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Old 04-05-2017, 09:27 AM
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A little background, I am a revolver guy LOL. I relinquished a beautiful S&W E Series 1911 a few months ago to a good friend who is making it a safe queen so I know it got a good home

My favorite gun to shoot is my 625 5" 45acp revolver, I guess I like the 45acp round as I have had several 9mm full sized semi-autos and I don't keep them long. Reading all the positive reviews on the Shield 45 I just got mine and took it out first time to the indoor range. I am a reloader, I don't buy factory ammo though I did buy a box of Federal 230gr to shoot first in the Shield so that if there were any issues with feed and eject I could eliminate my reloads. The factory trigger on mine as measured with Lyman digital was close to 7lbs, not something I am at all used to but really didn't feel that bad. After checking the trigger again after shooting is settled in more in the 6lb 5oz range. Yes it has some grittiness but not a lot of take up and a pretty decent break and minimal overtravel to the stop.
Now, I primarily shoot plated SWC's bullets, I use several different powders too, I had 4 or 5 powders in reloads with the SWC's with me and I tried them all, and they ALL worked fine! Only slight issue was feeding in the first round but no issues on feed and eject so that made me quite happy!

My thoughts, I didn't expect as much as I got for what I paid for this gun, I have taking a liking to it and am giving it respect. Since I like to tinker and I will upgrade the feel of the trigger and reduce the break by adding an Apex sear, the rest I will polish up and study as it comes apart, YES I could shoot it just as it is, YES it shot surprisingly accurate for such a small sight radius. I know I will shoot it even better as I refine the trigger but that is what I like to do with all my guns and I understand why it can't be refined as a 'production' gun. I thinks S&W has a great gun here in this 45 Shield, I'm going to really enjoy it and after putting 100 rounds through it in about 45 mins I had no complaints on how it felt in my hands and they are about a good medium+ size and I am not a big guy at 160lbs. If you are on the fence post about this gun, I suggest you get one, not likely you will regret the small amount spent for the satisfaction and potential it offers!
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I installed the Apex sear only part #100-163. Wow! I am now at sub 5# pulls (4lb 7oz to 4lb 13oz) and with a crisper cleaner break. A very nice feel to the trigger overall. Off to the range tomorrow to try it out These upgrades are more for my pursuance of more like a target trigger, this is NOT a carry gun for me.
More to come.............
**See post #22 for update report**
**See post #25 for Striker block plunger update** 4/29/17

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Old 04-05-2017, 10:25 AM
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I agree with you. I bought mine in November [my Christmas present] and I love it. I use 230 gr. RN Blue Bullets in my reloads and they work fine. For the price it is one great gun.
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Old 04-06-2017, 08:06 AM
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Like the OP, I found the 45 Shield to be a great little pistol being sold at an excellent price point (and recently with a rebate). I'm at 800 rounds through mine without an issue. I thought the trigger was good out of the box, but it smooths out and lightens nicely after being shot a bit. It makes a great carry pistol.
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Old 04-08-2017, 04:41 PM
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I will be picking mine up next week. It's good to see the positive reports on this forum.
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Old 04-08-2017, 05:36 PM
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I just picked mine, but have shot a rental before, it is an amazing gun.
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Old 04-08-2017, 05:39 PM
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Just took delivery on mine this morning! Hope to shoot it within the next week. For a net cost after rebate of less than $300, I couldn't resist.
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Old 04-08-2017, 06:51 PM
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I have two. Didn't plan on the second but with rebate $264 done. Couldn't pass on it.
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Held one; said nah, I have a Shield 9 that's my go to carry gun; rebate came along; bought one and love it! My LGS guy said S&W has hit a home run again, based on his sales. It's a home run as far as I'm concerned!! Waiting on a CCW holster that fits.
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Just took delivery of mine today. Did a good clean and lube job on it. A little bit of polishing on the connector and a lot of dry fire. Trigger pull was 6 lbs out of the box. After the polishing and dry fire, it is pretty consistent at just a hair over 5 lbs. I was planning on installing an Apex hard steel sear, but I may not need to. Can't wait to get to the range with it.

I have to say, that is some very aggressive grip texture, especially on the back strap. Hoping it will smooth out a little over time. If not, Talon Grips here I come.

Purchased Three extra 6 round mags from Quantico Tactical. Glad I have a UpLula. Very difficult to get the last round in right now. Just part of being new.

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Old 04-08-2017, 07:21 PM
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Held one; said nah, I have a Shield 9 that's my go to carry gun; rebate came along; bought one and love it!
Same here. Have the 9, wanted a 45. Couldn't justify it in my mind. The rebate was the deal maker. Also waiting on the holster. I can use a Remora till then.
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I shot one a while ago and added to my gun list immediately I was amazed with it. Now the rebate and online prices was the perfect timing. Mine is already cleaned and lubed, it came with a lot of oil kind of sticky. I noticed the trigger is way better out of the box on the 45 compared with the shield 9, it breaks clean, nice and crispy, no more grittiness, didn't measured it but it seems between 5.5 and 6lb my shield 9 is under 6lb with the apex trigger kit, can't wait to shoot it hopefully tomorrow.
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I shot one a while ago and added to my gun list immediately I was amazed with it. Now the rebate and online prices was the perfect timing. Mine is already cleaned and lubed, it came with a lot of oil kind of sticky. I noticed the trigger is way better out of the box on the 45 compared with the shield 9, it breaks clean, nice and crispy, no more grittiness, didn't measured it but it seems between 5.5 and 6lb my shield 9 is under 6lb with the apex trigger kit, can't wait to shoot it hopefully tomorrow.
Mine was really greased up too, and dirty. It took me an hour to get it all cleaned up and to the range. Shot more than 100 rounds of ball ammo out of it and it shoots very smoothly, but the gritty grip does wear on the fork of your hand and palm. I think as soon as I get to put some carry ammo through it, it'll become my EDC.
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but the gritty grip does wear on the fork of your hand and palm. I think as soon as I get to put some carry ammo through it, it'll become my EDC.
I plan to get the beavertail grip for it, have one on my shield9 and love it.
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Old 04-09-2017, 07:42 PM
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I have two. Didn't plan on the second but with rebate $264 done. Couldn't pass on it.
No kidding. I bought three for a total of 4

225 ea. Cant go wrong

Gotem friday. 500rds downrange so far.

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Old 04-10-2017, 07:26 AM
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I got one and took it to the range this weekend. I didn't even clean it before shooting it. Just did a safety check before firing. Not one problem. Makes big holes in refrigerant bottles!
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I bought one a few month ago and was pleasantly surprised on how well it shoots and how reliable it is with reloads. I have put 1350 rounds trough it, only 50 were 230 grain factory hard ball. The rest all were 200 grains SWC reloads and that is what I will continue to shoot. The only complain that I have is the stiffness of the magazine springs. S&W hit a homerun with this gun.
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I bought one a few month ago and was pleasantly surprised on how well it shoots and how reliable it is with reloads. I have put 1350 rounds trough it, only 50 were 230 grain factory hard ball. The rest all were 200 grains SWC reloads and that is what I will continue to shoot. The only complain that I have is the stiffness of the magazine springs. S&W hit a homerun with this gun.
I loaded and reloaded mags while watching TV for about 2 days running and the springs loosened up nicely.....no problem loading any of the mags now........
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The only complain that I have is the stiffness of the magazine springs. S&W hit a homerun with this gun.
I take the magazine apart and polish inside and out. I found that the follower (on mine) was a bit tight and had mold hangers on it. I used sand paper to remove and round out some edges. Lightly lubricate, reassemble. Load up the magazine to full capacity and let it sit for a week or so. Should lighten up the spring dramatically.
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My mags lightened up noticably after about 100rds. Also took them straight to the range with no cleaning. After a 200 round blitz this weekend (over 3 new shields so 600 total) cleaned everything.

Took mags apart, cleaned, lubed, reassembled. Helped a lot.

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Like the OP, I found the 45 Shield to be a great little pistol being sold at an excellent price point (and recently with a rebate). I'm at 800 rounds through mine without an issue. I thought the trigger was good out of the box, but it smooths out and lightens nicely after being shot a bit. It makes a great carry pistol.
I have 1300 rounds through my Shield .45., and that has been my experience, too. A smooth trigger right out of the box, which has lightened up with use. My Shield 9 (4800 rounds) trigger was similar. I've never understood those who want to replace their factory trigger with an Apex before they've even fired a round. If you still don't like your trigger after 1000 rounds, OK, go Apex, but at least give the factory trigger a chance. You might end up liking it and saving yourself some money. If you're going to carry, you don't want a trigger that is too light. Both of my Shields now have triggers that have become perfect for carry guns.
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After installing the new sear I got a chance to get a little shooting in. The sear alone is a very nice upgrade in enhancing the trigger overall for the $42 it costs and I retain the factory sear too. Installation was fairly easy other than taking apart any gun and especially new gun is a learning experience. That rear roll pin takes some good whacks to get it moving!
I also had loaded up a batch of Berry's 45 acp Target Hollow Points 200gr. Oddly they would not chamber? They dropped into my case gauge just fine, they shot fine in my friends Ruger 1911 and another 1911 that another shooter at the range had. It appears the bullet shoulder breaks to the straight of the base is scuffing and preventing proper seating. I have sent a message to Berry's and waiting a response back. The Target HP's shot very well in my S&W 625 revolver!

**Issue resolved, I loaded the bullets a bit too long, just needed to seat deeper as the bullet was hitting the lands/grooves before seating on case mouth.** Not an issue with the barrel, just the guy doing the reloads (me)

*Next I have a JMT sight pusher arriving, I will pull the the rear sight and polish the striker block button up real well and fully disassemble the rest of the gun to address any other areas I can find that show 'rub' to polish up. I have found that Wet/Dry sandpaper at 2000 grit makes for a good polishing medium and will do a fine job on polishing up feed ramps too
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(Snip). I also had loaded up a batch of Berry's 45 acp Target Hollow Points 200gr. Oddly they would not chamber? They dropped into my case gauge just fine, they shot fine in my friends Ruger 1911 and another 1911 that another shooter at the range had. It appears the bullet shoulder breaks to the straight of the base is scuffing and preventing proper seating. I have sent a message to Berry's and waiting a response back. The Target HP's shot very well in my S&W 625 revolver!

**Issue resolved, I loaded the bullets a bit too long, just needed to seat deeper as the bullet was hitting the lands/grooves before seating on case mouth.** Not an issue with the barrel, just the guy doing the reloads (me)
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What OAL did you settle on? I'm at 1.250" and SWC's aren't feeding too well but accuracy is quite good.
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What OAL did you settle on? I'm at 1.250" and SWC's aren't feeding too well but accuracy is quite good.
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The Berry's Hollow Point Targets are going to need to be 1.114 to seat proper in my chamber.
The Berry's SWC's were feeding fine for me at about 1.235 but I just loaded up some more at 1.203.
Yes your accuracy looks great! Nice Mine seems to shoot a bit to the left, after close inspection my front sight is slightly left, I just got a JMT sight pusher so I will tweak that front sight later on.
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**This is another update on my Shield 45**
Just sharing some info here. I purchased the JMT sight pusher along with the S&W pin set so that I could remove my rear sight and make an adjustment to the front sight.
I wanted to remove the striker block plunger assembly to polish and radius the bottom as well as debur and or polish the cavity in which it rides in. The time spent was well worth it. I took some 1000 and 2000 grit wet/dry paper to burnish the cavity then I mounted the plunger in my cordless drill and used a honing stone to knock down the edge of the plunger base and radius it, then I used the 2000 grit paper to polish and then I also high polished the sides of the plunger that contact the walls of the cavity as well as apply a bit of moly lube. As I pushed on the plunger with a steel punch I felt no binding or grittiness.
Also I removed the striker assembly of which had some wear indicator marks of areas metal touched metal and polished those and then applied a bit of moly lube to the plastic slide on the striker pin assembly.

**Overall the trigger is becoming very nice, the grittiness is gone and with the Apex sear in place and this being done I have a trigger coming in around 4lb 6oz and a much smoother pull overall. Next step left is to polish the small semi-loop on the trigger bar that the sear rides up on and any other seen contact points once the assembly is removed. It has been rewarding for me to dissect the assembly and refine it. It just keeps getting better!
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***if anyone has an unaltered factory sear from a Shield 45 please contact me, I have a WTB request in the classified forum, thanks***

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Finished up last night stripping down the frame. Found a few areas to that benefitted from polishing, mainly underside of sear where the 'loop' pushes under it and also the loop itself on the trigger bar got polished completely. Some moly lube on any friction points and put it all back together and wow is it smooth! No 'grab' as it engages the safety plunger, not drag as you pull the trigger at all. Digital Lyman gage has me right at about 4lbs now with a nice crisp release.
So with just the installation of the Apex sear and careful polishing of contact points I started at the upper 6lb range and settled in at about 4lbs but such a better feel to the whole trigger pull now.
If anyone has any questions I'm glad to offer input of what I did just send a PM to me or email me.
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Been following along. Good work! I also got dramatic results as you did.

I like the PDF that shows the filing/polishing process. I have 4 of these so as I replace a sear, I file the takeout to go in the next one.

Have them all done before long.
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Been following along. Good work! I also got dramatic results as you did.

I like the PDF that shows the filing/polishing process. I have 4 of these so as I replace a sear, I file the takeout to go in the next one.

Have them all done before long.
I did not modify the factory sear but instead put in a replacement Apex sear and polished it. Is that what you are doing or are you modifying the factory sear? And thanks!
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When this was brought to my attention someone (probably you) brought the "sear only change out" to light instead of the entire kit. I immediately ordered the sear (ebay) and put it in mommas Shield9. Great difference. Been filing on that factory takeout (OEM) slowly and have it just about ready to put a polish on it. When I looked at what the difference was between the Apex and an OEM it seemed pretty cut and dried. I see where the ramp angle was changed dramatically and the angle was right in line with the tip up to the top of the roll pin hole. Vised it up in the forceps and been workin on it with an ignition file. I just dress on it when I have a few minutes at work

I didnt polish the Apex, might need to pull that unit down and do a nice polishing on it and the other components now that I am much more enlightened

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Ok, for just playin around it came out pretty good.

Swapping out sear's for an Apex/Apex style modification..

Pic#1 shows the OEM sear I took out of my Shield9 and modified to an Apex style ramp. Filed X 1200 X final high polish.

Pic #2 shows side-by-side of the modified sear (top) and the OEM Shield45 sear. The first thing I noticed is that the rear hole on the OEM sear is partially drilled out (weight savings? balance?) other than that they are identical. Interesting.

Pic #3 shows a high polish on the loop.


First....the actual Apex sear in the Shield9. Initially the OEM sear had a 6.5lb pull. The Apex sear brought it down to 5lb with no additional work, polishing etc.

Second....the modified Apex style sear in the Shield45. Now to be perfectly honest here, I am not some longtime gun sporter nor am I intimately familiar with trigger variations. I am however somewhat mechanically inclined. That being said, I will also admit that my particular Shield45 (and the wife's) seemed to have an excellent trigger(s). The OEM sear in the 9mm seemed very smooth, crisp and nice (2k rds) but somewhat heavy on pull. The Apex made a dramatic difference in the 9.

The Shield45 had a 5lb pull with the OEM sear. (Can you believe that? Thats pretty great!)

The Apex style modification yielded me about 4 ozs along with high finish polishing on the sear and the loop.

I havent compared it to the Instructional PDF yet and I might have been too conservative on cutting the bevel into it. Better to take off too little than too much .....so I might go back in and dress it down some more.

Heading to Houston this weekend to see the kids and grandkids so Ill take it with me and get some range time down there to see how it feels in practice instead of theory.
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UPDATE:
I picked up the the Hogue GripAll grip not because I found the OEM too aggressive but simply because I wanted a bit more girth and a little cushion in the web of my hand. A real pain the arse to put on but quite a comfortable grip overall and it does nice to absorb a bit of the vibration through the hard plastic grip so I am very pleased with it!

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Interesting reading and I respect what you're doing Dad_Roman.
I'm in my mid 40s and I remember when Glocks and striker pistols first hit the market. Learning a DA/SA took some practice and you learned to feel the trigger.
I'm glad Apex did the engineering and perfected the manufacturing to mass produce their parts and kits. It shows me that S&W chose not to continue engineering the sear and plunger further.
I believe Apex makes a healthy profit on each part and every kit. I applaud that and they deserve every penny. What you get for your money makes a great trigger system for a small total investment.
Its also freedom. People can choose to just put in the sear and some time polishing, or they can do an aluminum trigger, or a whole kit. Spend as little or as much as they want.
Its a great era when you can get an amazingly reliable and quality pistol for such a low price. Great warranty and excellent after market products to make it suit your tastes and needs.
I do get a kick when someone tries the Apex sear and feels the difference.
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I did not modify the factory sear but instead put in a replacement Apex sear and polished it. Is that what you are doing or are you modifying the factory sear? And thanks!
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Great thread! I've been going into this myself, and only went with the Sear as the rear sight removal was intimidating (and potentially with aesthetically negative side effects if I screw up). Luckily in about 500 rounds, the take-up is pretty smooth.

I was debating polishing the Apex sear-- the finish/color was off so I was concerned about it. Maybe I'll go back in.



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Pic #3 shows a high polish on the loop.


First....the actual Apex sear in the Shield9. Initially the OEM sear had a 6.5lb pull. The Apex sear brought it down to 5lb with no additional work, polishing etc.

Second....the modified Apex style sear in the Shield45. Now to be perfectly honest here, I am not some longtime gun sporter nor am I intimately familiar with trigger variations. I am however somewhat mechanically inclined. That being said, I will also admit that my particular Shield45 (and the wife's) seemed to have an excellent trigger(s). The OEM sear in the 9mm seemed very smooth, crisp and nice (2k rds) but somewhat heavy on pull. The Apex made a dramatic difference in the 9.

The Shield45 had a 5lb pull with the OEM sear. (Can you believe that? Thats pretty great!)

The Apex style modification yielded me about 4 ozs along with high finish polishing on the sear and the loop.

I havent compared it to the Instructional PDF yet and I might have been too conservative on cutting the bevel into it. Better to take off too little than too much .....so I might go back in and dress it down some more.

Heading to Houston this weekend to see the kids and grandkids so Ill take it with me and get some range time down there to see how it feels in practice instead of theory.
Indeed better to be conservative than too aggressive!

Though, I've had this apart 2 times now. I'm concerned with the roll pins as they get borderline tough to punch back in place. I wouldn't be surprised if the pin's diameter at the ends were getting larger from tapping on it.

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The second time I played with the loop to try to mess with over-travel.
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I havent been messin with the loop. Lemme get this "sear" thing down first. One step at a time

Thats a great picture of your sears, OEM/Apex. I have been really regretting not having a pic of the Apex sear before I put it in.

It gets hard to judge where to go when your cutting that new ramp from memory

......and us ole farts memory aint worth beans anyhow

Good stuff...movin forward. Gonna shoot the ole girl this weekend and see what she says. Will advise!


EDIT: Roll pins...yea a tube naturally flares when you hammer on the end of it but we are talking "thousandths" here and that pin is plenty long. Just bevel the ends a touch to take the flare back off

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A little background, I am a revolver guy LOL. I relinquished a beautiful S&W E Series 1911 a few months ago to a good friend who is making it a safe queen so I know it got a good home

My favorite gun to shoot is my 625 5" 45acp revolver, I guess I like the 45acp round as I have had several 9mm full sized semi-autos and I don't keep them long. Reading all the positive reviews on the Shield 45 I just got mine and took it out first time to the indoor range. I am a reloader, I don't buy factory ammo though I did buy a box of Federal 230gr to shoot first in the Shield so that if there were any issues with feed and eject I could eliminate my reloads. The factory trigger on mine as measured with Lyman digital was close to 7lbs, not something I am at all used to but really didn't feel that bad. After checking the trigger again after shooting is settled in more in the 6lb 5oz range. Yes it has some grittiness but not a lot of take up and a pretty decent break and minimal overtravel to the stop.
Now, I primarily shoot plated SWC's bullets, I use several different powders too, I had 4 or 5 powders in reloads with the SWC's with me and I tried them all, and they ALL worked fine! Only slight issue was feeding in the first round but no issues on feed and eject so that made me quite happy!

My thoughts, I didn't expect as much as I got for what I paid for this gun, I have taking a liking to it and am giving it respect. Since I like to tinker and I will upgrade the feel of the trigger and reduce the break by adding an Apex sear, the rest I will polish up and study as it comes apart, YES I could shoot it just as it is, YES it shot surprisingly accurate for such a small sight radius. I know I will shoot it even better as I refine the trigger but that is what I like to do with all my guns and I understand why it can't be refined as a 'production' gun. I thinks S&W has a great gun here in this 45 Shield, I'm going to really enjoy it and after putting 100 rounds through it in about 45 mins I had no complaints on how it felt in my hands and they are about a good medium+ size and I am not a big guy at 160lbs. If you are on the fence post about this gun, I suggest you get one, not likely you will regret the small amount spent for the satisfaction and potential it offers!
Just my opinions......
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I installed the Apex sear only part #100-163. Wow! I am now at sub 5# pulls (4lb 7oz to 4lb 13oz) and with a crisper cleaner break. A very nice feel to the trigger overall. Off to the range tomorrow to try it out These upgrades are more for my pursuance of more like a target trigger, this is NOT a carry gun for me.
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**See post #25 for Striker block plunger update** 4/29/17
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Great thread! I've been going into this myself, and only went with the Sear as the rear sight removal was intimidating (and potentially with aesthetically negative side effects if I screw up). Luckily in about 500 rounds, the take-up is pretty smooth.

I was debating polishing the Apex sear-- the finish/color was off so I was concerned about it. Maybe I'll go back in.





Indeed better to be conservative than too aggressive!

Though, I've had this apart 2 times now. I'm concerned with the roll pins as they get borderline tough to punch back in place. I wouldn't be surprised if the pin's diameter at the ends were getting larger from tapping on it.

Here's my loop:



The second time I played with the loop to try to mess with over-travel.
Your 'loop' looks much better than the profile on mine, mine was a little rough and not evenly flat like yours, however it all works just fine!
Nice work on the polishing job
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I havent been messin with the loop. Lemme get this "sear" thing down first. One step at a time

Thats a great picture of your sears, OEM/Apex. I have been really regretting not having a pic of the Apex sear before I put it in.

It gets hard to judge where to go when your cutting that new ramp from memory

......and us ole farts memory aint worth beans anyhow

Good stuff...movin forward. Gonna shoot the ole girl this weekend and see what she says. Will advise!


EDIT: Roll pins...yea a tube naturally flares when you hammer on the end of it but we are talking "thousandths" here and that pin is plenty long. Just bevel the ends a touch to take the flare back off
Be careful when you do change the gap on the loop as if you have to close it down make sure to protect the finish you polished on the loop and don't mar it with pliers! LOL
Nice info you have shared and a job well done and shown that others can also benefit from.
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I will be installing the apex duty carry kit this weekend, the factory trigger pull on mine is around 6lb will see how much improvement I'll get.

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Did they redesign the 45 sear? I put one of my unused 45 Apex sears I had on hand for a regular M&P 45 in my 45 Shield and it dropped it down to a 3lb pull. Not something I'd want on a carry gun.

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Did they redesign the 45 sear? I put one of my unused 45 Apex sears I had on hand for a regular M&P 45 in my 45 Shield and it dropped it down to a 3lb pull. Not something I'd want on a carry gun.
I don't believe those are compatible! The Shield I believe is different in design. The Apex website points out that regular M&P sear not for M&P Shield. Obviously it fits but not to the safe tolerances it should for trigger sear engagement.
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I don't believe those are compatible! The Shield I believe is different in design. The Apex website points out that regular M&P sear not for M&P Shield. Obviously it fits but not to the safe tolerances it should for trigger sear engagement.
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The same part number on the Apex website says it's for the M&P 45 and Shield: Details I'm pretty sure all Shields use the 45 sear.

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The same part number on the Apex website says it's for the M&P 45 and Shield: Details I'm pretty sure all Shields use the 45 sear.
What part# are you speaking of? Did you buy a kit with a sear or just the sear part# 100-063?

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Kit # 100-062 on their site still reads not for Shield 45.

I wasn't sure if the sear was from a kit or the 100-063 he was speaking of, now I wonder if I could get one of those sears to make my Shield 45 a Target Gun with a 3lb trigger LOL
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If there was an AEK kit bought for the M&P, the Apex site still reads that it doesn't function in the Shield 45? Whether that means the other components or the sear I don't know.

Kit # 100-062 on their site still reads not for Shield 45.



I wasn't sure if the sear was from a kit or the 100-063 he was speaking of, now I wonder if I could get one of those sears to make my Shield 45 a Target Gun with a 3lb trigger LOL

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I don't know, apex products compatibility can be confusing sometimes, before the shield45 were released the sear 100-63 was compatible with the full size 45 and shield 9 only, now it is compatible with other guns including 2.0. But if you look at the pics is still the two dot sear. Some kits includes different parts I guess that's what make them incompatible.


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I don't know, apex products compatibility can be confusing sometimes, before the shield45 were released the sear 100-63 was compatible with the full size 45 and shield 9 only, now it is compatible with other guns including 2.0. But if you look at the pics is still the two dot sear. Some kits includes different parts I guess that's what make them incompatible.


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OK that makes sense, supposedly the 'two dot' sear is the correct sear now Their site is a bit confusion on compatibility but their products are good
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What part# are you speaking of? Did you buy a kit with a sear or just the sear part# 100-063?
Just the sear from about a year ago. That part number is the same sear for the larger 45 models and all Shields. Post number 42, click on the "Details" link.

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If there was an AEK kit bought for the M&P, the Apex site still reads that it doesn't function in the Shield 45? Whether that means the other components or the sear I don't know.
Kit # 100-062 on their site still reads not for Shield 45.

I wasn't sure if the sear was from a kit or the 100-063 he was speaking of, now I wonder if I could get one of those sears to make my Shield 45 a Target Gun with a 3lb trigger LOL
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I was just talking about the sear I linked earlier, not the kit. The kit is not for the Shield 45 since it is a bit different than the 9/40 models. I don't know if it's the same sear as the one they have now, but the one I have gave The 45 Shield a 3lb trigger pull. I also have the same sear just by itself in both of my FS45s.

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A second Apex Sear (PN: 100-063) found itself in my hands.

Debating on replacing the PC sear with it or leaving it as is and selling it off. (My Shields are 9s)
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