Brand New M&P 2.0 With Filthy Barrel

wingspar · #1 07-11-2017, 03:10 AM

I rarely clean guns, but my other half made a comment about how dirty her G19 was the other day while we were out shooting. Dirtiest 9mm I’ve ever seen and since she doesn’t have the strength in her hands to field strip it and looking at some of my handguns, I decided to have a sit down with 3 handguns and as long as I had all the cleaning stuff out, I decided to take a look at my new M&P in .45 ACP that I have not yet had the chance to shoot. The frame looked clean and I could see lube on the rails, but looking down the barrel, it looked pretty disgusting. Worse than the 3 Glocks I just cleaned and every one of them had several hundred rounds down the pipe since last cleaned. I let it soak in Hoppe’s 9, ran a patch thru it and nothing changed, so I let it soak again and this time I ran a brush down the barrel. Came out nice and shinny. Now, I know the factory tests these guns and probably doesn’t clean them, but good grief! This is my first M&P. Is this normal or maybe did I get a used gun sold as new?

coachray · #2 07-11-2017, 06:16 AM

Of all the guns I've ever bought, I could tell they had been fired, but the barrel was slightly dirty. Nothing like what you're describing. I automatically clean any new gun, so I probably have not given each one a close inspection as to how dirty the barrel has been.

Shield9mm · #3 07-11-2017, 07:27 AM

I don't mind getting a dirty gun, it means it was tested extensively to make sure of proper function before leaving the factory.

Arik · #4 07-11-2017, 09:05 AM

Yes they test them and you're correct they don't clean them. On revolvers it's 3 rounds. Two together and one spread out so that way the cylinder is tested as well. Don't know how many rounds they shoot in a semi auto. Could just be the type of ammo they use is dirty

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MichiganScott · #5 07-11-2017, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nonuthin

. A fired cartridge must be forwarded to the BATF for archival & tracing purposes.

Where are you getting this from?

ken158 · #6 07-11-2017, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nonuthin

1. From the information you put forth, you did NOT get a USED gun sold as new if it came through normal distribution. You got a new gun which by federal law must be fired before shipment. A fired cartridge must be forwarded to the BATF for archival & tracing purposes.
2. The barrel was not FILTHY. It was dirty from having been test-fired and had powder residue, carbon and possibly some lead or copper left behind after the projectile passed through it.
All barrels get dirty whether one round or many rounds are fired through them. And, whether you fire 10 rounds or 110 rounds, most modern jacketed ammunition gets your barrel dirty but not increasingly so. In other words, the barrel gets just so dirty and that's it because successive rounds clean out most debris from previous rounds.
3. As a former dealer and active shooter and frequent gun buyer for awhile, I have never received a CLEAN-barreled new firearm from any distributor, ever! I know of no manufacturer or importer who cleans the barrels of their new firearms before they ship them. That includes S&W, Beretta, SIG, Ruger, Glock, Taurus, Colt, etc. They have ALL been what you describe as FILTHY when I received them.

So, although your post is an entertaining read, it is factually incorrect, and I am happy to have had this opportunity to answer your question.

Enjoy your new firearm!

A lot of inaccurate information here... There is NO federal law that requires a fired case to be included with a new gun and there is NO BATF collection of fired cases. There WERE a few states that bought into the ballistic fingerprint idea and placed such fired case restrictions on manufacturers that sold in their state but that idea has been abandoned and fired cases are not required to be included with any new gun now. You may get a new gun that has or has not been fired. Evidence of much firing indicates an inspector may have found a problem and it was sent back to a fitter for correction and then fired again. All guns will have grease or lubricant in their barrels for metal protection and why a new gun should be cleaned prior to firing. I wont even comment on (shooting a gun clean...)

0849 · #7 07-11-2017, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wingspar

I rarely clean guns, but my other half made a comment about how dirty her G19 was the other day while we were out shooting. Dirtiest 9mm I’ve ever seen and since she doesn’t have the strength in her hands to field strip it and looking at some of my handguns, I decided to have a sit down with 3 handguns and as long as I had all the cleaning stuff out, I decided to take a look at my new M&P in .45 ACP that I have not yet had the chance to shoot. The frame looked clean and I could see lube on the rails, but looking down the barrel, it looked pretty disgusting. Worse than the 3 Glocks I just cleaned and every one of them had several hundred rounds down the pipe since last cleaned. I let it soak in Hoppe’s 9, ran a patch thru it and nothing changed, so I let it soak again and this time I ran a brush down the barrel. Came out nice and shinny. Now, I know the factory tests these guns and probably doesn’t clean them, but good grief! This is my first M&P. Is this normal or maybe did I get a used gun sold as new?

Not to cast undue aspersions on any dealer, however, just to let you know that there is another variable in the equation, back in the northteast I have talked to more than one dealer that allowed their workers to take new firearms to the range to try out and then place them back in the display case or store room to be sold as new. When I challenged one particular dealer on why the pistol looked so dirty he admitted doing this and insisted that there was nothing wrong with it, suffice to say I crossed those dealers off my list.

wrangler5 · #8 07-11-2017, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nonuthin

< snip > However, the latest research indicates that several governmental subdivisions have adopted similar such processes as laws and ordinances in some jurisdictions around the country. < snip >

It's my understanding that CA does have a microstamping law, which requires a semiautomatic handgun to place a unique identifying mark on each case and/or primer fired through it, as a condition of getting that gun on the "good gun" list which CA maintains. Older guns which are already on the list can remain on the list in their existing configurations as long as the manufacturers pay the periodic renewal fee. Guns not on the list cannot be sold in CA through a licensed dealer.

It is also my understanding that ALL manufacturers have decided that they will NOT incorporate microstamping into their manufacturing process (I think it's a patented process and they would have to license it from the patent holder) and so will NOT offer any guns for sale in CA that are not already on the list.

That's tough rocks for CA residents, but then again they DID elect the geniuses in Sacramento that passed these laws.