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Old 03-12-2017, 12:07 AM
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I have a used m&p from 2011 I had over a year and I just dont like accuracy in gun. I have took gun to 3 gun Smith's and been told my barrel is shot out out and I need a new one so where do I get a new barrel that better then stock
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Old 03-12-2017, 12:22 AM
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Why not send it back to S&W for warranty service?
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Old 03-12-2017, 12:28 AM
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Its a used gun I have tried on multiple times to get S&W to help me with gun but will not because I got the gun second hand this Is why I have took it to ever gun Smith I could find the all told me barrel is shot out so I must get a new barrel I just want to now where to get good barrels. As one must upgrade m&p any how to make it any good I wanted to get a better them stock barrels
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Old 03-12-2017, 12:42 AM
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Try Wilson Combat for a new barrel. I wasn't happy with my CORE's accuracy. I swapped an APEX trigger. Helped a little. Tried a Storm Lake barrel, still not good enough. Bought the Wilson, will try it out in a month or two.
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Old 03-12-2017, 01:35 AM
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How accurate do you expect the gun to be, and how much are you willing to pay to get it there?
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Am geting 8inch groups at 10 yards I was think half of that would be more ideal like I said ii have had gun Smith's look at and shoot it and I been told barrel shot out. One smith put in a gun vice and tried like 10 different kind of ammo at 25 yards and was getting 12 to 15inch groups so I now its not me
And as am still new to hand guns the accuracy people told me to except kind of horrifies me this 5inch groups at ten yards just seems crazy for a defense gun

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Am geting 8inch groups at 10 yards I was think half of that would be more ideal like I said ii have had gun Smith's look at and shoot it and I been told barrel shot out. One smith put in a gun vice and tried like 10 different kind of ammo at 25 yards and was getting 12 to 15inch groups so I now its not me
Get an Apex gunsmith fit barrel and have one of your smiths install it. M&P Barrels (your next upgrade should be an Apex trigger kit)
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Old 03-12-2017, 02:27 AM
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The trigger i dont have a problem with
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Old 03-12-2017, 05:51 AM
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Those who have upgraded their factory M&P barrels to a more accurate barrel or a threaded barrel may be willing to sell you their OEM barrel. You should set the condition that it only has a few hundred rounds through it. Almost all OEM barrels (95+%) should shoot 4" groups easily with good ammo. That cost would probably be $100-125. You could post on the For Sale/Buy portion of this or other boards for a person willing to sell their factory barrel. You might want to ask for a 15-day inspection guarantee in case the seller is trying to unload a bad barrel, you could return it.

Buying any new aftermarket drop-in barrel up to about $225 from gun parts suppliers will get you the same or slightly better accuracy than a good OEM barrel. For some extra $$ you could buy an extended (threaded) barrel which could also improve accuracy. You could mount a suppessor on such a barrel.

Buying an Apex gunsmith fit barrel will cost you more like $300+ with the custom installation by your own local 'smith. You can expect to cut your average OEM barrel group size or drop-in aftermarket barrel (rested) in half.

This is how this last barrel can shoot, rested @ 10 yards when it is properly fitted. BTW, Apex charged almost double to do the fitting compared to a local g'smith, but their results are evident.

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Old 03-12-2017, 07:48 AM
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Another option might be trade it towards a Canik. Great trigger and great accuracy and can be found brand new for around $350.
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Old 03-12-2017, 08:01 AM
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Get an Apex gunsmith fit barrel and have one of your smiths install it. M&P Barrels (your next upgrade should be an Apex trigger kit)
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Old 03-12-2017, 12:01 PM
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So I got a hold of the guy who sold me the gun he got in 2011 and said he tried to shoot and hand nothing but trouble with it and accuracy issues up the butt he put 5k to 8k worth of rounds thru it think it was him who had the problem but after 2 yrs he just locked gun up because it junk no wonder why I got it it for 150
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Old 03-12-2017, 12:02 PM
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CB3......THAT'S a group..!!!
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Old 03-12-2017, 01:45 PM
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Apex has done the research into making these guns accurate, I'd recommend one of their barrels.
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Old 03-12-2017, 01:51 PM
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How about Wilson barrels
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Old 03-12-2017, 07:57 PM
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Call customer service back and explain the accuracy issue...don't tell them you bought it second hand unless they ask you. There has been members who have bought second hand pistols and S&W warrantied them. If still no luck with them, here's a 9mm factory replacement barrel.

If you're going to order that barrel...don't wait very long or they'll be out of stock...they go very quickly!
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Old 03-12-2017, 08:30 PM
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A shot out barrel isn't a warranty issue. And the $150 price for the gun was too good to be true, so...

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Old 03-12-2017, 08:38 PM
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Be aware that Apex has temporarily stopped taking new work if you want to have them fit the barrel.
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Old 03-12-2017, 08:53 PM
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New Barrel from Ebay...S&W M&P 9mm FULL SIZE Factory Replacement Barrel 4.25 4.25" M&P9 9 Fullsize NEW | eBay
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Old 03-12-2017, 09:55 PM
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I think all sale my gun and move on to something else I really want to like M&P line but not if there customer service is ****ty and there guns are all this inaccurate. I guess all keep searching for a carry gun suck I had permit 3 yrs and not been able to carry yet
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Old 03-12-2017, 10:12 PM
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I think all sale my gun and move on to something else I really want to like M&P line but not if there customer service is ****ty and there guns are all this inaccurate. I guess all keep searching for a carry gun suck I had permit 3 yrs and not been able to carry yet
So, let me clarify for you:

You bought a well used gun that was about four years old without checking out its condition and paid a cheap price that indicated something was wrong.

You were unhappy with the lack of accuracy with the gun so you paid three different gunsmiths to tell you the barrel was shot out and needed to be replaced, but you didn't replace it.

You contacted S&W Customer Service and told them you had a well used gun (or they figured it out from the serial number and your description of the accuracy problem) and you were not entitled to warranty service.

You came here complaining and received great advice and even links from members of this board on how to correct your problem for about $100.

And now you say you are unhappy with S&W accuracy and customer service, and you are sad you spent a year unable to carry this inaccurate gun, when in reality you've known all along what you bought and what you needed to do to fix it? Now you are going to try to sell it with a shot out barrel?

You, sir, have more problems than your gun.

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Old 03-12-2017, 10:20 PM
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You, sir, have more problems than your gun.
Not obvious to the OP, it seems. But obvious to many the OP has missed that train.....

And the chickens have come home to roost.........
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Old 03-13-2017, 01:26 AM
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I believe he may be speaking his posts instead of typing without inserting punctuation or editing them before posting. Lazy.
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If you are in my state I will stop by and give you the 150 for it and buy you lunch gladly. Ain't hard to get a new barrel fitted and new springs for it and still be well under the costs for a new M&P.
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Old 03-13-2017, 07:54 AM
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If you are in my state I will stop by and give you the 150 for it and buy you lunch gladly. Ain't hard to get a new barrel fitted and new springs for it and still be well under the costs for a new M&P.
Agreed. Even though my wife said no more guns for a while, even she couldn't argue with that price and a new barrel to start. It'll still be less than new...
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A shot out barrel isn't a warranty issue. And the $150 price for the gun was too good to be true, so...
True! I totally spaced off the fact the barrel was shot out and not a factory defect!
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I think all sale my gun and move on to something else I really want to like M&P line but not if there customer service is ****ty and there guns are all this inaccurate. I guess all keep searching for a carry gun suck I had permit 3 yrs and not been able to carry yet
I won't comment on your "customer service is ****ty" comment because I know you typed it in frustration. But, as icemn pointed out...a shot out barrel isn't a warranty issue, it's normal wear and tear from what sounds like many many many thousands of rounds shot through it. Guns do wear out.

I'd buy the barrel for $73.99 I posted a link to, you'd still only have about $225 into your M&P!
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:47 AM
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Bring it to a gun smith and get it done up right. You'll still end up with a great gun at a great price!
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:39 PM
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All gun smiths say they can't do any thing and I keep finding info on how bad m&p accuracy is so I think I better off saleing it and moving on to a different brand of gun
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Good plan. Different forum too.
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Old 03-14-2017, 07:57 AM
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I bought a secondhand 2014 model and thought the same thing. I could not repeatedly hit a standard qualification target at 25 yards. I started researching it, and learned 9mm barrels are releasing too early and some earlier models had too slow a twist rate to stabilize most bullets. Smith changed their twist rate since.

However, I bought a semi-drop in Apex barrel and from a rest, drill the center out of targets at 35 yards. Randy Lee at Apex figured out the timing and twist rate issues.

I am not mechanically inclined, I just watched the install videos on how to do it. Very easy and I cannot say enough what the semi-drop in does to the accuracy factor. $189.00 for the barrel and $15.00 dollars for the dye chem and file at Home Depot. Highly recommend it. Swapped a 1911 for my M&P 9mm full size for SWAT and investigations, as it became THAT accurate. I had put a FSS trigger in it before the barrel swap.
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That's pretty bad eight inches at ten yards. Man someone shot the you know what outta that gun. I'd say go to Smith and buy a replacement barrel for the gun it won't be as pricey as some of the others and will work fine. Unless you want a better barrel but putting a match grade barrel in a shield is well up to you but certainly not something I would do.. good luck with getting it fixed...
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At $150, I can't say you still got a bad deal, unless it was hot or had been run over by a tank. I don't know how many rounds an M&P 9mm barrel is good for, but the late Todd Greene had tested one on his website and ran over 50k rounds thru it before it got retired to a cracked frame or something. I've got a 9FS with the supposedly "good" barrel accuracy wise, and am not all that impressed. Most of my shooting for tight groups has been in an indoor range, however,, and for some reason I don't shoot as good indoors. Outdoors, I have gotten probably 12-inch groups out to 50 yards. Hard to say if it's me, the ammo, or the gun, but the "me" is probably a contributing factor.

For 150 bucks, you've got a pistol that is a good start for a custom/enhancement project for competition. Like everyone else, I'd suggest a gunsmith-fitted barrel for the most gains in accuracy as long as everything else is more or less functioning properly.
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I very much doubt that a barrel with only 5-8K rounds through it is shot out. There has been some discussion on other forums of the well known poor accuracy with the 9mm M&Ps, and as I recall, it had something to do with poor barrel fit in some manner. I'm not in a position to search for the strings now, but it was probably on pistol-forum, and I am almost certain the link I followed to it was on LF.

One of the options provided above is a fitted Apex barrel, and that might be a good place to start. I believe that they have a complete shop and pretty broad options, so you might find it worthwhile to research it and work from there.
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For $100, you can buy a brand new factory drop-in barrel with the new twist rate.

S&W M&P 9mm Full Size Barrel at G and R Tactical
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I dont think its the barrel or me I think m&p just have ****y accuracy I decided to buy 2 different used m&p for 300 each one made in 2010 one mad in 2013 and the both have same problem my 2011 one has you can hit **** with them there accuracy is just horrible guy at range to day told me I was doing good at 10 yards and that kind of accuracy to except am sorry but 5inch groups at 10 yards is bad and at 25 yards I was getting 8 to 10 am still new to hand guns but if this normal for hand guns I think all not be using hand guns at all and ccw
As a long time rifle shooter I should be getting way better groups like 2 inch Max's at 25 yards
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You might get 2" groups at 25 yards out of a well fitted 1911. Real well fitted ones will do that or better at 50 yards. A $500+\- service pistol is considered pretty good with 4" groups at 25 yards. Most won't do that well. 8" groups at 10 yards pretty much sucks. Not acceptable by any means.
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Old 03-19-2017, 03:40 PM
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I dont think its the barrel or me I think m&p just have ****y accuracy I decided to buy 2 different used m&p for 300 each one made in 2010 one mad in 2013 and the both have same problem my 2011 one has you can hit **** with them there accuracy is just horrible guy at range to day told me I was doing good at 10 yards and that kind of accuracy to except am sorry but 5inch groups at 10 yards is bad and at 25 yards I was getting 8 to 10 am still new to hand guns but if this normal for hand guns I think all not be using hand guns at all and ccw
As a long time rifle shooter I should be getting way better groups like 2 inch Max's at 25 yards
Three M&P's built at different times over a three year time frame all shooting the same poor groups at both 10 and 25 yards. Why do I get the feeling that that it's not the guns?

FWIW, just because someone can shoot tiny groups with a rifle does not mean that they aren't a mediocre or worse shot with a pistol.
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I'm thinking my full size MP 9 is a heckuva lot more accurate than i will be. I wont complain about it; at 10 yds (pic from yesterday) most hits are in a decent grouping. The couple a bit low are all on me and I have no trouble admitting it. I sure dont have many years of experience but if running a stock trigger and blazer 115 ammo and standing (never have used a rest) i see nothing wrong with my MP. Can some guns be off, just like some operators? I'm sure. But i would venture a guess that many MP's are nice and solid.

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The flaws with many of the early 9mm M&Ps are well documented. While it can be the shooter or the ammo, the odds are that there is a real problem with the fitting of the barrel.
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I have a new M&P. Shot the center out of a bullseye target at 50 feet, and I ain't that good of a shot. To the OP, sell your M&P, you will never be happy with it. If you sell it to me for 150, I'll make it shoot. And post pictures of the groups too.
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The flaws with many of the early 9mm M&Ps are well documented. While it can be the shooter or the ammo, the odds are that there is a real problem with the fitting of the barrel.
Quite true, but they were isolated instances, not the full production. My 2008 model shoots 2" groups off the bench at 25 yards with its preferred ammo and 5" groups with junk.

If the OP got three pistols that shot as poorly as he claims, he should never waste his money on lottery tickets.
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My offer still stands! :-)
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Its a used gun I have tried on multiple times to get S&W to help me with gun but will not because I got the gun second hand this Is why I have took it to ever gun Smith I could find the all told me barrel is shot out so I must get a new barrel I just want to now where to get good barrels. As one must upgrade m&p any how to make it any good I wanted to get a better them stock barrels
That's very interesting. I bought an M&P that was originally a police trade-in that changed hands 2-3 more times before it came to me and S&W had no issues honoring the warranty. I didn't even call them, all I did was register it with them then send an email asking about the trigger. About 4 days later I received a mailing label and a request to send it in. Got it back 3 weeks later with a new trigger, trigger bar, slide lock lever, and new springs.
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3 M&P's of different vintage with the same accuracy problem; barrels shot out with only 5-8K rounds. Not saying it can't happen, or maybe there is a "fit" problem with the barrels. The M&P series isn't a "target" grade pistol, although if you spend enough money they can come quite accurate. That's not something I chase in a service grade pistol.

I have 3 FS M&P's-the 9mm being the only NIB manufactured in 2013. My FS M&P 45 is a 2007 and my M&P 40 is a 2010 Police Trade-In. They will all shoot 2"-3" groups at 10 yards off hand with any ammo I feed them-factory or reloads; lead, plated or jacketed. Off a rest, I could probably get better results. I'm not near as good with my rifles, never been very good with long guns.

You've had several offers to re-coup your money, I'd even take one off your hands and shoot it, before I ever spent a dime for a replacement barrel. Then if it didn't shoot to my standards, I would opt for a new S&W replacement. IMO, a good, clean used pistol should shoot 2"-3" groups (minimum) at 10 yards, but that's just MY experience.....
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That's very interesting. I bought an M&P that was originally a police trade-in that changed hands 2-3 more times before it came to me and S&W had no issues honoring the warranty. I didn't even call them, all I did was register it with them then send an email asking about the trigger. About 4 days later I received a mailing label and a request to send it in. Got it back 3 weeks later with a new trigger, trigger bar, slide lock lever, and new springs.
How did you register gun with them ??
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You might get 2" groups at 25 yards out of a well fitted 1911. Real well fitted ones will do that or better at 50 yards. A $500+\- service pistol is considered pretty good with 4" groups at 25 yards. Most won't do that well. 8" groups at 10 yards pretty much sucks. Not acceptable by any means.
These pistols were designed to put rounds in a torso. 8" at 10 yards isn't OK. That's obvious. But 2" or so at 25 yards, or 5" or so at 50 yards is great. At that point, it is repeat-ability of the rounds loaded.

If you really want that accuracy, you need a TARGET pistol. Don't expect a service firearm to be a target pistol. Service pistols are for gunfights, which are usually at less than 25 feet. Using a rest is cheating BTW. If you can't hand hold and fire accurately, you need to practice a WHOLE lot more.

You need to decide what you want/need it for, then decide what hardware will work for that. Pistol, car, kitchen knife, you still need to know its use FIRST before you get your proper tool.
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I have to agree with that. Certain guns have certain intended functions and anyone's polymer service pistol is not intended to be a match gun. Some will have better accuracy than others, but look at their intended market segment.
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Original barrel might've been swapped.... M&P is plenty accurate and the new 2.0 is even better. Use common sense and buy a new barrel..
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