. I bought the Peltor Sport Tactical 100 and they fit me great. Sound quality is not the best but not bad for the money and I have no issues with them at all. Noise reduction is very good even with 44Mag however I only shoot at my own outdoor range. Not sure how well they would work at an indoor range.
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I paid around 10.00 for champion at Wally world. Works fine for me, and they are collapsible.

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I use a set of custom molded inner ear,(foam would work also),and then put a set of Howard Leight's over them. This works well.

Sometimes, I'll have music playing through my ear buds under the Howard Leight's, either way seems to work well, as I'm deaf anyway!

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If he's talking about the peltor electronic in the ear hearing aid looking things, those suck. I tried them and hated them.

I get a MUCH better fit and seal with peltor tac 100 ear muffs. I believe the peltor range guards are the same and both run around $50.
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I use these, have the case affixed to my wall near the gun safe:

3M OCS1137 Classic Earplugs in Pillow Pak (Case of 200)



THey crush and fit into your ear. After a few times I throw them away and grab another pair.

I have a pair of these too: Peltor Hearing Protection - Combat Arms Earplugs




But I prefer the cheap throw away plugs. More comfortable (for me) then wearing ear muffs.

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Having a very loud life, I was in an audiologist' office ( she worked with my E.N.T.) trying to get a waiver for my Merchant Marine license. We got to talking and she said, no prob. She used the custom mold for hearing aids to make custom ear plugs for me. Less than $80 and easy to clean and comfortable.
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Try a SensGard SG-31 headband. I bought one even though I was skeptical but I love them. Much more comfortable than ear muffs and only $20. I paid over $100 for a pair of Howard Leight and I like the SensGard better. At only $20 it's may be worth a try for you to.



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Try a SensGard SG-31 headband. I bought one even though I was skeptical but I love them. Much more comfortable than ear muffs and only $20. I paid over $100 for a pair of Howard Leight and I like the SensGard better. At only $20 it's may be worth a try for you to.

SensGard*® SG-31 Lightweight Hearing Protection Band NRR 31dB (Black) - Ear Protection Equipment - Amazon.com
That 31 decibel NRR is hard to beat without teaming up layers of protection. (IF they fit you properly!!!)
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I wear custom molded silicone ear plugs for both shooting and motorcycling. I got them done at a gun show for about $50 a pair. They are more comfortable and far easier to insert correctly than the foam plugs.

For shooting I double up with a pair of Peltor Ultimate 10 ear muffs. My face is a different shape so I cannot comment on fit for you.

Have you considered suppressors?
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On one of my sets,I put in slightly longer screws where the muff attaches to to the band,with some washers added,to give it more downward reach on my big head.
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I use a set I got at a gunshow.

You sit in a chair, the merchant fills your ear cannal and outer ear with a viscous material. In about 15 minutes it cures to a sylicon like material.

Since it's customized to your individual ear can cannals, they work regardless of your dimentions.

Cost about $25.00 if I remember correctly.
Not sure of the cost but a lot of people I shoot PPC with use them and they seem to like them.
I personally use Walker electronic muffs.
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I started using mold-able/custom in the ear plugs for shotgunning 20 years ago and grew to love them. They were expensive then but today you can get the Radian Brand DIY kits off Ebay for $12 set ( with the same custom fit results as hotshot9 mentions above). Super comfortable, very effective and they stay in place. If I'm shooting indoors/big stuff, I'll put on a set of external muffs over them.
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I use these for cowboy shooting, you mold them to your ears and they stay in beautifully.


Ordered a set from ebay, currently using HL sport electronic earmuffs but don't like them too much I feel like I need a second earmuffs so plan to use this under the HL.


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I use these, have the case affixed to my wall near the gun safe:

3M OCS1137 Classic Earplugs in Pillow Pak (Case of 200)
3M OCS1137 Classic Earplugs in Pillow Pak (Case of 200) - Hearing Protection - Amazon.com

THey crush and fit into your ear. After a few times I throw them away and grab another pair.

I have a pair of these too: Peltor Hearing Protection - Combat Arms Earplugs

Amazon.com: Peltor Hearing Protection - Combat Arms Earplugs: Home Improvement

But I prefer the cheap throw away plugs. More comfortable (for me) then wearing ear muffs.
Good thing they're close by for the next time you set off a .357 in your closet.
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OP, My head is shaped similar to yours. The Howard Leight Impact Sport didn't fit me well at all, would slide around constantly needing adjusting and didn't seal well. They are very good budget muffs but just don't work well from some folks. My wife and son love them but there head is wider than mine. I bought the Peltor Sport Tactical 100 and they fit me great. Sound quality is not the best but not bad for the money and I have no issues with them at all. Noise reduction is very good even with 44Mag however I only shoot at my own outdoor range. Not sure how well they would work at an indoor range.
I use the Peltor Sport Tactical 100 at an indoor range and they word well.
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I use Peltor Tactical Sports and always double up with foam plugs when I'm shooting indoors. Whatever you decide on, if gel ear seals are available, get them. They seal around eye pro much better than foam.
Take a look at this. It sheds some light on the NRR rating. It isn't always what it seems to be.

https://trevoronthetrigger.wordpress...rr18db-rating/

And here are a couple of links I found useful when researching electronic ear pro.

http://ingunowners.com/forums/ingo-r...ny-budget.html

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I ordered the MSA Sordin Supreme Pro X




They fit really well with the Gel cups and are very comfortable. They take a little getting used to from the Howard Leights. The MSA quiet noises that are loud by reducing them, where the Howard Leights cut out the sound altogether. The good part is you don't lose the entire conversation, when there is a gun shot nearby, because the don't shut down. It feels (at least for me) like they aren't working as well, because you still here the gun shot and it will be louder than with the Howard Leights, but not loud enough to hurt or ring your ears. I wasn't sure, but I noticed after I got home from the range, I wasn't nearly as fatigued from the sound as I usually am.

These are very expensive, and I used Amazon because they're return is so easy if I don't like them...but I think they might be worth the price (for me), and I will probably end up keeping them.
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What "Steve13" said. The MSA's have worked well for me whether beneath a ballistic helmet (neckband model) or merely over a ballcap. You may wish to consider the silicone filled ear seal set. This may help with a better fit/seal.

Many emergency response teams use the MSA Sordin Supreme Pro-X. In law enforcement we call this a "clue".

As an aside, I have read some LE periodicals that recommend the use of both ear plugs and muff-type protectors, especially when using a short-barreled rifle.

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For indoor pistol and Rifle both I use Surefire EP5's. When I'm outside with the shotgun shooting clays I use Surefire EP3's with the flap open. Both are more than good enough for each task. They are comfortable and they stay put once in. One of my AR's has a Surefire muzzle brake (and it's loud as hell) and the EP5's are still good. I do occasionally put muffs on with the EP5's if the indoor range is really busy. My local Menards sells them for like $14. They also come in 3 different sizes. The critical part of any ear protection is proper insertion. Watch a video to see what I'm talking about but you need to reach over your head and pull your ear up and away from your skull while inserting. That is the best way to get a good seat in your ear canal.
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I use the Peltor Sport Tactical 100 at an indoor range and they work well.
I just got the Peltor Sport Tactical 100 and not sure I will continue to use them. On order is Howard Leight Pros, which have a 30 rating.
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Ditto the expandable foam ear plugs. They are cheap, effective and a true cutsom fit (when properly inserted). Cleaning is simple - toss them when they get gunked up.

You can add an additional 5 dB by using muffs over plugs but remember any hair, glasses bows or the like will decrease the effectiveness of the seal on the muffs.
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