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Old 06-17-2017, 10:59 AM
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The other day at the range my 45 shield jammed on the second shot. It buried the nose of the bullet into the ramp. To clear it all I had to do was pull the slide back slightly and release, the gun was then in battery. This happened again on the next magazine (same mag) 2 times in a row. Then operated flawlessly for the next 60 rounds. The gun and magazine were clean. The gun has had around 500 rounds through it previous to this day. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Old 06-17-2017, 11:02 AM
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that will fade as you put more rounds through it, mine has stopped doing that after about 600 or so rounds, if you carry for defense, I'd avoid carrying it until it has stopped failing to feed

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Old 06-17-2017, 11:05 AM
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I have the same problem, not good for my daily care. I'm disappointed, it shoots nice.
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Old 06-17-2017, 11:41 AM
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When I first bought my shield I experienced some of the same nose diving. The rounds were hanging up on the sharp ridge at the bottom of the lower feed ramp. I polished everything by hand paying close attention to that ridge. I've put about 500+ rounds through it since the polish job with no issues. I'm not suggesting to anyone that they modify anything on their pistol. Just passing along what I did that so far seems to have worked for me.
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Old 06-17-2017, 02:25 PM
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I'm going to polish the bottom of the ramp, but I think the problem is the magazine. I clean them every time and usually wipe the follower with silicone and wipe dry. I have done this on all my magazines for the past 30 years, with no problems until now. I do believe that it may be the reason the bullet is nosediving into the ramp. I am going to try cleaning and leaving dry. Which leaves me with a question. What should I be cleaning the magazine with?
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Old 06-17-2017, 02:41 PM
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I use mineral spirits for cleaning magazines. As far as ammunition are you using factory new or reloads also are the bullets lead or jacketed.
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Old 06-17-2017, 02:48 PM
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I had the same problem with my Shield .45, and it was still happening at 1900 rounds. I cured it by doing two things at once, so I'm not sure which one of them solved the problem. I suggest doing the easier one first, which is lightly polishing the lower feed ramp and the vertical wall area just below it where the bullet tip hangs up. I rummaged around in my auto stuff and found some "Turtle Wax Polishing Compound Light to Medium Cleaner" paste. I lightly rubbed in a small amount of it with a cotton cleaning patch, and buffed it off thoroughly with a second patch. I used a Q-tip to get any remaining residue out from the crevices around the ramp. To give the ramp an added degree of slickness, I repeated the process with some "Prestone High Protection" synthetic liquid wax. Again, I did some heavy buffing to ensure there was't enough wax left on the ramp to build up on the bullet tip. The result was a ramp that was smoother and slicker than before.

You don't have to use the specific products I mentioned above, (they just happened to be on hand at the time), but you should use ones fairly low in abrasiveness. I know we all like to use our Dremels whenever we can, but I recommend hand polishing.

The second thing I did was more radical, because it's considered by a lot of gun enthusiasts to be a no-no. I very lightly lubed the insides of my magazine tubes. The goal was to "unstick" the followers so they wouldn't hang up part way to the top, thus causing a failure to feed. I have seven semi-auto handguns and I'd never even considered lubing a magazine until then, but I was so thoroughly peeved at the continuing failures to feed with my fully broken-in Shield, that I was willing to try anything. You should only try this if the ramp polishing fails.

I first cleaned them with Mil-Comm's water-based gun cleaner which is designed to prep surfaces for their TW25B synthetic gun grease. I then applied a very light coating of TW25B grease to the insides of my magazine tubes and then buffed it off, leaving the thinnest possible coat. I did the same with the sides of the followers where they contact the magazine walls. I chose TW25B because it only requires a very thin application to be effective, it doesn't migrate, and it doesn't attract much residue. As a result, the followers slid up and down much more easily than before.

I since have fired 290 rounds, all of which loaded and ejected perfectly. I recently cleaned my 6-round magazine and will check how it functions unlubed on next week's range visit. Interestingly, I found very little residue inside. I'll wait on cleaning my seven-rounders, because they can be a hassle to reassemble. (There are several threads devoted to reassembly of the seven-round magazines. I advise reading those before you take your seven-rounders apart.)

These solvable issues aside, the Shield .45 is a great gun. It is amazingly accurate and enjoyable to shoot. Now that its reliability issues have been solved (knock on wood!), it is giving my wonderful M&P 40 compact some serious competition to become my everyday carry.
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Old 06-17-2017, 03:10 PM
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I clean and lube mine. Spray with CLP and swab dry leaving only the residue for lube properties. Ive never had these issues but I do this to my new mags while going over the gun. I often find manufacturing shrapnel in them (but not the S&W's). Sometime you may even find a spring in backwards which will always cause this problem.....it happens

Seating the rounds in the mag when you load? Gently tap the mag on something firm to seat the rounds to the back.
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Old 06-17-2017, 03:36 PM
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All factory aammo. It happened twice with federal hs 230grain and once with winchester 230 ball target.
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Old 06-18-2017, 10:14 AM
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I feel for you and others who have feeding problems with the new 45 Shield. I offer the following only to share my attempts at fixing the feeding trouble, not to bash S&W 45 Shields in any way - I still love them!

Here's my take on it:
I bought three of them on April 1st because of the rebate and because my local LE dealer just got them in that morning. They were all packed on 11/15/16, according to the serial number labels but not consecutives (HDV, HDZ, HHA prefixes).

A week later, after cleaning them and lubing them lightly, I took them to the range and fired all three. I fired a mixture of American Eagle 230, Remington UMC 230, Federal HST 230 factory ammo.
All three 45 Shields failed to feed on the 2nd, 3rd, and/or 4th round in both the 6 & 7 round mags that came with each gun. Sometimes they randomly cycled and closed on an empty chamber. They did it on all three types of ammo. The bullets would be nose-dived in the magazine or caught nose-down on the bottom ridge of the lower feed ramp although the slide had cycled far enough back to have engaged the rear of the cartridge as it should have, and the slide stopped right there every time it misfed. To clear it, you simply pulled the slide back (slingshot) just enough to allow the bullet to pop up and it would feed smoothly into the chamber, as it should. When the slide randomly cycled and closed on an empty chamber, you had to manually cycle it to feed the next round. It sure seemed to be a magazine problem at that point.

I returned home, inspected, cleaned and lubed them and found nothing out of the ordinary for such a beautiful piece of engineering. The barrel ramps were nicely finished, chambers were nice and smooth, and the lower feed ramps were nice and smooth (with the small ridge on the bottom of the lower feed ramp that matches flush with the magazine lip).

I disassembled and inspected all six mags, wiped the insides clean & dry (they were hardly dirty at all) and wiped the followers, noting that all the little metal slide stop shelves were fully inserted. I wiped the springs and re-assembled the mags, careful to keep them matched to the guns they came with. I was ready for my next range trip.

The 2nd trip, I took along my old 6'4" 325 pound shooting buddy who knows more about S&W's than anyone else I talk to and he brought his well-shot 45 Shield that he bought in September, 2016. According to him, it had never failed after hundreds of rounds of all kinds of ammo including his own reloads.

All three of my Shields failed again the same way with the same ammo. To eliminate the limp wrist possibility, I asked him to shoot all three of mine while I shot his. As you would expect, my three Shields failed for him and his shot 100% perfect in my hands with my assorted ammo. So, limp-wristing was not the cause, nor was it the ammo. Then, we marked and swapped magazines with the same disappointing results for my three Shields while we couldn't make his fail. We fired about three hundred rounds total and the failure to feed and empty chamber problems persisted with my three guns.

He knew a gunsmith friend who wanted to buy all three 45 Shields and fix them (his way) so, I later sold them to him. He was still working on them as of a couple weeks ago, confident that he could "fluff and buff" them into reliability.

Well, I missed my disappointingly unreliable 45 Shields so much that I bought two more new ones on May 16th, which were packed on 2/13/17 with serial prefixes HWW. I prepped them as before, gathered up my ammo and rushed to the range for the 3rd time and took my "big bear" S&W expert buddy along. Again, he took his trusty 45 Shield and his own stash of ammo. The first new Shield failed exactly like the previous three: nose-dived cartridges, usually the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round, and random closing on an empty chamber for both me and him. I shot 50 or so rounds of my ammo assortment in his and it was, as before, 100% reliable. Do you think I was disappointed?

So, I shot my second new 45 Shield and....WOW! It was 100% reliable in every way with both round nose FMJ 230 and HST hollow point 230's. I even shot some of his reloads with 100% reliability! This is how they all should have been.

I was determined to find the cause of the failures to feed in my other Shield. Obviously, it was not the magazines' fault. These new mags even had the new, grooved followers (to prevent mag drops) in them. Neither was it limp-wristing or any visually noticeable defect. However, I noticed that my buddy's well-shot 45 Shield slide racked more smoothly than my new-but-failed Shield. Mine sort of stacked up at the end of its cycle when it was far enough back to engage the slide stop and beyond. So, I swapped recoil spring assemblies in my two Shields. No change in either gun - the failing Shield continued to intermittently fail and the good one just kept spitting out anything I fed it. I put the recoil springs back as originally made. Then, I swapped my failing Shield's recoil spring with my buddy's old recoil spring and we fired both guns.

His old 45 Shield continued to function 100% with my suspect recoil spring assembly. BUT, my failing Shield suddenly became 100% reliable with his OLD recoil spring, feeding and functioning just like I wished! We fired about 50 rounds of mixed ammo through each gun with no failures in either. We then restored both recoil spring assembles back to the right guns.

So, where does that lead me?

First, I believe that there is some type of tolerance issue with the new 45 Shields that randomly crops up in some guns. They seem to be very sensitive to this failure to feed issue according to this forum's previous posts about the problem.

Second, as I recall, all my unreliable 45 Shields seemed to be not very smooth in manually slowly compressing the slide in that they all seemed to stack up near the fully-compressed, rear-most position. It would be my guess, based on the fact that putting my friend's old recoil spring assembly in my new intermittent Shield which caused it to become reliable, along with the fact that swapping the two newest recoil spring assemblies did not correct the bad Shield, that there is a sensitivity to the recoil spring assemblies in some 45 Shields.

Whether it's the recoil spring assemblies or the tolerance variance between 45 Shields or shooting them in for several hundred rounds or a combination of all three, I do not know at this point. But, I can say with some level of confidence that some 45 Shields seem to be infallible (as my friend's was right out of the box and as my second new one is right out of the box) and some 45 Shields seem to be very finicky.

I have extensively researched this nose-dived cartridge mis-feed problem on this and other forums and found numerous posts by M&P and Shield owners that go back several years. Some of the owners have reportedly returned their guns to the factory three or four times for the same problem and their reports as to what the factory did to eliminate the failures varies all over the board from polishing, changing locking blocks, slides, barrels, recoil springs, etc. with no particular fix standing out as a pattern. So, the factory (according to the forum posters) keeps throwing a variety of parts at these problem guns until either the problem or the owner finally disappears.

I really hope that S&W takes these kinds of complaints and experiences more seriously so they can finally get to the bottom of this reliability issue once and for all and resolve it. I have sent a copy of this post to my S&W factory rep so they can keep trying to isolate the cause of these mis-feeds and live up to their great reputation with the 45 Shields.

I hope this long story helps those unfortunates like me who have or will buy new 45 Shields and experience this mis-feed issue in their new guns. Guys, it's probably not YOUR fault. ;-o
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Old 06-18-2017, 01:00 PM
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Great post. Super information.

Ill throw in a monkey wrench

I have two (45's), purchased same time from Whittakers on 4/01

HDZ dated 11/10/16
HUC dated 12/15/16

So basically I have one out of your original HDZ batch. Sorry to say that both have performed relatively flawless.
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I really hope that S&W takes these kinds of complaints and experiences more seriously so they can finally get to the bottom of this reliability issue once and for all and resolve it. I have sent a copy of this post to my S&W factory rep so they can keep trying to isolate the cause of these mis-feeds and live up to their great reputation with the 45 Shields.

I hope this long story helps those unfortunates like me who have or will buy new 45 Shields and experience this mis-feed issue in their new guns. Guys, it's probably not YOUR fault. ;-o
Holy carp! Four of the five Shield .45s you bought suffered from nosedives. If 80% of all Shield .45s that have been sold had this problem, one would think that S&W would be forced to recall them. I don't think that's the case, so you really hit the nosedive lottery. I'm glad to see you haven't given up on the .45, because when it's working right, it's an excellent gun. You might want to try the simple remedies I used to solve this problem (see my post above). You have nothing to lose, and they could bring an end your nosedive miseries.

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Holy carp! Four of the five Shield .45s you bought ......
He rolled the dice one more time (as of thursday) so 4 out of 6.

Im with you thats crazy. Im anxious to hear if the new 6th one performs well.

Got him a 9er along with it...
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Well, I finally got a chance to shoot my sixth new Shield 45 and my new Shields 40 and 9mm today. I was pleasantly surprised and happy with the results.

I first shot the new 9 and it was flawless. Then, I shot the 40 expecting much more recoil but it was only a mild increase at best. (I'm a long-time 40 shooter so I may be more recoil tolerant than the average shooter.)

Finally, I took out my new 45 Shield and expected it to nosedive on feeding just like the previous four did (the fifth one fed fine but had a very bad trigger because the factory ground a groove into the sear actuator on the trigger bar, rather than keeping a continuous smooth surface, so the trigger would stack up and stick in that groove just before let off. You had to press extra hard to overcome the groove and release the sear. No good and not a quick fix.)

But, much to my pleasant surprise, my sixth new 45 Shield is everything that the previous five were not: It was totally reliable, super accurate and had a nice crisp trigger that measures about 6 pounds. What a relief!

Of course, I only fired about 30 rounds through each gun so I have a lot more shooting to do to prove them worthy of carry but we're off to a great start.

For those who love 9mm, I can see why. It's really pleasant to shoot with very low recoil. However, I prefer a 40 and the slight increase in recoil in my experience is worth the additional power. Of course, the 9 gives you that very important extra shot so it's really a toss up and depends on your individual preference as to which is the best for you.

The Shield 45 is really a great gun, although I ran into my share of disappointments with it before this one. I think the Shield 45 has the best overall feel to it compared to the 9 and 40 and it's the softest shooting 45 I have ever fired recently (1911's, Glock 30's, Springfield XD Mod 2's and several others).

I'll update my experience further after I shoot the 45 more extensively but it was worth the effort to get one that lives up to the quality level one should expect to get from S&W every time you open a box.
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Thats good stuff right there NoNuthin^^^^^^^^^^^




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He rolled the dice one more time (as of thursday) so 4 out of 6.

Im with you thats crazy.
He said....as he worked day/night shift both in order to justify ordering a couple more before the rebate ends

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I went to the range yesterday and fired 75 rounds of American Eagle 230 and 50 rounds of Winchester Service Grade 230 from my Shield .45. Two of my magazines were freshly cleaned with the lube removed, and the other two were still lubed. It didn't matter. All rounds loaded and fired perfectly. Total consecutive round count without a failure to feed is now 415. I'm still not sure whether the lubed mags or the polished feed ramp cured my nosedive problem, but it appears to be gone and I am a happy camper.
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Having experienced such frustrating challenges with new guns, I now accelerate breaking in of any new gun before firing. Custom gunsmiths do similar operations to their high dollar guns before they go out the door to guarantee reliability. They also shoot them more than one or two shots to check basic mechanical function. Less expensive mass (Massachusetts) manufactured guns like the M&P line apparently cannot financially justify these extra steps while staying in the mid-to-low end of the price market. I am all for preventing such problems rather than correcting them, or using the warranty process.

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I've put several hundred rounds through my 45 Shield. The only hangup I had was with some handloads with lead SWC's. Other than that it eats everything I put through it including handloads with lead RN bullets.
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I have put 300 rounds through mine now. I just got it at the end of last week. Luckily I haven't had any feed issues and it is awesome shooter.
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I have one of the first .45 Shields released......perfect though 650 rounds, deadly accurate, soft shooting and a hoot to shoot.
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I had the same issue with my shield.45 . It wen away completely after I had put about 650 rounds through it went away and all is working great now. Hope you can work out the kinks, Best of luck!
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Update on my sixth new 45 Shield:
After remarking on its crisp, light trigger and its outstanding accuracy, I fired 150 flawless rounds of American Eagle and Remington UMC 230 grain fmj through it.
But, when I fed it Hornady Critical Duty, Federal HST and Golden Saber duty ammo, it nosedived randomly about once every other magazine. I shot six different mags, 6 and 7 rounders, all with new grooved followers, so it wasn't mag related. My 350 pound beefy-handed friend also fired it with two similar nosedives.
In my opinion, these 45 Shields are too ammo sensitive and too unreliable with full-power duty ammo to be depended upon. Therefore, I sold it today (another loss) and I'm done with them. I'll stick with my flawlessly dependable 40 Shields for now.
I'm glad some of you have good luck with your 45 Shields but I'm way past giving S&W the benefit of the doubt on these jamomatics.
Nor, do I intend to spend more than the cost of the gun to "shoot it in" until the problem goes away (maybe?).
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Had my shield 45 for a year now and about 1500 rounds downrange with never a misfeed or FTF. I would suggest as funny as this may sound to backslap your mag's before you insert..this will cause the rounds to point upward as they should (just incase your mag follower is somehow binding).....
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Thanks for the suggestion but as a many years experienced shooter, instructor, armorer and LEO I am reasonably certain that I didn't overlook those kinds of techniques and I exhausted many others.
Believe me, I wanted my six 45 Shields to work.
I'm not saying that 500+ rounds wouldn't have solved the issue but I'm not willing to put that kind of money into shooting duty ammo to prove a $350 Shield.
Besides, I never had to do anything like that with my Glocks, Sigs, XD's, Colts or other S&W's.
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I dunno. Mine, like most of em, has no problems at all with operating using any and all factory ammo.
I have somewhere around a thousand rounds through it at this point I suppose. It worked fine when new and works even better now.

I even have had zero problems feeding shot shells which I often carry in the deserts. No issues, I just make sure to tap the mags to seat the rounds to the rear of the mag when loading up. I almost always top off the mag after chambering one round and then don't mess with it for two weeks or so if I don't need to zap any snakes or some such. Then I put a couple mags through it and refresh the ammo.

My usual load is 2 shot shells and the rest 230g Gold Dots. Zero problems.
Great pistol. Reliable, accurate, effective, concealable, comfortable to carry and to shoot. What's not to like ?

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Sorry it didn't work out for Nonuthin. After cleaning/lubing my Shield .45's magazines and polishing its lower feed ramp, (see my posts #7 and #16 above) I have had only one failure to feed in the last 1200 rounds, and that was while I was shooting one-handed, so it may have been my fault. Since then, it has gone 590 consecutive rounds without a failure of any kind, including some one-handed shooting. I now feel comfortable enough to use it as my EDC.

Ironically, my Shield 9 is still having failures to eject at 5300 rounds. I've done all I can to correct this problem, including sending it back to S&W. I've given it every chance to prove itself, and it has failed. Since it's proven to be too unreliable to be a self-defense pistol, there's no longer any point in taking it to the range. Now it will become a last-choice backup gun for home defense.
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that will fade as you put more rounds through it, mine has stopped doing that after about 600 or so rounds, if you carry for defense, I'd avoid carrying it until it has stopped failing to feed.
See, this would be a problem for me.

I pay x-hundreds of dollars for a carry pistol, I expect it to perform right out of the box. I've never bought into this school of thought about "breaking in" a brand new handgun. I break in new shoes, and maybe holsters...that's to be expected. Pistols? No. I shouldn't have to plan on just sort of working around feed problems until the pistol "decides" it's gonna work right.

I've never had to break in a Glock. Or a Colt 1911. Never.

And how are you going to know when it's stopped failing to feed? Might run several hundred rounds through it at the range and it works just fine...then you actually need it to defend yourself and...uh-oh!

I do have a .45 Shield, by the way. It's an okay pistol, but I think I'm gonna sell it. Go back to carrying a Glock...which is what I was carrying before I got the Shield.

Then again, maybe the best all around solution is just to start carrying a revolver again.
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One suggestion from the Rookie. I do not have an M&P, but did have a Rem R1. (Traded it in part for a 625) When it was new I had some challenges feeding. I saw a blurb on the internet that suggested leaving the magazine full to "work the spring" (paraphrasing for lack of memory on the topic), so I stored the magazines with 5 rounds in both of them. I ended up not shooting the R1 for several months and when I did, it shot flawlessly for the several hundred rounds I put through it before trading it. I was using 200 SWC reloads. Initially failure to feed happened with the 200 SWC reloads I made and a white colored box of Winchester 230 ball ammo. (my reloads were all tested in a Go-NoGo gauge, so they were pretty good as far as size specifications.)

If you have not done so, you might try storing the mag with 5-7 rounds in it to see if it helps. I would be very careful of manipulating the feed ramp or any surface. From my reading, it's the biggest mistake many owners make with 1911's (I know it's an M&P, but...)

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Then again, maybe the best all around solution is just to start carrying a revolver again.
Well, revolvers are generally reliable...and they aren't ammo sensitive...but when one does fail, it's not usually something you can clear quickly and easily. Not to mention that a semi-auto reloads much quicker...at least for me. I know there are some guys who can use a speed loader as fast as swapping out a magazine, but I'm pretty much a fumble fingers with them.

I've had some 1911s that required a break-in period...Kimbers were the worst...and Kahr advises shooting 200 rounds in their pistols before carrying them for SD (if I recall correctly.) Most polymer pistols haven't had or needed that much of a break-in period but the usual advice is to shoot them a couple of hundred rounds before carrying them, just as a precaution. I grant you it shouldn't be necessary...I think of a car, which is a much more complex machine, and we expect them to run from the first turn of the key, so why shouldn't we expect the same from a gun?
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Well, revolvers are generally reliable...and they aren't ammo sensitive...but when one does fail, it's not usually something you can clear quickly and easily. Not to mention that a semi-auto reloads much quicker...at least for me. I know there are some guys who can use a speed loader as fast as swapping out a magazine, but I'm pretty much a fumble fingers with them.

I've had some 1911s that required a break-in period...Kimbers were the worst...and Kahr advises shooting 200 rounds in their pistols before carrying them for SD (if I recall correctly.) Most polymer pistols haven't had or needed that much of a break-in period but the usual advice is to shoot them a couple of hundred rounds before carrying them, just as a precaution. I grant you it shouldn't be necessary...I think of a car, which is a much more complex machine, and we expect them to run from the first turn of the key, so why shouldn't we expect the same from a gun?
Revolvers are not "generally reliable" -with all due respect- good revolvers are very HIGHLY reliable, and with minimal maintenance. (Need to field-strip a revolver for cleaning? Just swing open the cylinder!) Failures are extremely rare with trained revolver shooters. In 40+ years of carrying, competing with, and shooting revolvers, I have never had a single failure. As long as one smartly punches out the empty brass when shooting a J-frame snub-nose whose ejector rod is shorter than the brass cases, a revolver will function and accept reloads. (But the whole issue of reloading is a tiresome moot point and a dead horse argument for civilians, anyway.)

New automobiles, according to many experienced mechanics and at least some manufacturers, benefit from an "easy does it" sort of driving for the first few thousand miles, as various parts wear in and get seated. Yes the car runs from the start, but it is not ready to provide peak performance. So why should a firearm be different? Guns leave the factory after receiving far less personal attention than they did only a couple of generations ago. Now that sort of attention is "performance shop" work!

The break-in period is going to be highly individualistic depending on each shooter.

For the most part, I've found the major break in period for semi-autos seems to be 50 to 75 rounds (wherein firing issues should be expected), followed by a "smoothing in" period of several hundred rounds where you learn the gun and the gun learns you. In all of this, leaving magazines loaded, leaving the unloaded gun stored with the slide locked open, dry-firing, and frequent cleanings, seem to speed up the process, as can the use of a lot of plain ol' fmj ammunition. Just IMHO.
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I'm sure you probably know this, but S&W has issued a new slightly modified follower for the Shield 45 magazines. Most who have called have received them, and most seem to report improved function. I have owned three of the Shield 45's, the first and third of which I still own and use. I have had basically no issues with any of them which lasted beyond reasonable break in firing. The second I sold to a friend who fired the first rounds from it, and he experienced some difficulty with feeding. I also then fired the gun and did not experience any issues, but I'm not certain that I fired enough rounds to give it a good try. He also fired a good many rounds without issue. He called S&W who sent him two new followers and as far as I know he has not had further issues.

I also found in my own experience that there is very little extra room inside the magazines for the .45 ACP round. This contributes to difficulties both when loading the mags as well as when firing IF the rounds are not kept all the way to the rear wall of the mag when loading. It was and still is my habit to smack the rear wall of any semi auto mag that I've loaded against the heel of my hand to make certain all rounds are fully to the rear of the mag. In the Shield 45, a round not fully seated to the rear will allow the tip of the bullet to touch the front wall of the mag and it will bind in it's travel up or down and create an issue. Smacking the mag to seat the rounds seems to alleviate this problem. Any resistance while the rounds are being fed will slow the feeding process and tend to tip the bullet down at the front, resulting in either that round or one above it to hang up on the feed ramp. Since I discovered this fact, I have had no failures to feed, and neither of my two guns mags have the newer replacement followers. I have fired over a thousand rounds through my first Shield 45 and over 750 rounds through the third, purchased during the last half of 2017. I am fully confident in each of these guns and I carry one or the other every day. It's my considered opinion that the problems being discussed here are in large part the result of a magazine issue that can be addressed. I am very thankful not to have had these issues. I also believe that the over all cartridge length may contribute to this issue, especially if you are a handloader. I have fired several different brands of FMJ rounds, all of which you would immediately recognize with good results. I have also fired Speer Gold Dot 230 grain hollowpoints as well as some older Remington Golden Saber 230 grain rounds, and some second generation Federal HydraShok 230 grain rounds through both my guns without issue. I am carrying the the Speer Gold Dots in each of my guns with confidence.

I have no other ideas to suggest or other recommendations at this point. I sincerly hope all of you who reported issues get them satisfactorily resolved and soon. Confidence in an EDC handgun is paramount!
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Wow. This thread really has me thinking about not getting the Shield in 45 acp. I have the 9mm Shield that has performed perfectly and have been thinking about adding a 45 acp. Seems like a lot of hit or miss on the 45s.
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I bought one for myself and one for my dad late last year. We haven't had any problems with ours. They're quite nice.
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Wow. This thread really has me thinking about not getting the Shield in 45 acp.
Yea, dont think like that. this thread is the very few that didnt perform!!!

Think about the half million(sic) or so that DO perform!!!
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I have one. I shoot it a lot. I have had no problems. I “palm-slap” all magazines to fully seat the rounds to the rear on all my semi-autos. I always have.

If in doubt, buy one. They’re great pistols with excellent triggers and above average accuracy.
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Wow. This thread really has me thinking about not getting the Shield in 45 acp. I have the 9mm Shield that has performed perfectly and have been thinking about adding a 45 acp. Seems like a lot of hit or miss on the 45s.
Go back and look at the thread carefully. You're reacting to pretty much only three people complaining a year ago. Far more people reporting they are very happy. I pretty much threw everything "NoNothin" said about the Shield 45 a long time ago (nobody buys 8 of the same gun with same issue unless something else is going on). If the Shield 45 had the kind of issues he claims, this thread would have exploded in the last year, but it never happened. In fact, if you look closely at post #26, SWSIG reported his Shield 45 has performed well, while his Shield 9mm is problematic. Go figure.

The point is, there will always be tiny percentage of issues with any manufactured product; but don't be mislead. Since I've been lurking here, I can tell you the Shield 45 has seen about 90-95% positive posts with only a handful of members who had unresolved problems. Everyone else is thrilled with it and singing its praises. I'm just sayin' when you read these threads make sure you really understand what you're looking at.
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You guys that complain about " the gun didn't feed with X ammo"
Need to get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ps I feel better now.
You all are spoiled.
We would get a gun, then spend the same amount with a smith
so it would feed A specific HP round [also tune the mags].
Now you bad mouth a gun when your gun won't fees SOME hp rounds.
After much testing , reading and yes my googlefoo is Strong.
I will use flat nosed fmj,hard cast or plated for my short barrel <3in.
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How I wish Speer /CCI would bring back there 45acp Combat Match.
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Actually, it’s a lot of “no problems” and a few people with issues, some of which are believable.

When the Shield 9 first came out, this forum and others had many “awful problems” threads. I’m fairly sure the folks selling stainless steel guide rods did quite well off of the panic. I got one of those first Shield 9's, have shot it a lot and never had a problem, with any ammo.

I figure they sold well north of a million of them so far, and I’ve heard from less than 100 or 200 people who said they had a problem.

Buy a Shield 45 or don’t, but If you don’t, you’re missing a good deal on a fine pistol.
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Go back and look at the thread carefully. You're reacting to pretty much only three people complaining a year ago. Far more people reporting they are very happy. I pretty much threw everything "NoNothin" said about the Shield 45 a long time ago (nobody buys 8 of the same gun with same issue unless something else is going on). If the Shield 45 had the kind of issues he claims, this thread would have exploded in the last year, but it never happened. In fact, if you look closely at post #26, SWSIG reported his Shield 45 has performed well, while his Shield 9mm is problematic. Go figure.

The point is, there will always be tiny percentage of issues with any manufactured product; but don't be mislead. Since I've been lurking here, I can tell you the Shield 45 has seen about 90-95% positive posts with only a handful of members who had unresolved problems. Everyone else is thrilled with it and singing its praises. I'm just sayin' when you read these threads make sure you really understand what you're looking at.
Oh, Boy! The Smith & Wesson Supreme Kool-Aid Slurper himself, FloridaS&W, just can't let an opportunity slip by to discredit other forum members for reporting problems with their S&W products. He's at it again!

He says "I pretty much threw everything "NoNothin" said about the Shield 45 a long time ago (nobody buys 8 of the same gun with same issue unless something else is going on). If the Shield 45 had the kind of issues he claims, this thread would have exploded in the last year, but it never happened."

Well, Mr. Kool-Aid Slurper, to prove once and for all that your deranged obsession about my purchases and experiences is as distorted as your view of S&W's poor quality and alarming unreliability, here is a serial number list of all EIGHT (8) 45 Shields that I bought and disposed of because they ALL failed to feed reliably with a variety of 45 DUTY AMMO, just like I have posted and you continue to LIE about, saying that it could not be true:

HDVx645
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HHAx707
HXEx818
HXEx753
HWWx901
HWWx729
HWWx984

One digit in each serial number has been removed to protect the anonymity of the folks who may have acquired these EIGHT (8) 45 Shields but, the serial numbers are 100% honest and accurate, unlike the counter-claims of FloridaS&W!

As far as the second part of the Slurper's delusion that "(nobody buys 8 of the same gun with same issue unless something else is going on)" , the only thing going on is that I don't make all kinds of excuses for an untrustworthy design that fails when your life depends on it like you do!

As I said many times, regardless of what others may experience with their 45 Shields, that gun (eight times over) did not work for me and many of my fellow shooters.

The difference between an "exploding thread" and one that doesn't explode is that most gun owners have a real life, unlike FloridaS&W whose life centers around endless excuse-making for S&W's defective products. Most "normal" gun owners don't waste time posting about their misfortune in this forum knowing in advance that Kool-Aid drinkers like FloridaS&W will pounce on them with stupid questions and negative aspersions as to whether they limp-wristed, improperly cleaned, failed to oil, or didn't slap their loaded magazine hard enough, etc. or some other silly question rather than providing those unfortunate gun owners straight-forward and useful suggestions and advice as to how to resolve their problem.

Of course, with the exception of the Supreme S&W Kool-Aid Slurper, Mr. FloridaS&W, and his like-minded sycophants, this forum and the vast majority of members provide earnest and honestly priceless advice on a wide range of subjects that really helps make the shooting sports and S&W ownership a much more rewarding experience. Thank You to all the forum members who do so.

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Oh, Boy! The Smith & Wesson Supreme Kool-Aid Slurper himself, FloridaS&W, just can't let an opportunity slip by to discredit other forum members for reporting problems with their S&W products. He's at it again!

He says "I pretty much threw everything "NoNothin" said about the Shield 45 a long time ago (nobody buys 8 of the same gun with same issue unless something else is going on). If the Shield 45 had the kind of issues he claims, this thread would have exploded in the last year, but it never happened."

Well, Mr. Kool-Aid Slurper, to prove once and for all that your deranged obsession about my purchases and experiences is as distorted as your view of S&W's poor quality and alarming unreliability, here is a serial number list of all EIGHT (8) 45 Shields that I bought and disposed of because they ALL failed to feed reliably with a variety of 45 DUTY AMMO, just like I have posted and you continue to LIE about, saying that it could not be true:

HDVx645
HDZx800
HHAx707
HXEx818
HXEx753
HWWx901
HWWx729
HWWx984

One digit in each serial number has been removed to protect the anonymity of the folks who may have acquired these EIGHT (8) 45 Shields but, the serial numbers are 100% honest and accurate, unlike the counter-claims of FloridaS&W!

As far as the second part of the Slurper's delusion that "(nobody buys 8 of the same gun with same issue unless something else is going on)" , the only thing going on is that I don't make all kinds of excuses for an untrustworthy design that fails when your life depends on it like you do!

As I said many times, regardless of what others may experience with their 45 Shields, that gun (eight times over) did not work for me and many of my fellow shooters.

The difference between an "exploding thread" and one that doesn't explode is that most gun owners have a real life, unlike FloridaS&W whose life centers around endless excuse-making for S&W's defective products. Most "normal" gun owners don't waste time posting about their misfortune in this forum knowing in advance that Kool-Aid drinkers like FloridaS&W will pounce on them with stupid questions and negative aspersions as to whether they limp-wristed, improperly cleaned, failed to oil, or didn't slap their loaded magazine hard enough, etc. or some other silly question rather than providing those unfortunate gun owners straight-forward and useful suggestions and advice as to how to resolve their problem.

Of course, with the exception of the Supreme S&W Kool-Aid Slurper, Mr. FloridaS&W, and his like-minded sycophants, this forum and the vast majority of members provide earnest and honestly priceless advice on a wide range of subjects that really helps make the shooting sports and S&W ownership a much more rewarding experience. Thank You to all the forum members who do so.

And, SHAME on those like FloridaS&W.


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For those having FTF issues with their 45 Shield.
Fix Your Shield Before It Fails!!!
"Untrustworthy design." Another huge exaggeration. Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and put all that right in the toilet with everything else you've vomited up here. I don't know how you manage to get away with calling other members names, and attacking anyone who questions your post by stating that we are all "Kool-aid drinking fools" for carrying the Shield 45 (your exact words), without a moderator cracking the whip, but I have come to expect this type of hyper-emotional outburst from you, and it's officially getting creepy. People who are prone to wild exaggeration and lose control of their emotions don't belong on firearm forums.
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"Untrustworthy design." Another huge exaggeration. Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and put all that right in the toilet with everything else you've vomited up here. I don't know how you manage to get away with calling other members names, and attacking anyone who questions your post by stating that we are all "Kool-aid drinking fools" for carrying the Shield 45 (your exact words), without a moderator cracking the whip, but I have come to expect this type of hyper-emotional outburst from you, and it's officially getting creepy. People who are prone to wild exaggeration and lose control of their emotions don't belong on firearm forums.
Well, Mr. FloridaS&W, Thank You for responding to my above post that proved, once and for all, that I actually did purchase all eight 45 Shields despite your continuing (over 1 year) repeated false claims that I somehow "made it all up" (your words).

And, Thank You for displaying your leftist tactics of last resort, whereby, you desperately try to discredit my participation here by calling it "officially getting creepy. People who are prone to wild exaggeration and lose control of their emotions don't belong on firearm forums.".

You are obviously frustrated by my proven honesty supported by actual facts debunking your misinformation and relentless pursuit of those like me with actual S&W quality issues.

Just like your democrat teachers and the fake news media who support their agenda, when your phony claims are exposed for what they are, you melt down and call for authorities of all types to step in and punish those who expose you.

Your last-ditch attempt to rescue your now non-existent credibility by implying that I'm "officially getting creepy" and that "People (like me) who are prone to wild exaggeration and lose control of their emotions don't belong on firearm forums." are the exact same failed tactics currently being used against the greatest President of our era, Donald J. Trump.

Again, Shame On You.

I do, however, apologize for facetiously characterizing you as the Supreme S&W Kool-Aid Slurper, although it fits you nicely. My characterization might be misunderstood by some to be "name-calling" and that is against the rules.

Have a nice day!
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Well, Mr. FloridaS&W, Thank You for responding to my above post that proved, once and for all, that I actually did purchase all eight 45 Shields despite your continuing (over 1 year) repeated false claims that I somehow "made it all up" (your words).
Just remember, the reason you got called out was not for buying any number of Shields, it was because of because of your penchant for wild exaggerations, and trying to project your experience onto EVERY OTHER Shield 45; to the point where you positioned yourself as an authority and indicated that the only "personal experience" that matters to the forum is yours. Then you started vomiting up blanket statement nonsense like "these 45 Shields can not be trusted," and anyone who trusts this product is "A FOOL," and anyone who dares to question your posts is a "KOOLAID DRINKER." (your exact words, original link is below).

Even now, you are declaring this is a "defective" product, and "untrustworthy design" - when 90-95 percent of the owners love them and have positive reports. That is misinformation and misleading garbage.

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And, Thank You for displaying your leftist tactics of last resort... Just like your democrat teachers and the fake news media who support their agenda... the exact same failed tactics currently being used against the greatest President of our era, Donald J. Trump.

Again, Shame On You.
And shame on you, for dragging politics into this discussion, and trying to deflect readers with your off-topic nonsense. By the way, I am a Republican Trump voter. I guess you didn't see that one coming, but we already know you traffick in misinformation.

I will stick by my previous post:
There will always be tiny percentage of issues with any manufactured product; but don't be mislead. Since I've been lurking here, the Shield 45 has seen about 90-95% positive posts with only a handful of members who had unresolved problems. Everyone else is thrilled with it. So when you read these threads make sure you really understand what you're looking at.

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I do, however, apologize for facetiously characterizing you as the Supreme S&W Kool-Aid Slurper, although it fits you nicely. My characterization might be misunderstood by some to be "name-calling" and that is against the rules. Have a nice day!
Thanks for apologizing for your behavior.
But you're still the official Drama Queen of the M&P Forum. Carry on.

For future buyers of the Shield 45, here is the original thread:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/139818975-post9.html
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For future buyers of the Shield 45, here is the original thread:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/139818975-post9.html

Wouldn't that just be post #9, this would be the whole thread Shield 45 FTF mystery w/pix
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^^^ Yep, if you click in the upper right hand corner there is a link to the entire thread.
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