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Old 04-21-2017, 09:25 PM
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Just bought my shield 9mm today and the first thing I do is try and load my 7 round clip into the gun.... Well guess what Brothers?!?!!!! The dang thing will not even come close to fitting... It only fits if I take a bullet out and run with 6...but then when I try and rack with the six it still doesn't work... It basically jams the gun!!!! This is my first smith and Wesson and I must say it will probably be my last.... Going shooting pretty soon.. So hopefully that helps my thoughts about the firearm. Anyone else have this problem??? From what I seen it's a pretty regular thing... So far Springfield xd mod 2 (1) s&w shield (0) but im not giving up yet.... BTW s&w is sending me 2 new mags
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:31 PM
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yup they all are like that when new, you need to break in the magazines first and the pistol as well. Don't be afraid to hit it hard when inserting it.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:44 PM
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At least he didn't say that he should have bought a Glock

The shorter the barrel is on a recoil operated handgun, the more difficult it is for the engineers to get it to run 100% without making some compromises. In this case it is magazine spring. The springs will "wear in" if you store the mag filled to max.
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Try inserting the mag with the slide locked back, and then release the slide on the loaded mag. Should get easier after a bit of shooting.
Also, a Maglula Uplula mag loader is a blessing for the mags.

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So help me understand, you get 7 rounds in the magazine, but then you can't get it in the pistol? Was the slide locked open? If not, why not? Then when you load with 6, it goes in, but won't chamber a round? I'm sorry, but what you're saying doesn't really make sense to me. I have a Shield 9 and a Shield 45 and the only issue I had when they were new was getting the 7th round into the magazine. Wish I had a better grasp of what you could be doing.
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Problem is you are trying to insert a "clip" into a firearm that uses magazines but not clips
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Just bought my shield 9mm today and the first thing I do is try and load my 7 round clip into the gun.... Well guess what Brothers?!?!!!! The dang thing will not even come close to fitting... It only fits if I take a bullet out and run with 6...but then when I try and rack with the six it still doesn't work... It basically jams the gun!!!! This is my first smith and Wesson and I must say it will probably be my last.... Going shooting pretty soon.. So hopefully that helps my thoughts about the firearm. Anyone else have this problem??? From what I seen it's a pretty regular thing... So far Springfield xd mod 2 (1) s&w shield (0) but im not giving up yet.... BTW s&w is sending me 2 new mags
Now that has got to be a + for S&W now you have 4 mags, take just a little time & break them in load them & let them sit, load the gun with the slide open. sure hope to hear everything works out for the better

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Old 04-21-2017, 11:17 PM
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Mag loader really makes a difference until the mags are broken in
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Just bought my shield 9mm today and the first thing I do is try and load my 7 round clip into the gun.... Well guess what Brothers?!?!!!! The dang thing will not even come close to fitting... It only fits if I take a bullet out and run with 6...but then when I try and rack with the six it still doesn't work... It basically jams the gun!!!! This is my first smith and Wesson and I must say it will probably be my last.... Going shooting pretty soon.. So hopefully that helps my thoughts about the firearm. Anyone else have this problem??? From what I seen it's a pretty regular thing... So far Springfield xd mod 2 (1) s&w shield (0) but im not giving up yet.... BTW s&w is sending me 2 new mags
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The magazines improve with use. At first they are very stiff. If you are handy, they do well with a good cleaning and light lube inside the magazine. The followers on mine had some mold hangers that I trimmed and sanded the sharp edges smooth. Jam the rounds in there, leave for a week and the mags should be just fine.
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Yeah a uplula loader works wonders on these magazines they are tuff when new I think the 45 was a little stiffer to load than the 9mm for me in shields. Never had a problem putting a fully loaded mag in a shield open or closed. Just give tap after loading to shift bullets to rear of magazine then give it a good tap into gun and usually good to go.
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Just smack it with your palm. I think that some are trying to baby these things. A good smack, and it will probably stay every time. These guns are tough. Like others have said, doesn't matter whether the slide is opened or closed.
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The magazine springs on M&P pistols are typically stiff when new. I could not even get the 10th round into one of the mags for my M&P 45. I called S&W and a nice young lady advised me to load the mag with 9 and let it set for a day - then load the 10th and let that set. I was skeptical - but before I demanded new mags I agreed to try it. It worked. My M&P Shield 9mm 7 round mag was really hard to load into the pistol when it was new - but it is also breaking in. When I first got it I would put one hand on the top of the slide and press the mag in with the other - not slap it - press it. If you leave a fully loaded mag in the gun that will compress the spring even more and help break in the spring.
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To the O P I know its frustrating.I know you dont want hear this but I had a huge issue with my New Springfield xds 45 acp. That firearm would not run a full magazine for 1st 500 rounds. Springfield told me run a few more 100 rounds threw. I am at about. 750 threw. Right around 500 like a light switch it was fine.
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Welcome A Board sorry about issuses. Don't give up this yet on the smith. I had a similiar issuse with my 1st ever Springfield xds 45acp. It would not run a full magazine 1 st 500 rounds. No feed no fire . After 500 mark been fine
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Thanks for the suggestions. I'm pretty strong and with all my strength it still doesn't click into position. I'm thinking the lip of it is kinda bent just a little so it's not curved like it should be... Just ordered the alien gear holster for it so I'm still super excited about it... The extension on the 8 rd clip fits my hand just perfect also. Any recommendations on AMMO??? And even when I leave just 6 in the 7 rd it still has trouble loading the round into the chamber so I'm pretty sure it's just a messed up magazine. I just started shooting last June so I'm definitely not a pro or anything....but any recommendations or tips would be appreciated ...not a good experience at all to spend 275 dollars on the pistol to have that happen first thing.
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Did you try smacking it with your palm, versus a direct force of pushing? Takes a lot more push, than just hitting it quickly with your palm of the hand.
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Keep magazines fully loaded when storing them too.
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Thanks for the suggestions. I'm pretty strong and with all my strength it still doesn't click into position. I'm thinking the lip of it is kinda bent just a little so it's not curved like it should be... Just ordered the alien gear holster for it so I'm still super excited about it... The extension on the 8 rd clip fits my hand just perfect also. Any recommendations on AMMO??? And even when I leave just 6 in the 7 rd it still has trouble loading the round into the chamber so I'm pretty sure it's just a messed up magazine. I just started shooting last June so I'm definitely not a pro or anything....but any recommendations or tips would be appreciated ...not a good experience at all to spend 275 dollars on the pistol to have that happen first thing.
One more thing you can try - put the fully loaded magazine in as far as it will go until the top round hits the slide. There should be about a 1/4 inch gap between the mag base and the bottom of the grip. Then put the other palm on the top of the slide and push the mag in as far as it will go - let the spring push it back out - then push it back in - do this about twenty times. Then push it all the way in to lock. If this does not work - something is wrong.
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My brand new 9mm M&P Shield is great. BUT... I disassembled both mags to check for problems, before shooting the first time.
Yup. One of the mags had the spring in backwards.
And yes, they are tight at first. Maglulas work great. Let em sit for a coupla weeks.
My Sigs are the same. LOL
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My daughter is a LEO with a North Carolina agency and her duty weapon is a Glock 21 - Gen 4 in .45 ACP. When issued it was brand new, in case with the 2 extra 13 round mags, and a "chincy" Glock "plastic mag loader.

She was told in basic LEO ttraining to load up all 3 mags with full 13 rounds and then rotate quite often during qualifying and weekly practice events. I gave her my Uplula mag loader that I use for my Browning Hi Power and since then no troubles whatsoever.

I was never one to leave fully loaded mags in the safe or ammo boxes, but since my daughter told me that it is standard practice with her agency (duty belt has all 3 mags fully loaded, one in gun, two on belt), and that the springs actually are made with this in mind, I may change my take on this situation too.

Evidently the springs like full compression most times being relieved when shot, then fully compressed again.

I agree with the other posters....load em up, let em sit, smack with rims down into palm after loading to seat all rounds against the back of the mag, fire away......repeat.
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When you attempt to chamber a round, are you releasing the slide and allowing it to slam forward? Some shooters have a tendency to "ride" the slide forward with their hand on it thus interfering with the round chambering.. As with seating your magazines, it's wrong to baby your pistol.

Your problems all appear to have occurred before you actually shot the Shield. Put 100 rounds through it and report back.
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Just bought my shield 9mm today and the first thing I do is try and load my 7 round clip into the gun.... Well guess what Brothers?!?!!!! The dang thing will not even come close to fitting... It only fits if I take a bullet out and run with 6...but then when I try and rack with the six it still doesn't work... It basically jams the gun!!!! This is my first smith and Wesson and I must say it will probably be my last.... Going shooting pretty soon.. So hopefully that helps my thoughts about the firearm. Anyone else have this problem??? From what I seen it's a pretty regular thing... So far Springfield xd mod 2 (1) s&w shield (0) but im not giving up yet.... BTW s&w is sending me 2 new mags
Just a FYI on here don't call a magazine a clip or you will get a ribbing from some folks as a joke. No hurt feelings there just trying to let you know you are using the wrong terminology. Your new here so I will forgive you.
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Welcome...beware the flying monkeys

Shields are stiff when you first get them. Mags and slide alike. Dont baby it, just get after it! First 100 rounds smooth everything up and get everything flexing properly and after 500 rounds you will have a dream of a gun.

All good ideas expressed above. Clean, lube, load the mags.

Question....what about the 8 round mag?? Problems with it??

...and everybody knows they are called clipazines
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My Shield 9 came today, from Sportsmen's. Gravel road on the way to the soggy outdoor range after our Sunday rain and snow storm kept me away from the range tonight. So I'm just examining it and dry firing it. Trigger seems okay, not gritty. Field strip and reassembly easy. Mags tight, loaded eight by hand once, used the loader for the other, removed one round and put it back in by hand. Weird thing, I received two 8 round magazines, not a 7. But only one of the plastic inserts to fill the gap between bottom of frame and magazine. My question, do I call Sportsmans or Smith and ask for a seven round mag. And, will they send me another insert?
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Weird thing, I received two 8 round magazines, not a 7. But only one of the plastic inserts to fill the gap between bottom of frame and magazine. My question, do I call Sportsmans or Smith and ask for a seven round mag. And, will they send me another insert?
I would call S&W CS first. No doubt they will send the proper mag (they may send a label to return the other 8 rounder, but I would bet that with a courteous and polite call you will come out 1 mag ahead). The store probably switched out mags hoping no one would notice.
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Yup, Dan from S&W CS offered the sleeve, I nicely asked for the short mag too and he says they are in the mail. Got the 9 to the range tonight for 66 quick rounds. I think I got a good one, was a blast knocking down the steel plates. One FTF, I'm gonna blame Remington UMC rebate ammo for that. The other 49 UMC and 16 Federal rounds from Wal Mart all fed and ejected fine, went bang!
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These are pretty tight guns when they are new. I had kind of a funny experience with my 9mm Shield right after I bought it. I was taking a refresher class a couple of weeks afterwards with an instructor who didn't like the UPLULA tool. He came by my station and said "here, let me show you how to load without that thing." About five minutes later (still on bullet # 1) he said - "Is this one new? Never mind - you're doing the right thing."
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...an instructor who didn't like the UPLULA tool.
Any instructor who doesn't like the UpLula is either an idiot or trying to sell a different brand. I would be looking for another instructor for subsequent refreshers.
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Any instructor who doesn't like the UpLula is either an idiot or trying to sell a different brand. I would be looking for another instructor for subsequent refreshers.
Yeah, this is the first class I had taken with this guy. I don't plan on taking any more with him. Nobody could figure out what his hangup with it was. All he would say is "you're not going to have this if you're in a situation where you have to draw." I was thinking "ummm - when I carry, I already have the magazine in place and a round in the chamber." But, yeah - you do have a point.
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All he would say is "you're not going to have this if you're in a situation where you have to draw."
Ah, he was one of those. I understand wanting students to learn how to operate without special tools that they wouldn't normally have. Even so, I can't imagine a situation where I would want to load a mag and not have the UpLula. Even then, I'll learn on the job.
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Any instructor who doesn't like the UpLula is either an idiot or trying to sell a different brand. I would be looking for another instructor for subsequent refreshers.
If there was a Nobel Prize for firearm technology, the Uplula would be a winner. I can't imagine being without one. Maybe someone should explain the background of the Uplula to that instructor. It was invented in Israel because Israelis frequently need to load their guns in a hurry.
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My "tongue" on mine keeps getting caught when I squeeze and depress. I have to manual pull out on the squeezed handle to get it to disengage. What's being done incorrectly? Happens with loading my Glocks as well. It seems like I'm squeezing too hard to cause this.

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I'd need a picture to diagnose that.
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They have a locking mechanism on the side to lock it closed for the range bag.

Check and make sure its not hanging up or anything.

Just got back from the range. Still breaking in the Shield 45's. Another 75 each puts them both around 440 ea. Running like clockwork.

Its me and momma so when loading for another round its 26 total. I get in the rhythm and can get it done in 30-45 seconds.

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They have a locking mechanism on the side to lock it closed for the range bag.



Check and make sure its not hanging up or anything.



Just got back from the range. Still breaking in the Shield 45's. Another 75 each puts them both around 440 ea. Running like clockwork.



Its me and momma so when loading for another round its 26 total. I get in the rhythm and can get it done in 30-45 seconds.



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Hmm, news to me. I'll need to go look. Thanks for the insight.
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This is the one I have used with pretty good success.



However, I am looking at Amazon at the Maglula in Amazon.com as it is only around $29. Looks interesting.

I have been shooting many years, pistol since 1970, and believe me, I've loaded my share of stiff magazines by hand. Don't worry about having to load in a life-death situation as your adrenaline will be so pumped you won't remember if it was stiff loading. Fumbling may be more in order than worrying about carrying a speed magazine loader.
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+1 Uplula. Never considered / needed one until... Shield. Let the mags sit fully loaded for a week and now I don't "need" it I'm sure I will still use it. I bought a brightly colored one so the black lock switch is obvious. I have on occaision half-locked it during loading, so that may be your problem with it not retracting the tongue easily. The Uplula is a great design and is extremely well-built. Hint: use it on a flat surface.

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However, I am looking at Amazon at the Maglula in Amazon.com as it is only around $29. Looks interesting.
Been there, done that. If you get a MagLula you'll wonder how you ever got by without it

They just came off a sale on Amazon, If your patient and watchful you can catch them on Amazon for 15 bucks.
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BTW...I know some of you will shoot around 200rds on a trip to the range, some less. When I go, I have momma with me and that doubles our loading/shooting. We have found that around 100-150 ea is about all we want in a trip, but still, thats a lot of loading. And while some <guys> can load a mag by hand, SWMBO cannot


Ok...here ya go...just for you guys

Well...apparently Im not smart enough to post a vid here. I tried everything so if you know what Im doing wrong lemme know.

EDIT..MagLula vid..loading and locking mechanism..



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Ok...apparently the forum doesnt like vimeo but YT is ok. Sorry bout that.

Vid above....enjoy.
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Why are you loading the first round by hand? Why not use the loader for all of them?
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I use them for all my magazines, .380, 9mm, and 5.56. Makes things alot easier and faster.
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Why are you loading the first round by hand? Why not use the loader for all of them?
Because the "tongue depressor" is made of metal. Followers of plastic. Im a little "brisk" with the process so I have a bit of a mental block about placing that metal piece against that plastic follower
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Why are you loading the first round by hand? Why not use the loader for all of them?
Some magazines have a weird curve to the follower. The instructions say load the first round by hand then use the Magula for the rest
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