|
|
07-14-2017, 11:44 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Central SD USA
Posts: 1,840
Likes: 1,884
Liked 1,504 Times in 608 Posts
|
|
2nd Shield, 2nd mistake?
As a die-hard revolver guy, I really wanted to like the Shield. Am I doing something wrong or just be bad luck with the Shield? I am having issues with assembly/disassembly. That's why I sold my first Shield. This should be an easy, straight forward process. The pistol disassembled fairly easily. When I out it back together, the recoil pin/spring under the barrel sticks out. Also, the slide does not lock back with a magazine in or out. Even when I push the slide catch up. Now the slide won't go back far enough for the slide relase to rotate in it's slot on the slide. Now I remember why I wanted to stick to a simple basic revolver. If this is in the wrong forum, please move it.
__________________
otis
Last edited by otis24; 07-14-2017 at 11:45 PM.
|
07-15-2017, 12:07 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 679
Likes: 371
Liked 859 Times in 372 Posts
|
|
I think you need to have someone show you how to install the recoil spring. If it is even slightly out of position when you put the slide back you will have exactly what you are experiencing. It's really simple once you get it. But if you haven't handled many semi-autos it can be a little tricky. Don't give up!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-15-2017, 12:31 AM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Davidson County, NC
Posts: 2,117
Likes: 7,805
Liked 4,137 Times in 1,414 Posts
|
|
|
07-15-2017, 12:37 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Central SD USA
Posts: 1,840
Likes: 1,884
Liked 1,504 Times in 608 Posts
|
|
Any clues as how to get it apart again? Do I just keep cycling the slide until the guide rod finally releases?
__________________
otis
|
07-15-2017, 09:53 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Central SD USA
Posts: 1,840
Likes: 1,884
Liked 1,504 Times in 608 Posts
|
|
I whacked it with a rubber mallet and got it to release. I will be cognizant to make sure the open end of the spring is facing up. Is there a better aftermarket guide rod/spring assembly available?
__________________
otis
|
07-15-2017, 09:58 AM
|
BANNED Scammer !! SCAMMER !! SCAMMER !! SCAMMER !! SCAMMER !! THIEF !! THIEF !! THIEF !! THIEF !! THIEF !! THIEF !! THIEF !! SCUMBAG !! SCUMBAG !! SCUMBAG !! SCUMBAG !! SCUMBAG !! DANGER !! DANGER !! DANGER !! DANGER !! DANGER !!
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 275
Likes: 16
Liked 188 Times in 98 Posts
|
|
it sounds like you're not lining the guide rod up center of the barrel lug and it's getting caught where it's not supposed to.
the issue of the slide release sounds like your're not pulling it back all the wya. the shield 9mm spring is VEEEEEEEEEEEERY tight until a few hundred rounds down range. you can try hand racking it a few hundred times and leaving it all the way locked back (if you can get it back) for a week with the slide lock engaged to give the spring a little bit of a set.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-15-2017, 10:04 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 605
Likes: 105
Liked 399 Times in 248 Posts
|
|
Few problems in life can't be fixed by whacking it with a hammer.
|
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-15-2017, 10:20 AM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Davidson County, NC
Posts: 2,117
Likes: 7,805
Liked 4,137 Times in 1,414 Posts
|
|
You'll also want to make absolutely sure the round plate on the end of the spring assembly fits completely square (vertically and side to side) on the barrel notch.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
07-15-2017, 10:46 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Central SD USA
Posts: 1,840
Likes: 1,884
Liked 1,504 Times in 608 Posts
|
|
Thanks all. I will leave the slide racked for a while. I also ordered the one piece guide rod from ssguiderod.com. Has anyone else used these? Are they finicky as to how the spring is oriented as well?
__________________
otis
|
07-15-2017, 11:14 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Idaho
Posts: 415
Likes: 34
Liked 156 Times in 103 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScaryWoody
Few problems in life can't be fixed by whacking it with a hammer.
|
Gunsmithing 101...
If it doesn't move and should, use a hammer....
If it moves and shouldn't, use glue....
HaHa
__________________
CERAKOTE Svcs.
Class 01 FFL
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-15-2017, 11:17 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Idaho
Posts: 415
Likes: 34
Liked 156 Times in 103 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by otis24
Thanks all. I will leave the slide racked for a while. I also ordered the one piece guide rod from ssguiderod.com. Has anyone else used these? Are they finicky as to how the spring is oriented as well?
|
Clicking on that link goes to another search page. Cutting and pasting link in new page works...FYI
__________________
CERAKOTE Svcs.
Class 01 FFL
|
07-15-2017, 11:41 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Sonoran Desert, USA
Posts: 577
Likes: 967
Liked 1,503 Times in 403 Posts
|
|
I had the very same issue happen to me once with my PC Shield 9mm. The pistol has functioned flawlessly. 500+ Rounds now with several different brands of ammo, FMJ, hollow points. Then once, out of the clear blue sky, when I was reassembling I noticed as I mounted the slide on the frame it didn't feel quite right and the slide stop would not engage the slide stop notch. It moved into the notch but would not stay there. I thought,"Ugh, where's my G26?" LOL
Hmm, okay, removed the slide and to my eyes the guide rod assembly looked perfect. Obviously though something wasn't right. I removed the Guide assembly, rotated it, placed it back, and like greased butter the slide slid onto the frame and all was well. It's most definitely finicky and should've/could've been manufactured better.
Don't give up on the Shield quite yet. Keep shooting it, cleaning it, "lightly" lube it.
P.S. Keep us updated on how things go with the new guide rod assembly, and after a few hundred more rounds. Good Luck to you.
Last edited by Scorpion520AZ; 07-15-2017 at 11:50 AM.
Reason: PC Shield 9mm
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
07-15-2017, 12:50 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,928
Likes: 2,548
Liked 3,840 Times in 1,134 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by gonerydin
I think you need to have someone show you how to install the recoil spring. If it is even slightly out of position when you put the slide back you will have exactly what you are experiencing. It's really simple once you get it. But if you haven't handled many semi-autos it can be a little tricky. Don't give up!
|
I think gonerydin nailed it. Any problems I've had with reassembly of my Shield have been self induced. It's not too difficult to get that recoil spring assembly just slightly out of position and it doesn't work the way it should. Just take a little extra care in putting it back in and it is fine.
__________________
America First
|
07-15-2017, 01:00 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Outside Philadelphia Pa
Posts: 16,601
Likes: 7,342
Liked 17,200 Times in 7,303 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScaryWoody
Few problems in life can't be fixed by whacking it with a hammer.
|
If you can't fix it with a hammer you can't fix it!!!
Problem seems like simply not enough experience with semi autos
Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk
|
07-15-2017, 01:20 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Texas
Posts: 647
Likes: 896
Liked 420 Times in 271 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by otis24
I also ordered the one piece guide rod from ssguiderod.com. Has anyone else used these? Are they finicky as to how the spring is oriented as well?
|
Good questions.
I ordered one for mammas Shield9. It has a single stage spring instead of the 2 stage OEM spring. It also seemed a bit weaker than the OEM spring which is why we got it to assist her in racking the slide. Installed it and was quite pleased.....
At the range....the gun had never had a failure to speak of and when mamma shot the new RAS the gun experienced a 50% failure rate. When she gave it to me I had no problems with it.
Apparently her wrist strength was right on the edge of being capable and the weaker RAS took it below that line. Threw the OEM back in and no issues so I sold the new one. Moral of the story? The strong OEM spring makes up for some weak wrist(ing) in the long run and will return the slide to battery.
BTW...didnt seem finicky at all.
Last edited by Dad_Roman; 07-15-2017 at 01:22 PM.
|
07-15-2017, 01:27 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Liked 15 Times in 11 Posts
|
|
Wow. I have never seen that before and I have been shooting and disassembling Simi autos for over 25 years. I even reassemble a 1911 blindfolded. It did not have a guide rod though. It would have been much easier if it did.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
07-15-2017, 01:42 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 679
Likes: 371
Liked 859 Times in 372 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arik
If you can't fix it with a hammer you can't fix it!!!
Problem seems like simply not enough experience with semi autos
Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk
|
A hammer is a tool that is used to find the most expensive part adjacent to the thing you want to pound on.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-15-2017, 01:58 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 19
Likes: 38
Liked 13 Times in 7 Posts
|
|
I find my Shield much more finicky about RSA alignment than my Glock. Got to be just right or no go. Then again, maybe it is easier to get the Glock RSA to be "just right"?
|
|
Posting Rules
|
|
|
|
Similar Threads
|
Thread |
Thread Starter |
Forum |
Replies |
Last Post |
What a mistake!!
|
Scuba2do |
Gun Leather & Carry Gear |
32 |
08-30-2014 11:34 AM |
Big Mistake, Now What?
|
Lee in Quartzsite |
Reloading |
23 |
09-13-2011 10:09 AM |
Bad Mistake
|
Ky Bob |
Smith & Wesson Semi-Auto Pistols |
14 |
02-26-2010 08:44 PM |
|