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Old 07-10-2017, 12:36 PM
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Since getting my Shield, in the range trips I have taken both my Shield and Glock G19 to the range together I find that I shoot my Shield actually BETTER than my G19. I like the Glock don't get me wrong, and my Gen 4 G19 has been 100% reliable, however like many people I just don't have the 'Glock' hand that is a perfect fit for the Glock grip, and like many other people on the 'interweb' I have a tendency to shoot my Glock to the left (common Glock complaint...I don't have this issue with my Shield, my 1911, my Kahr PM9, my Ruger SR22, my GSG 1911 22lr).
The width, length, and back strap and shape to the grip right under the slight beaver tail on the Shield fits my hand just right, while the Glock just doesn't fit 'as good', and the finger grooves on the G19 don't perfectly line up for me.
Even the perceived recoil from the Shield feels better to me because my hand just seems to fit better one it.
So questions:
1. How do the full size M&P 9mm's compare in grip (other than width) to the Shield?
2. I love the capacity of the G19....but I wouldn't be opposed to using my Shield as my 'nightstand' pistol as well...Should I be concerned about not having 15+1 at my disposal compared to 8+1?
3. Anyone else gone away from a Glock to the Shield (or M&P) like this because of the Glock grip?

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Old 07-10-2017, 12:49 PM
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Just an observation from someone who doesn't have a Glock. I carry the 9mm Shield almost every day. Great gun. I also have a 9mm full size M&P at my bedside. Both shoot great but I like the feel of the full size a little better and LOVE shooting that one. My love of the full size led me to buying the shield since the FS was a little large for concealed carry.
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Old 07-10-2017, 01:01 PM
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Since getting my Shield, in the range trips I have taken both my Shield and Glock G19 to the range together I find that I shoot my Shield actually BETTER than my G19. I like the Glock don't get me wrong, and my Gen 4 G19 has been 100% reliable, however like many people I just don't have the 'Glock' hand that is a perfect fit for the Glock grip, and like many other people on the 'interweb' I have a tendency to shoot my Glock to the left (common Glock complaint...I don't have this issue with my Shield, my 1911, my Kahr PM9, my Ruger SR22, my GSG 1911 22lr).
The width, length, and back strap and shape to the grip right under the slight beaver tail on the Shield fits my hand just right, while the Glock just doesn't fit 'as good', and the finger grooves on the G19 don't perfectly line up for me.
Even the perceived recoil from the Shield feels better to me because my hand just seems to fit better one it.
So questions:
1. How do the full size M&P 9mm's compare in grip (other than width) to the Shield?
2. I love the capacity of the G19....but I wouldn't be opposed to using my Shield as my 'nightstand' pistol as well...Should I be concerned about not having 15+1 at my disposal compared to 8+1?
3. Anyone else gone away from a Glock to the Shield (or M&P) like this because of the Glock grip?
if your worried about capacity, and smiths fit your hand better then glock I would go with the sd9 series, better grip and higher capacity, and way cheaper!
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Old 07-10-2017, 01:12 PM
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I feel like I shoot my Shield as well as (perhaps better than) my FS 9. I keep the FS by the bed with two extra magazines. 52 rounds (17+1+17+17) should be sufficient. If not, there's always the 12ga within reach.

Why not find a range where you can rent a FS and see how it works for you?
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I got rid of my G-19 after I got acquainted to the SD9VE,the only Glock I have left is a G23.
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:51 PM
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i miss my shield... father in-law has it now. i have 2 G19, and have gone back to 2 442-2s for carry. no matter how much time i have with any/all bottom feeders, my airweights just seem right, and feel more confident with 'em. i'd carry my TRP, but its heavy, and just not as easy to use as a good old 442... last class i took, shot my g19 like a rock star. just in my humble opinion and honest take on carry, a 5 shot snubie is the best EDC ever.
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:58 PM
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I like my G19 g4 and shoot it great. It doesn't feel as good in my hand, but my results are what counts.
I just find the Shield easier/comfortable to carry. But if I ever was forced to defend myself I'm certain I'll wish I had my G19 with me. Love me lots of rounds!
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Old 07-10-2017, 08:15 PM
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I group my g19 well, just seem to shoot it left, I have about 1200 rounds through it. It's weird, the shield grip is just so nice for my hand that when I go to the g19 it doesn't feel as good.
After handling the G19 a bit more today I'm kicking around the idea of grinding off the finger groves on it and stipling the front of the grip
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Old 07-10-2017, 08:28 PM
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I got rid of my G-19 after I got acquainted to the SD9VE,the only Glock I have left is a G23.
this is where the sd9's shine, for those who want g19 size and capacity without the price tag, and with $150 to $200 savings that's five extra sixteen round mags, all with that wonderful grip angle! IMHO shields and sd9/sd9ves are the best deals going for carry/hd/sd, one of each can fill any roll jmho
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Old 07-11-2017, 08:43 AM
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I was pretty die hard Glock until I first fired an M&P. The M&P grip and trigger reach fit my medium sized hand more comfortably (even with the large blackstrap) than even the Gen 4 Glocks. Compared to the Shield, the full sized M&P is still going to feel wider. I have a 9mm Shield and a G43, and the slender profile of both frames takes some retraining of thought and feel. There are, of course similarities, but enough differences to affect shooting performance. Through training, one can overcome the differences and shoot accurately with either platform.


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Old 07-11-2017, 09:35 AM
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Back when Gen 1 Glocks were simply "Glocks" ( likewise G17 were simply " Glocks " ) , I thought it fit me great, and never had issues with shooting left . XXL hands .

I won't make blank comparisons of Shield against other brands, but will make the observation that as a subcompact-ish pistol , it offers practical accuracy and control that are well within the expectations for a full size pistol.
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if your worried about capacity, and smiths fit your hand better then glock I would go with the sd9 series, better grip and higher capacity, and way cheaper!
But a sucky trigger.
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But a sucky trigger.
five mags and a spring kit, still well under $200, the sd9 triggers not that bad, a bit heavy yea, but when things go bump in the night do you really want a 3lb trigger?
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Old 07-11-2017, 07:52 PM
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Since getting my Shield, in the range trips I have taken both my Shield and Glock G19 to the range together I find that I shoot my Shield actually BETTER than my G19. I like the Glock don't get me wrong, and my Gen 4 G19 has been 100% reliable, however like many people I just don't have the 'Glock' hand that is a perfect fit for the Glock grip, and like many other people on the 'interweb' I have a tendency to shoot my Glock to the left (common Glock complaint...I don't have this issue with my Shield, my 1911, my Kahr PM9, my Ruger SR22, my GSG 1911 22lr).
The width, length, and back strap and shape to the grip right under the slight beaver tail on the Shield fits my hand just right, while the Glock just doesn't fit 'as good', and the finger grooves on the G19 don't perfectly line up for me.
Even the perceived recoil from the Shield feels better to me because my hand just seems to fit better one it.
So questions:
1. How do the full size M&P 9mm's compare in grip (other than width) to the Shield?
2. I love the capacity of the G19....but I wouldn't be opposed to using my Shield as my 'nightstand' pistol as well...Should I be concerned about not having 15+1 at my disposal compared to 8+1?
3. Anyone else gone away from a Glock to the Shield (or M&P) like this because of the Glock grip?
Me!! My Shield (9mm) shoots better than my former 43 and 26! I'm convinced it's due to the grip angle.

As for your G19 capacity question, a spare 8 round mag nearby, or better yet, a new 2.0 17+1, solves that problem. The 2.0s accuracy is the best I've seen!! Simply amazing!!
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I carried a G20 for a decade, thought it was great then, but now I don't know how I ever liked the feel of a Glock, or the grip angle of a Glock.
I had an Springfield XD for a while and thought it was great, until I shot an M&P.
My Shields feel really good, but not as good as my Fullsize .40.
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Old 07-11-2017, 11:32 PM
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I think we all get wrapped around the axel with magazine capacity (I def do). I have switched between my G19/23 to my shield 9/45. I have always been a fan of more ammo the better, BUT having said that I doubt very highly I will be involved in a running gun battle where I have to lay down suppressive fire and move from cover to cover. Again, with all the recent active shooters abroad using AK's even a G19 is no match against a rifle. My shield 9mm as been my EDC gun now for about a month, I have the maggots +2 magazine Which have been 110% flawless after well over 600 rounds. That make's my 7 round mag 9 rounds +1 in the chamber for a total of 10 with a spare magazine. We also have the ability to pick and choose my battles (sorta speak) Unlike a LEO. I am confident My 10 rounds Shield 9mm will be sufficient for any/all encounters that I CHOOSE to get involved in.
Its laser accurate its been 100% reliable and it fires a decent defensive round. I think the Hi cap pistols def def have their place in the CCW world BUT so do the single stack guns. Unlike a Police Officer we get to choose our battles, They are thrown INTO battle with little to no notice and they mostly do that with their issued sidearm.

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Gostovp,

You're a good shot. I don't have a Glock 19, but I've shot it and it certainly shoots much better for me than my 9mm Shield. Although YMMV, I wouldn't recommend the Shield to a beginner. I finally got to the point where the Shield is accurate up to 15 yards. The Shield still does not work well for me at 25 yards. Nevertheless, I going to put some of Trijicon's HD RX sights on it as soon as I receive authorization to purchase a Sig Sauer P320.
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You're a good shot. I don't have a Glock 19, but I've shot it and it certainly shoots much better for me than my 9mm Shield. Although YMMV, I wouldn't recommend the Shield to a beginner. I finally got to the point where the Shield is accurate up to 15 yards. The Shield still does not work well for me at 25 yards. Nevertheless, I going to put some of Trijicon's HD RX sights on it as soon as I receive authorization to purchase a Sig Sauer P320.
I do have a G23 and like KF-NYC, I shoot the Glock much better than my 40 Shield at 25 yards. At 10 or 15 yards the Shield works pretty well for me.
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I took my g17 along with my new shield9 to the range, did a bit better with my shield 9.




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When I was preparing for my CCW test several years ago I did a dry run of the whole course of fire with the Shield and with 2 much bigger 9mm's, and the Shield won out. I passed the test with the Shield, which was appropriate since it was what I planned to carry, and I've carried it every day since. Next time I take the test I figure to use my Springfield Range Officer .45 with Fastfire 3. It's darn near unfair, as evidenced by the 20 shot hole here: Still carrying the Shield, though.
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Range trip today. Took my Shield 9 and my G19g4. My friend brought his G19g3 and G30g3.
I have Ameriglo Pro I-dots. Green front on G19, orange front on Shield. Friend has XS big dots.
I have an Apex DCAEK in my Shield and a Apex flat trigger and striker block plunger in my G19. My friend has polished his trigger bar and his striker block plunger.
Thoughts:
1. I like the I-dots a little better, especially the orange front sight.
2. I like the Apex Glock trigger better than stock.
3. I feel like I get a better grip on the G19, more from my support hand.
4. The Shield has the best trigger, smooth and crisp.
5. I shoot the Shield better than either G19. I can shoot it faster and more accurately.
6. The Shield feels better to shoot. I think it must be the Glock grip angle.
7. 45 acp kicks a lot more than 9mm.
8. All four pistols run great and would all be good choices. The Shield shines in that it is so small and thin, weighs less and feels better.
9. Magguts would give the Shield the same capacity as the G30. I think I will get at least one.
10. Over 400 rounds in my Shield with zero issues.
If I could only pick one, I'd choose the Shield.

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You're a good shot. I don't have a Glock 19, but I've shot it and it certainly shoots much better for me than my 9mm Shield. Although YMMV, I wouldn't recommend the Shield to a beginner. I finally got to the point where the Shield is accurate up to 15 yards. The Shield still does not work well for me at 25 yards. Nevertheless, I going to put some of Trijicon's HD RX sights on it as soon as I receive authorization to purchase a Sig Sauer P320.
I'm an 'ok' pistol shot. Its like anything, you need to practice to get better, but you also need equipment that fits you (like golf, running or trap shooting or even baseball...properly fitted or sized clubs, shoes, shotgun stock or even a bat can make a difference in how you perform).
In regards to shooting my Shield better than my G19 I really think it has to do with just how well the Shield fits the contours of my hand and the thinness of the grip. I have shot compound bows/archery for 3 decades (another sport where you have to have proper fit for accuracy) and in that sport, thin grips are considered better for accuracy...many archers remove the stock grips from their bows to make the grips even thinner (I do this on my hunting bow and wrap it with a couple layers of Camoform tape). I think the thin grip of the Shield keeps me from inducing torque into the pistol, and the shape of the grip and how it fits well into the web of my hand for me really reduces the felt recoil.
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After the responses to this thread, I may sell my G19 and invest in some MagGuts for my 8 round Shield mags.
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Since getting my Shield, in the range trips I have taken both my Shield and Glock G19 to the range together I find that I shoot my Shield actually BETTER than my G19. I like the Glock don't get me wrong, and my Gen 4 G19 has been 100% reliable, however like many people I just don't have the 'Glock' hand that is a perfect fit for the Glock grip, and like many other people on the 'interweb' I have a tendency to shoot my Glock to the left (common Glock complaint...I don't have this issue with my Shield, my 1911, my Kahr PM9, my Ruger SR22, my GSG 1911 22lr).
The width, length, and back strap and shape to the grip right under the slight beaver tail on the Shield fits my hand just right, while the Glock just doesn't fit 'as good', and the finger grooves on the G19 don't perfectly line up for me.
Even the perceived recoil from the Shield feels better to me because my hand just seems to fit better one it.
So questions:
1. How do the full size M&P 9mm's compare in grip (other than width) to the Shield?
2. I love the capacity of the G19....but I wouldn't be opposed to using my Shield as my 'nightstand' pistol as well...Should I be concerned about not having 15+1 at my disposal compared to 8+1?
3. Anyone else gone away from a Glock to the Shield (or M&P) like this because of the Glock grip?
Your experience is quite common. I left a Sig 320sc, Glock 26, and the 43 twice for my Shield (9mm/No Safety/Factory Night Sights). Why? I can shoot it more accurately. I for one am convinced that the 18 degree grip angle makes ALL the difference (for me).

I just added a 4.25" 2.0 to my bag. It is amazingly accurate! Superb trigger! Compared to my beloved Gen 4 19, both the 2.0 and the Shield top it! With the small grip module, the grip is still wider than the Shield.

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2. .but I wouldn't be opposed to using my Shield as my 'nightstand' pistol as well...Should I be concerned about not having 15+1 at my disposal compared to 8+1?
3. Anyone else gone away from a Glock to the Shield (or M&P) like this because of the Glock grip?
#2....Nightstand use could be 10+1+10 with the promag. I know there is a lot of consternation about promags but we have thousands of rounds through them with no problems. This is what mamma has on her side. Probably go to the 45's when mag extentions start showing up in the marketplace.

#3....My boy took my Shield9 away from me a couple months ago and recently told me he parted out his Glock and got rid of it (and he was a trublu fanboi)

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As others before me have observed, the Shield is the smallest gun I have ever owned that (for me) shoots like a larger one. In my hands, the accuracy of the Shield matches any non-custom firearm that I own.

A couple of weeks ago I decided to shoot a local IDPA match using my Shield in the CCP (Compact Carry) division. Over six stages of fire I had one shot outside the down zero circle. Needless to say, I was quite happy with that little experiment.

I have no plans to sell my Glocks. but I am very happy with the Shield performance.
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I love my shield 9mm, other than a light stippling job & fluorescent green painted front sight dot its bone stock. I have approximately 8-900 rounds through it. As a defensive carry gun, I think the trigger feels great right now & I am able to shoot it very accurately. I bought the 5 inch 2.0 a month ago & its a nice shooter. As far as the FS grip, obviously wider & longer, but also wider front to back. Using the smallest backstrap will bring it closer to feeling like the shield. A bigger change in the feel between a FS & the Shield is when the support hand comes in. The longer & wider front to back, grip of the FS gives you a little more contact on the gun. The trigger on the 2.0 is much better than 1st gens, but the initial 1st shot take up is way too long. I alos have a 1st gen FS m&p45 & its a little wider all the way around than my 2.0 9mm
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You're a good shot. I don't have a Glock 19, but I've shot it and it certainly shoots much better for me than my 9mm Shield. Although YMMV, I wouldn't recommend the Shield to a beginner. I finally got to the point where the Shield is accurate up to 15 yards. The Shield still does not work well for me at 25 yards. Nevertheless, I going to put some of Trijicon's HD RX sights on it as soon as I receive authorization to purchase a Sig Sauer P320.
I can relate to this thread and I was going to mention distance. Within 15 yards, I shoot marginally better with my Shield (PC and standard with Apex sear) over my P320. At 25 yards, I can only hit steel with the P320 though.

Since your'e about to pick up a P320, maybe this vid would be of interest:

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Since getting my Shield, in the range trips I have taken both my Shield and Glock G19 to the range together I find that I shoot my Shield actually BETTER than my G19. I like the Glock don't get me wrong, and my Gen 4 G19 has been 100% reliable, however like many people I just don't have the 'Glock' hand that is a perfect fit for the Glock grip, and like many other people on the 'interweb' I have a tendency to shoot my Glock to the left (common Glock complaint...I don't have this issue with my Shield, my 1911, my Kahr PM9, my Ruger SR22, my GSG 1911 22lr).
The width, length, and back strap and shape to the grip right under the slight beaver tail on the Shield fits my hand just right, while the Glock just doesn't fit 'as good', and the finger grooves on the G19 don't perfectly line up for me.
Even the perceived recoil from the Shield feels better to me because my hand just seems to fit better one it.
So questions:
1. How do the full size M&P 9mm's compare in grip (other than width) to the Shield?
2. I love the capacity of the G19....but I wouldn't be opposed to using my Shield as my 'nightstand' pistol as well...Should I be concerned about not having 15+1 at my disposal compared to 8+1?
3. Anyone else gone away from a Glock to the Shield (or M&P) like this because of the Glock grip?
If you're packing a pistol for self defense all of this talk about magazine capacity __and some packing extra magazines__ may be too much most of the time. I mean where is the "end" number?
In my personal experience it starts and is over in seconds and at very short distances.
I agree with you about the "Glock grip". Had a G26. Very good shooter and reliable. Other than brass to the face__and over my head. I found the grip not for me. That said, I do have a G43 and
find the grip acceptable. However, my packing 9 is a Shield. My
"packer" for out on my desert or nearby mountains is my Sig P320 with Buffalo Bore's Outdoorsman rounds.
If you find you are needing your SD pistol you'll be fortunate to get off two shots. Of course I'm still "trained" for those five shots.
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That's why we call them 'Blocks'. I'm not being derogatory, just that a Glock is a Glock and it caters to people that have the hands for it.
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I carry a snub revolver more often than anything else, so I see no issues with the Shields's capacity for carry, but home defense is very different from my perspective.

As a civiian, in a public/concealed carry defense scenario, complete avoidance is the primary goal followed by escaping the conflict. I think a 5 round J-frame or a single stack auto like then Shield is sufficient for this role.

In a home defense scenario, I can't readily avoid the confrontation and escape is not often a practical option, especially for those of us with children. I will have to make a stand and in that context, I want all the capacity I can get. I have come across far too many home invasion cases involving multiple intruders to be comfortable with relying solely on a revolver or single stack auto. More often than not, the intruders flee once the shooting starts, but I don't think it wise to count on that occurring and choose to prepare for the possibility of multiple determined intruders who still engage even when confronted with armed resistance.

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I agree but where does one draw the line??
The sig academy teaches 2 to 6 rounds per threat, So if an armed home invasion happens with lets say 3 perps your firing as little as 6 rounds or as many as 18. And thats if they are all hits under no stress, where does one draw the line. So one needs to carry a Glock 17 (or the like) to defeat that threat.
My thought's are, shoot a gun you shoot well, shoot it accurately and shoot it fast. Practice scenarios that would mimic a home invasion or an every day life event. Practice one handed shooting in the event your holding a child. Practice practice practice,
for me the Shield 9mm fits that role well, Its very very accurate 100% reliable and easy to shoot. I have been using the maggots +2 inserts which have been 100% reliable even after 600 rounds. That gives my 10 rounds of Speer Gold Dot 124+P which in my opinion is a formidable fighting gun for its size.
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Some very good points made about home defense weapon. I had my G19 posted here for a little bit and took it down, shot a 9c and just didn't like it like I thought I would. I'm thinking of not taking a bath on selling it and keeping it and just saving up for a full size M&P or SD series. Maybe I will remove the finger grips humps on the G19...got a buddy that will do that and re-stipple the front strap for me if I want...he stippled his XD9 and did really sweet job on it, so I trust him not to Bubba it up.

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