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is the 2.0 worth the increase?
with sales on the M&P full sizes going into the $340-$360 range, and the 2.0 at about $430 range... is that extra $70-$80 worth it for the next gen ???? I haven't been able to handle a 2.0 more than superficially, but I'm itching to get a FS 9mm M&P in either gen (I have 2 of the 9cs, and a couple shields as well) and wasn't sure if the 2.0 is worth THAT much more... I mean, if it was a $30 difference I'd probably go with the 2.0 and not even think about it, but with about $70-$90 increase, it causes you to hesitate
(osage county guns has the m&p 9mm for 339 shipped right now)
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In your case I would say you should get a 1.0. A few less dollars and it will be very close to the two 9c and your shield you have now.
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I have a full size 1.0 in 9mm that I love and was tossing around the idea of changing to a 2.0 for its potential improvements. But after handling in the store, did not like at all the grip texture and to be honest didnt really notice much of any change between the new trigger and mine (dry fire only though).
So decided to keep what I have, as its familiar and works well for me and what I use it for. And if the 1.0's are getting cheaper I'd have no prob suggesting one.
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I'd say if you like the grip texture, the price difference will fade quickly. Otherwise, I doubt that for 20% more money it's 20% better. My 1.0 isn't going anywhere - I'm not even curious about the 2.0.
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I say yes. I owned the 1.0 and handled the 2.0. I like the grip much better and the trigger is a 100 time better. The $80 difference isn't that much.
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the grip texture is something I would probably buff down, as the shield .45 grip texture had to be sanded down heavily for it not to rip up my hands and have me wanting to stop firing after 50 rounds
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My thinking is this: If you're the type of gun owner/shooter who absolutely just has to have the next big thing, a thing that probably offers only mimimal improvements over what you already have, then yes, it's worth it. But probably only in your mind.
And in your last comment, you say you'd probably buff down the grip texture. Why buy a more expensive, and supposedly improved, version of a gun you already have if you're just going to try and turn the new gun into the one you already have?
Spend that extra money on more ammo or an extra mag or two. Or sights. Or groceries. Or something.
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My thinking is this: If you're the type of gun owner/shooter who absolutely just has to have the next big thing, a thing that probably offers only mimimal improvements over what you already have, then yes, it's worth it. But probably only in your mind.
And in your last comment, you say you'd probably buff down the grip texture. Why buy a more expensive, and supposedly improved, version of a gun you already have if you're just going to try and turn the new gun into the one you already have?
Spend that extra money on more ammo or an extra mag or two. Or sights. Or groceries. Or something.
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I was saying that if I get the 2.0 It's too aggressive and I'd need to soften the grip. I don't have ANY full size M&P's, 1 or 2.0, and was deciding which one of the two to get. I didn't know if the trigger upgrade was that more substantial, or it came with internal parts that are more robust etc... meaning, is the 1.0 obsolete or is the 2.0 just some minor tweaks ....
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Yes, the 2.0 is now the production model and the 1.0 will be sold new until supplies are diminished. But a weapon is never absolute and has the fire power as always.
That like saying is the 2017 vehicle is obsolete because the 2018 is a new generation.
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Yes, the 2.0 is now the production model and the 1.0 will be sold new until supplies are diminished. But a weapon is never absolute and has the fire power as always.
That like saying is the 2017 vehicle is obsolete because the 2018 is a new generation.
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true, I should have said "is the 1.0 actually mechanically inferior to the 2.0 besides grips"
and I was wondering if the 1.0 was discontinued, or whether they were going to "glock" it and sell them side by side like the Gen 3s and gen 4s on the Glock side of the equation
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Besides of the cost I wouldn't change my FS9 with apex FSS kit for a 2.0, get the 1.0 and spend the rest on upgrades.
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I would only get the 2.0 if your against adding apex upgrades on the 1.0.
Apex upgrades can be rather pricey but worth every penny IMO.
A full size 1.0 with a FSS apex trigger and apex barrel custom fit by a gunsmith can shoot 1''-2'' groups at 50 yds. Thats high end 1911 type accuracy.
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I would only get the 2.0 if your against adding apex upgrades on the 1.0.
Apex upgrades can be rather pricey but worth every penny IMO.
A full size 1.0 with a FSS apex trigger and apex barrel custom fit by a gunsmith can shoot 1''-2'' groups at 50 yds. Thats high end 1911 type accuracy.
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The only thing I see that the 2.0 has over the 1.0 is the trigger and grip. If you add an APEX kit to the 1.0, you have a handgun, IMO, that is just as good, or better than the 2.0.
Now the grip, you can go to AMAZON and buy (about $18.00) the TALON aggressive grip material and put it on the 1.0 and it will be similar to the 2.0, but not as rough.
I got my 2.0 for under $400 OTD, and at that price I couldn't pass it up.
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I would only get the 2.0 if your against adding apex upgrades on the 1.0.
Apex upgrades can be rather pricey but worth every penny IMO.
A full size 1.0 with a FSS apex trigger and apex barrel custom fit by a gunsmith can shoot 1''-2'' groups at 50 yds. Thats high end 1911 type accuracy.
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The Lady 1.0 has APEX Trigger Kit and Truglo fiber optic sights. She is very happy with it and, even though I am not a striker fired gun fan, I am impressed with it.
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I found the money worth spending on the 2.0, as a regular carrier of the 1.0.
It goes beyond just the grip & trigger.
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If you add an APEX kit to the 1.0, you have a handgun, IMO, that is just as good, or better than the 2.0.
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The 2.0 has upgrade modifications to the slide, beavertail area, barrel (9mm), and slide lock, besides the trigger & grips.
It is a tweaked generational overall upgrade that merely installing an Apex trigger will neither duplicate nor exceed in a 1.0.
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I found the money worth spending on the 2.0, as a regular carrier of the 1.0.
It goes beyond just the grip & trigger.
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I agree. The 2.0 had enough improvements over the original to get me to buy an M&P instead of another Glock,Walther, and HK.
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Given how new they are, and how eagerly anticipated they were, I've been surprised at how many 2.0's I've seen pop up on my statewide classified sites. I asked on another forum why that might be, but got a bunch of typical (for that forum) wise-*** comments that didn't provide any answers, or even good guesses.
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I really do not understand this debate 1.0 is tired-and-true and 2.0 a new model.
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My EDC is a 3rd Gen 3913......or PC Shorty-9......
Recently; I got a "used/still NIB" M&P9 for $300......OK service trigger IMO....... new 2.0s were $525......... I wanted a 'house gun" I could slap a light on.......
LGS is saying folks want the 2.0 and the 1st Gen M&Ps sit .....so
at $300 I'd buy a couple more for "Truck/utility/hard use" guns.
I've got other guns if I need a target pistol.
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I say yes. I owned the 1.0 and handled the 2.0. I like the grip much better and the trigger is a 100 time better. The $80 difference isn't that much.
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I agree Arik, I prefer the grip texture much better on the 2.0, enough that I bought two, to replace my two 1.0's.
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The 2.0 has upgrade modifications to the slide, beavertail area, barrel (9mm), and slide lock, besides the trigger & grips.
It is a tweaked generational overall upgrade that merely installing an Apex trigger will neither duplicate nor exceed in a 1.0.
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From the linked article; “The MHS standards call for a 4 inch Ransom Rest group at 50 yards, and the M&P 2.0 shoots to that specification.”
Denis do you know what the accuracy standard is for the 1.0 model?
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I do not.
I've carried my 1.0 .40 for a few years, it shot inside 3 inches easily with just about everything I tried at 25 yards & tighter with some loads, which was good enough for me.
The 9mm 1.0 has reportedly had less accuracy in general.
In looking for a pistol to carry me into my (furtherly) declining years, after working with the 2.0 9mm I found it averaged about 3 inches at 25 yards, with a couple test loads going tighter.
It is admittedly not the most accurate 9mm pistol out there, but that's a realistic "combat" or defensive level, and I can live with it.
I have not tried a 2.0 in .40 or .45.
I did work with a 1.0 in .45 ACP years ago, but too far back to remember what it did & I'm too lazy this morning to dig out the notebook.
It sticks in my mind that it was competitive with other ACP pistols.
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I am not fully understanding some of the replies. Bud's has the 2.0 in 40S&W or 9mm for $469 delivered which is apparently about $100 to $150 more than guys are seeing the 1.0 for. It almost sounds like the OP is being told to save the extra cash and buy a gen 1 version then spend $300+ on Apex parts plus whatever your gunsmith charges to fit the Apex barrel and you will have a pistol that's just as good or possibly better the 2.0. I am absolutely not knocking the 1.0. I put probably 12000+ rounds through mine before I gave it to my son and it proved to be a very dependable pistol for me and many rounds later my son is still enjoying it. But since the OP doesn't have either a 1.0 or a 2.0 why not buy the 2.0. Especially if you like the grip texture. I see a lot of guys whining about the texture on their new Shields but I just don't see a problem with it. Maybe if you're a surgeon or something with baby soft hands but otherwise it's a non issue. If I can put 300 rounds down range with my Shield 45 and not feel any discomfort how can a 9mmFS be any worse.
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My old full size is 4 years old-bought used but unfired. After a few hundred rounds I put in the Apex duty/carry kit with trigger and added the Ameriglo i-dot night sights. I also added the Talon grip.
I've only shot it once at 50 yards on an 18" steel rectangle and hit it 5 out of 6 tries. For everything else this pistol is great.
I really like the grip texture of the new version but the trigger doesn't compare to the Apex. A friend has one I've shot and can't tell a difference in accuracy. If I didn't have mine I'd get a 2.0 but I'd need to sell mine first and with the current prices mine wouldn't bring much-$350 if I'm lucky and that'd be without mags (bought a bunch of 17 rounders before our stupid laws changed in Colorado).
As much as I really like my 1911s this full size gets the call when cooler weather allows for a loose covering garment.
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with sales on the M&P full sizes going into the $340-$360 range, and the 2.0 at about $430 range... is that extra $70-$80 worth it for the next gen ???? I haven't been able to handle a 2.0 more than superficially, but I'm itching to get a FS 9mm M&P in either gen (I have 2 of the 9cs, and a couple shields as well) and wasn't sure if the 2.0 is worth THAT much more... I mean, if it was a $30 difference I'd probably go with the 2.0 and not even think about it, but with about $70-$90 increase, it causes you to hesitate
(osage county guns has the m&p 9mm for 339 shipped right now)
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I think it is, its enough to make me switch over from Glock.
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the grip texture is something I would probably buff down, as the shield .45 grip texture had to be sanded down heavily for it not to rip up my hands and have me wanting to stop firing after 50 rounds
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But which grip does your husband like better?
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I'll throw in another vote for the 2.0
I really like the way they feel in my hand. they took out just a little bit of material from the frame in the areas left and right of the webbing of your hand which combined with removing the beavertail and the slight bit of undercutting of the trigger guard, really help to be able to get a nice high grip to control muzzle rise.
The trigger in my opinion doesn't seem to be much better than the late model gen 1's. Both my .40 and 9mm were final model gen 1 guns and the triggers on those weren't too bad because they made a lot of improvments. definitely usable. I still dropped apex FSS kits in them. Mainly I'm just not a huge fan of the hinged tirgger on the full sized and compacts.. the one on the shield doesn't bother me though.
They also changed some other things that doesn't get talked about much like barrel lock up and things like that. also the front guide rails being extended by about 300%.
they did change the way the trigger bar engages the sear as well. The new system seems to me like it will make for a bit more solid system because they got rid of the "loop" or "candy cane" as I've heard some call it, but it also makes it not as adjustable either. On the gen 1's I can make adjustments on the trigger bar to enhance reset and take out over travel very easily. The new system seems to me like they might have been rushing things a bit and maybe if they would have taken a little more time, could have com up with something better. but by no means is it a bad system.
I think in regards to the trigger, people who have mostly experienced the older gen 1's will notice it a LOT more.
sorry, that got a little long winded. anyway, If the gen 1 is a late model, then either one is a great choice but I find just a little more refinement in many aspects of the 2.0 that I appreciate... especially after doing substantial work and studying of the internals of my gen 1's. I will say that I have yet to do much side by side comparison as far as accuracy goes though so I can't speak a whole lot to that.
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At my shop, the 2.0 is cheaper than the original. The 2.0 is $379.
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At my shop, the 2.0 is cheaper than the original. The 2.0 is $379.
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Damn! I was just looking at a couple LGS's today near seattle and they were $519 and $539
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I recently got a Shield .45...has the 2.0 grip.
I much prefer the grip on my older 9mm Shield.
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I don't think S&W would be happy that the new 2.0 is selling for 379 retail . Besides just making a claim does not mean anything .
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I have both generations of the M&P. I would never buy a 1.0 over a 2.0 and I don't see the logic of buying a 1.0 and dumping $300 worth of Apex parts into it to make it rival the performance of a 2.0.
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I have both generations of the M&P. I would never buy a 1.0 over a 2.0 and I don't see the logic of buying a 1.0 and dumping $300 worth of Apex parts into it to make it rival the performance of a 2.0.
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As far as the trigger goes...dropping an apex FSS kit in a 1.0 (properly installed and adjusted) still blows the **** out of a 2.0. Once apex gets the FSS kits out for the 2.0? Fahgeta-bout-ehht.... it'll be more like 2.ohhhhhh
And you can get the polymer trigger version of the FSS kits for the 1.0 for about $125 most of the time on eBay. Just sayin...
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