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Old 05-15-2017, 05:41 PM
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Capitalism at work, long live America.

Anyone wanna off their awful plastic Shield, I'm buying at $150 and I'll toss in 10 bucks for shipping.
That's actually a fair price for a used S&W shield but I am keeping mine. I will hold out for the 2.0 for just around 200. I'd like to have both

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Raw materials are likely a small part of the gun cost, be it metal or plastic.

There are exceptions, usually bacause something is rare. By something you want when you can afford it and think the value is good. Use it, enjoy it and if the value goes up and you want something else, sell it.
LOL If S&W had sold 25,000 Registered Magnums between 1935-40 vs the approximately......5000 they did sell...... what would be their value today???
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...S&W? 239 for a shield, really?
... Considering I paid a little over 400 for mine really tears me up.
... Obviously over priced when I bought it.
Then you are not a very astute buyer. I bought my Shield when it retailed for $419 and got a sale price adjustment of $385 for it. I've had it for several years now and have thoroughly enjoyed it. Was it overpriced when I bought it? No, otherwise I would not have bought it. If I thought it was overpriced and bought it anyway, I'd foolish. The fact that it can be bought some places for $239 now has nothing to do with paying $385 for it when I did. I certainly got more than $150 worth of enjoyment out of it.

If you only think that you are a wise shopper only when you get something at the rock bottom price, good luck. You'll be sitting on your money scouring the ads rather than shooting.
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I mostly buy used, in like new condition. But I bought my Shield 9 new due to the $319 sale price/$75 rebate.
Awesome gun, awesome value. Win for me!
I take issue with the plastic guns are **** comments. Sure a PC SW1911 is sweet, sweet. But read other forums about issues with all metal guns... lots of issues. My M&Ps. Walther & Glock have never had a function issue, ever.
I buy for reliability and value. This sale on Shields has given me both.
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Then you are not a very astute buyer. I bought my Shield when it retailed for $419 and got a sale price adjustment of $385 for it. I've had it for several years now and have thoroughly enjoyed it. Was it overpriced when I bought it? No, otherwise I would not have bought it. If I thought it was overpriced and bought it anyway, I'd foolish. The fact that it can be bought some places for $239 now has nothing to do with paying $385 for it when I did. I certainly got more than $150 worth of enjoyment out of it.

If you only think that you are a wise shopper only when you get something at the rock bottom price, good luck. You'll be sitting on your money scouring the ads rather than shooting.
What does this have to do with an item holding its value for resale and a manufacturer devaluing their own product? 🤔
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About a month ago, Lowes had John Deere riding lawn mower baggers on sale for 25% off (269.99 instead of the regular price of $350 or so). I went back and forth about buying one, but decided, on the last day of the sale, not to get one, as I really did not NEED it. Not a week later, I was at Lowes again for something else, and decided just to go look at them to see if it was something that I just had to have, even at full price (sale was over). You can't imagine my face when I saw that they were now on sale for 50% off... I didn't even have to think about it and put one in the cart. I got it for $174.99!

That being said, unless you know somebody in the mix, buying an item at its current price is sort of a gamble. You can buy a shield today for $299 ($224 after rebate), and they may go out of business in two weeks (very doubtful) and the shields will be on sale for half that price (doubtful, but you never know!).

The biggest decision that anybody has to make when purchasing an item is whether or not the item is worth what it is being sold for. In your case, OP, the Shield was worth what you payed for it at the time. Now, for some reason, it seems to be worth less, at least from a manufacturer's standpoint...
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Old 05-15-2017, 07:05 PM
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Why are these sort of flavored threads always from somebody with less than 10 posts to their name. I bet most of us can figure out why....
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Old 05-15-2017, 07:13 PM
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Why are these sort of flavored threads always from somebody with less than 10 posts to their name. I bet most of us can figure out why....
I bet you know why. I'd also bet you have the answer to just about anything. Perception vs reality can sometimes be tricky for us who lack that crystal ball ��. Don't judge a man by the size of his posts

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Remington just announced rebates on several of their models, including $150 on the M700 rifles. (That's almost enough to pay for a Timney trigger.)
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That's why you buy low instead of paying market value
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I agree! I'll just stick with Glock since the company values their product as much as the market does
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Every gun I ever bought was worth at least as much or more dollars than I paid. Dollars come and go, the guns I like have stayed. Haven't lost a wink of sleep over it. By the way, I have a shield I've had for years and gave 400.00 for it. Gave a lil extra to make the metal parts orange , love it!! You guys will probably hate it but that's ok.
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Every gun I ever bought was worth at least as much or more dollars than I paid. Dollars come and go, the guns I like have stayed. Haven't lost a wink of sleep over it. By the way, I have a shield I've had for years and gave 400.00 for it. Gave a lil extra to make the metal parts orange , love it!! You guys will probably hate it but that's ok.
Very unique, and looks good! I like the shield and carry it often myself. I just like having the option of selling a gun and getting around 80% of what I paid for it. However, when the company undercuts the price I lose confidence in their ability to stay strong in adverse conditions (as others stated as a possible reason). I also lose confidence in their pricing standards! Then you're left with responses comparing a gun to a steak or a car. However, I don't see a 30,000 dollar cars price being cut in half at the dealership. Nor does a decent car in good shape lose half its value in one year with low miles in excellent condition. Just my opinion!
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Very unique, and looks good! I like the shield and carry it often myself. I just like having the option of selling a gun and getting around 80% of what I paid for it. However, when the company undercuts the price I lose confidence in their ability to stay strong in adverse conditions (as others stated as a possible reason). I also lose confidence in their pricing standards! Then you're left with responses comparing a gun to a steak or a car. However, I don't see a 30,000 dollar cars price being cut in half at the dealership. Nor does a decent car in good shape lose half its value in one year with low miles in excellent condition. Just my opinion!
Sorry, but this isn't $30,000 car. It's a $400 (or maybe $250) gun. If you want to compare it to another consumer product, compare it to something in a more comparable price range. Like a washing machine or a computer. Think you can buy one of those today and sell it for 80% of what you paid tomorrow? Think Maytag or Hewlett Packard are devaluing their products when they have a big sale or offer a 20% rebate on them? Better yet, compare them to a set of tires - that's about the same ballpark price range. Is Firestone devaluing their product when they have a buy 3 get 1 free sale?

Prices on stuff will fluctuate based on how many of an item are available vs. how many people want to buy them. Like I said, supply and demand. When you bought yours they couldn't keep them on the shelf and they had people lined up to buy them at $400 a pop. Today they have 3 months worth of production sitting on the shelf and not enough buyers to sell them all to. So they have to discount them to move them. It is really that simple.

I'd also be about willing to bet that Gluck didn't build up a huge inventory 6 months ago, gambling that demand was going to increase due to political winds. Not to mention that their product wasn't experiencing the kind of sales demand that the Shield was this time last year.

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... a manufacturer devaluing their own product? ��
You are apparently laboring under the false impression that rebates and sales somehow permanently lower prices.

Here is an extensive list of firearms rebates. You are welcome to prove to yourself that rebates and sales only temporarily affect the prices of products.
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I think Shields are aimed at both first-time buyers and at experienced users who want a good, cheap carry pistol. In both cases, S&W has hopes they will buy more guns - more S&Ws. The first-time buyers generally aren't collectors, and don't even shoot that much: if the gun doesn't get shot much, it isn't going back to the factory for repair/customer service -- which must be very expensive for S&W when it happens.

Experienced gun owners aren't "collecting" plastic guns, but buy and sell them like tools, and generally shoot them a lot. IF (when) a new Shield 2.0 comes out, the experienced shooters (and some of the first-time buyers will become experienced shooters if they maintain interest) may just want that new version, particularly if it has some improved features. Win/Win for S&W.

The price Sig-Sauer is charging the Army for P320's is $208 per gun. That's with three magazines. The cost to make these things must be very low, and for the Army contract, there is no marketing needed! Think about what S&W is doing with the Shield -- the cost of the marketing per unit sold is at an all time low when they drop the price and everyone goes out and buys one or two!

And if people like them, and talk about them, they will sell even more of them later -- they kinda create their own demand, like VW Beetles in the 1960's, or iPhones today. Lots of gun people have more than one gun!

I just bought a Shield (for $240, counting the rebate). I would not have considered it at the old price point.

The real trend I see is more and more specialist guns, with specific desirable features - rather than one or two lines of pistols all the same. I think CNC machining, plastic frames, and modern production techniques diminished some of the economies of scale that used to make high production numbers of a given model very desirable. Maybe modern gun people like change, new ideas, and specific capabilities (think sleek single-stacks, RMR-ready full size pistols, colors, flat triggers, fiber optic sights, 9mm 1911's, new takes on the old snubby revolver such as the K6 and the Cobra, suppressors, etc.). There are definitely "fashions" in guns, too: .40 S&W and AR's are out for the moment; revolvers and single-stacks are back in; and the P320 and Shields are on fire.
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I saw this coming when Glock came out. Also the rediculous
price on AR type rifles. ( not counting the scare prices) These
guns are designed for anti personnel use. They are made on Hi
Tech equippment of Hi Tech materials. Each one is exactly the
same as the next. They have no class or character, they are
implements made to discharge a cartridge. I don't take much
smarts to figure that out. If you are buying as a investment you
would be better off investing in Beanie Babies. I'm not running
them down as functional weapons, it's just the truth. It's not
funny but like a previous poster said, I wouldn't be surprise to
see them bubble packed with a DVD instructions.
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If you want to feel good about what you paid for a gun then go to the Gander and gander at their gun prices. You will feel you got a deal on yours.
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I'm over it now! Thanks for the help fellas. I'll stay away from S&W if I want any purchase to keep a moderate resale value!
Are there any company's other than Glock that hold steady on their polymer gun prices?
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So you went out and bought a $400 shield. You bought a bottom of the market pistol at a bottom of the market price. I'm not saying the shield isn't a good gun I'm just saying it's cheap. Now S&W "devalues their product" by offering a $75 rebate and you're crying over the lost value and your lost "confidence in S&W pricing standards". We're talking about $75 here, about 18% off the original $399 price tag.

Ha! Get a grip people.
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So you went out and bought a $400 shield. You bought a bottom of the market pistol at a bottom of the market price. I'm not saying the shield isn't a good gun I'm just saying it's cheap. Now S&W "devalues their product" by offering a $75 rebate and you're crying over the lost value and your lost "confidence in S&W pricing standards". We're talking about $75 here, about 18% off the original $399 price tag.

Ha! Get a grip people.
Gun is going for around 230 now. Check your math
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I saw this coming when Glock came out. Also the rediculous
price on AR type rifles. ( not counting the scare prices) These
guns are designed for anti personnel use. They are made on Hi
Tech equippment of Hi Tech materials. Each one is exactly the
same as the next. They have no class or character, they are
implements made to discharge a cartridge. I don't take much
smarts to figure that out. If you are buying as a investment you
would be better off investing in Beanie Babies. I'm not running
them down as functional weapons, it's just the truth. It's not
funny but like a previous poster said, I wouldn't be surprise to
see them bubble packed with a DVD instructions.
I would make quite a few dollars on my polymer handguns if I sold them. Problem is too many people. It at market value and don't wait for a good deal to pop up.

$236 OTD for a shield 45? I could easily make $100+ today selling it locally.

$290 for a Glock 17 with 100 rounds of ammo and a pile of mags? I could easily make $200+ today selling it locally.

$365 OTD for a dpms oracle? I could easily make $100 selling it today locally

I've seen many more deals similar to these that I should have purchased and then flipped later, but eventually the money tree runs low
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Referring to the above there are a lot of people that don't know what a gun is selling retail for.
I have seen Heritage revolvers for sale by owners that their price is often at least $50 to $100 over retail gun store every day prices.
Like they say buyer beware!
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implements made to discharge a cartridge. .
The shelf of Model 15s at my LGS each one exactly the same as the next, look the same, made the same. They are implements made to discharge a cartridge. It was the same thing when they had a shelf full of 6906. Each exactly the same as the next. Each made to discharge a cartridge. Each one designed for anti personnel use. It's the only reason a cop would carry one.

A row of Glocks and a row of 1911s, Sigs, S&W whatever are no different.

Guns are just things, tools, objects. It's people who personify them, give them human trates, call them "she" and give them girl names. Like giving cute feelings to stuffed animals

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The shelf of Model 15s at my LGS each one exactly the same as the next, look the same, made the same. They are implements made to discharge a cartridge. It was the same thing when they had a shelf full of 6906. Each exactly the same as the next. Each made to discharge a cartridge. Each one designed for anti personnel use. It's the only reason a cop would carry one.

A row of Glocks and a row of 1911s, Sigs, S&W whatever are no different.

Guns are just things, tools, objects. It's people who personify them, give them human trates, call them "she" and give them girl names. Like giving cute feelings to stuffed animals

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So then are you saying that 30 years from now, a 2017 shield will sell for 2x-5x what it sold for new? Just like the 15's and 6906's are doing today?
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too bad gander is closing..

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However, I don't see a 30,000 dollar cars price being cut in half at the dealership. Nor does a decent car in good shape lose half its value in one year with low miles in excellent condition.
know how i know you don't know much about cars? check out any current s-class merc or 7 series bmw that is 12-36 months past the year model and compare the MSRP to the current dealer prices. anywhere from 40-60% cut depending on location, options, mileage and condition.

if you are truly looking at a S&W shield as an "investment vehicle" not only is it a depreciating asset but it is a fixed cost. so not only did you buy something designed to loose it's value but it doesn't even net you any cash flow. great investments not only appreciate but provides dividends and/or reoccuring income.

so there are 3 choices left: a) sell at market value, with a poor rate of return, b) hold for long (but use it, leveraging the opportunity cost of you holding on to it but enjoying it) - in the hopes you minimize your poor rate of return or c) don't even use it or shoot it - leave it as a paperweight in your safe - which effectively turns your "fixed cost" into a "sunk cost".

for another S&W forum member in need, im available to help you go through choice A so that you have more capital to invest in your favorite glock stocks
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Who cares? I bought mine to shoot and enjoy......As is they are worth nothing since I don't plan to sell any......If you buy guns for just investment purposes......You are in the wrong field.
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Are there any company's other than Glock that hold steady on their polymer gun prices?
You do understand that Glock holds steady on their commercial pricing in order to get $600 from your pocket so that they can sell the same guns to LE for $200, resulting in a high percentage of LE market share that drives the commercial sales,.......right?

I've never paid more than $300 for a used Glock. I don't know where your premise comes from.

And I never suggested that poly framed pistols were xxx,.....only that they were all $200 pistols with various levels of MSRP. I probably own fifty of them but bought them all at deep discount. Some call that shopping.
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You do understand that Glock holds steady on their commercial pricing in order to get $600 from your pocket so that they can sell the same guns to LE for $200, resulting in a high percentage of LE market share that drives the commercial sales,.......right?

I've never paid more than $300 for a used Glock. I don't know where your premise comes from.

And I never suggested that poly framed pistols were xxx,.....only that they were all $200 pistols with various levels of MSRP. I probably own fifty of them but bought them all at deep discount. Some call that shopping.
Does LE really get it for $200? Where can used Glocks be found for $300?? I'd have a few by now... I am finding them used (barely in their defense) for $500.

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In MA, for political, not financial reasons, used Glocks start at about $500.00 and go up. Gen 4 versions, if you can find them, start at about $700.00.

Not worth it to me, but there are people who pay those prices.

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Does LE really get it for $200? Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, but I'd have a few used Glocks if I found them for $300. I am finding them used (barely in their defenese) for $500.
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Believe me, I share your concern. As investment/collectible guns, 98% of plastic guns are the absolute pits. The "why" part is pretty simple: They can pump them out all day long for chump change while the market determines the selling price. There is no intrinsic value there. The value of plastic guns is based on real time market demand and usefulness only. It's why I've sworn off all plastic guns for other than immediate needs. In my case, that means cheap, lightweight "mouse guns" for pocket carry only. For everything else, from this point forward, it's all-metal guns only for me.

This sums it up in a nutshell, if you want lasting value buy wood and steel firearms keep them clean and cared for.
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In MA, for political, not financial reasons, used Glocks start at about $500.00 and go up. Gen 4 versions, if you can find them, start at about $700.00.

Not worth it to me, but there are people who pay those prices.
Further explanation for free-staters: We have a bizarre, twisted situation here in loony moonbat Massachusetts wherein Glocks are on our EOPSS approved handgun roster but are disapproved by our crazy AG's (5 of them in a row so far) under the AG's broad consumer regulation-making power. What that means is that cops can purchase them from dealers but we normal peons cannot. We have to get them by other means or buy Glocks that were made pre-the AG's regs. That senseless situation makes new (or newer) Glocks very expensive in Massachusetts and keeps older used ones at an artificially high value too.

But even Massachusetts Glock's make for a risky investment if you are one of the (apparently very few) people here who actually care to some degree about what they buy retaining its value. Political situations can change. Court decisions can also change the landscape. It's entirely possible that one day Glocks will go down to free state values in Massachusetts practically overnight (kind of like the $75 rebate just did for Shields).

I'll admit that I had to have one back in 2014 and paid the Massachusetts scalper price to get one. In fact, I ended up with three of them that year, all costing right around $700.00. I had my reasons... but just to be clear, I knew damn well that I was crazy overpaying for a bunch of cheap plastic moldings and stamped metal. I had no illusions that I'd ever recover my "investment" later if/when I decided to sell.
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So then are you saying that 30 years from now, a 2017 shield will sell for 2x-5x what it sold for new? Just like the 15's and 6906's are doing today?
No. According to my LGS they're only worth around $300 give or take a few depending on condition.

I'm saying that you'd be crazy to pay 2x - 5x more for a tool

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You do understand that Glock holds steady on their commercial pricing in order to get $600 from your pocket so that they can sell the same guns to LE for $200, resulting in a high percentage of LE market share that drives the commercial sales,.......right?

I've never paid more than $300 for a used Glock. I don't know where your premise comes from.

And I never suggested that poly framed pistols were xxx,.....only that they were all $200 pistols with various levels of MSRP. I probably own fifty of them but bought them all at deep discount. Some call that shopping.
If I said this it might get construed as unpatriotic in the free market and if you consider the fact they are using the weapon to protect the public glock is just capitalizing on an opportunity.LMAO
I also love the comments, I can get glocks for 300. Anomalies should stereotype the value from the poor soul who fell on hard times and stumbled into such a wise bargain hunter.

I also love when guys don't read the whole thread and comment on my car comparison as well...I wasn't the one who made that comparison initially. Then they make a comparison to a 3 year old car....gesh!

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know how i know you don't know much about cars? check out any current s-class merc or 7 series bmw that is 12-36 months past the year model and compare the MSRP to the current dealer prices. anywhere from 40-60% cut depending on location, options, mileage and condition.

if you are truly looking at a S&W shield as an "investment vehicle" not only is it a depreciating asset but it is a fixed cost. so not only did you buy something designed to loose it's value but it doesn't even net you any cash flow. great investments not only appreciate but provides dividends and/or reoccuring income.

so there are 3 choices left: a) sell at market value, with a poor rate of return, b) hold for long (but use it, leveraging the opportunity cost of you holding on to it but enjoying it) - in the hopes you minimize your poor rate of return or c) don't even use it or shoot it - leave it as a paperweight in your safe - which effectively turns your "fixed cost" into a "sunk cost".

for another S&W forum member in need, im available to help you go through choice A so that you have more capital to invest in your favorite glock stocks
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Get used to it, happens all the time.

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I'll keep buying all cheap S&W I can, so far have (5) trouble free guns. I had more troubles with overpriced glocks than with S&W.
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Get used to it, happens all the time.
Yeah, this thread has really gone off the rails with this mistaken notion that someone has actually advocated buying plastic guns as investment pieces bought to yield a profit. No people! Chill out! It's exactly the opposite!

Another thing: The term "investment" can mean different things... and in the context of typical (non-dealer) firearms accumulating/collecting, it generally means a simple, reliable, physical store of wealth... not speculating or trying to produce an income or profit. In fact, many would argue that would be illegal in a strict reading of Federal law.

Most of us are happier if our guns don't lose value just sitting in the safe. Yes, with use and wear (especially excessive wear & tear), any gun can lose value. Some will also rise in value over time. But what we are seeing here is plastic guns nosediving in value not even accounting for use or wear & tear... and that is a little disturbing to some of us. But it really shouldn't have been entirely unexpected given how cheap they are to make.

I was one of the damn fools who bought a Shield .45 just a few days before the first hints of the rebate hit the Interwebs. Do I feel I got the Big Zingaroo from S&W and somewhat from my dealer too? Yes, I do. Turns out I threw away a C-note (or more as it turns out) for nothing and I can't afford to do that sort of thing too often on my pitiful retirement income. So lesson learned the hard way for me: No more plastic ever again unless it's something I really, really need.

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Then you are not a very astute buyer. I bought my Shield when it retailed for $419 and got a sale price adjustment of $385 for it. I've had it for several years now and have thoroughly enjoyed it. Was it overpriced when I bought it? No, otherwise I would not have bought it. If I thought it was overpriced and bought it anyway, I'd foolish. The fact that it can be bought some places for $239 now has nothing to do with paying $385 for it when I did. I certainly got more than $150 worth of enjoyment out of it.

If you only think that you are a wise shopper only when you get something at the rock bottom price, good luck. You'll be sitting on your money scouring the ads rather than shooting.
This^^^

Only I would add life is short, I'll be enjoying the gun range with my purchases, while the next guy is worried about paying too much. I can make more money, it's time I cannot replace.
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Years ago, I dabbled in old Corvettes. Bought at least a dozen over a period of several years. Sold every one of them at a profit. Sometimes a very good profit. Also bought a brand new 98 convertible when they first appeared. $50K give or take a bit. 4-5 years later when she decided she wanted something else, the Vette brought about $20K in trade value. Same thing with guns. If you expect your guns to hold their value, buy older, collectable guns. Don't shoot them, as it may detract from the value.
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I also love the comments, I can get glocks for 300. Anomalies should stereotype the value from the poor soul who fell on hard times and stumbled into such a wise bargain hunter!
Not anomalies. A typical used glock goes for around $350 depending on accessories and such. The only new Glock I ever bought was the 43. All others were used and between $300 - $350

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Yeah, this thread has really gone off the rails with this mistaken notion that someone has actually advocated buying plastic guns as investment pieces bought to yield a profit. No people! Chill out! It's exactly the opposite!

Another thing: The term "investment" can mean different things... and in the context of typical (non-dealer) firearms accumulating/collecting, it generally means a simple, reliable, physical store of wealth... not speculating or trying to produce an income or profit. In fact, many would argue that would be illegal in a strict reading of Federal law.

Most of us are happier if our guns don't lose value just sitting in the safe. Yes, with use and wear (especially excessive wear & tear), any gun can lose value. Some will also rise in value over time. But what we are seeing here is plastic guns nosediving in value not even accounting for use or wear & tear... and that is a little disturbing to some of us. But it really shouldn't have been entirely unexpected given how cheap they are to make.

I was one of the damn fools who bought a Shield .45 just a few days before the first hints of the rebate hit the Interwebs. Do I feel I got the Big Zingaroo from S&W and somewhat from my dealer too? Yes, I do. Turns out I threw away a C-note (or more as it turns out) for nothing and I can't afford to do that sort of thing too often on my pitiful retirement income. So lesson learned the hard way for me: No more plastic ever again unless it's something I really, really need.
I'm not sure a rebate for 3 months on 3 models constitutes a nose dive in prices. What happens on July 1st when the rebate is over? Is it all of a sudden a price hike? It's simply a sale, almost everyone has one every now and then.

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I'll keep buying all cheap S&W I can, so far have (5) trouble free guns. I had more troubles with overpriced glocks than with S&W.
That's far from the norm-- what kind of troubles?
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I paid 600+ for mine, now look


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You get what you pay for. Buy a cheap plastic gun and you have not invested in value, you have invested in utility.

If you use it to defend you life and home you made a great investment. If it stays in your sock drawer you have still invested in peace of mind.

If you try to sell it or trade it in for a quality firearm you will not have made a good investment.

Simple economics.

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The only thing I have ever purchased wherein I am watchful and concerned about the potential resale value is my home. I'm not counting my investment in my government pension fund, as the only active management I did of that fund was to slowly shift more money into safer funds as I approached retirement. I can understand how purchase of stock is always with the resale value in mind. Other than that, I buy stuff to use and enjoy. As someone who watched a $25 bar t shirt with the tag still on it go for $2 at a garage sale, I can imagine that most others are of the same mindset.

I have some pistols that have appreciated nicely in value over the years. I carry the most profitable one (a four figure gain) nearly every day. Others have held steady or decreased, but that doesn't bother me. I bought them because I liked them.
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Sumpin is up with the Shields, in particular. Market forces are pushing prices down, in general, but it's more than that: S&W is pushing out excess stock, probably in anticipation of a Shield 2.0.

And if you like your Shield -- and I am enjoying my new one, and thinking about how I can use it, to the point of maybe leaving my 642 on the shelf except for the quickest trips to the ATM -- you might buy another S&W pistol!

3d Gen prices are more interesting -- they bounce around. After a lot of 5906's hit the used police market over the past couple of years, bringing prices down into the low $300's, I think they are starting to go up in price - despite the general market conditions. Condition is everything, though.
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Sumpin is up with the Shields, in particular. Market forces are pushing prices down, in general, but it's more than that: S&W is pushing out excess stock, probably in anticipation of a Shield 2.0.

And if you like your Shield -- and I am enjoying my new one, and thinking about how I can use it, to the point of maybe leaving my 642 on the shelf except for the quickest trips to the ATM -- you might buy another S&W pistol!

3d Gen prices are more interesting -- they bounce around. After a lot of 5906's hit the used police market over the past couple of years, bringing prices down into the low $300's, I think they are starting to go up in price - despite the general market conditions. Condition is everything, though.
Then why wouldn't they do that with the M&Ps when 2.0 came out? Or wait and have a sale on all right before all new 2.0 come out? And is there going to be a 2.0 SDVE? Cause they're on sale too!

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