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Old 07-29-2017, 09:38 PM
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I noticed there are no M2.0s in .357sig yet(Maybe not going to happen?), my question is can i just order a KKM .357sig barrel & drop it into my M2.0 .40s&w? Thanks!
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I would be very surprised if they put out a .357 sig 2.0. some companies aren't even doing .40 anymore

the KKM .357 sig barrel should work just fine in the .40 slide. The barrels are said to be interchangeable. at least that's what Apex says. they said they've tested their barrels pretty extensively with the 2.0
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I would be very surprised if they put out a .357 sig 2.0. some companies aren't even doing .40 anymore

the KKM .357 sig barrel should work just fine in the .40 slide. The barrels are said to be interchangeable. at least that's what Apex says. they said they've tested their barrels pretty extensively with the 2.0
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MIDWAY, BROWNELL'S, & EBAY all sell the factory S&W M&P .357 SIG barrel anywhere from $80 plus. Also, EBAY has auctions on the .357 SIG barrels.
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MIDWAY, BROWNELL'S, & EBAY all sell the factory S&W M&P .357 SIG barrel anywhere from $80 plus. Also, EBAY has auctions on the .357 SIG barrels.
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S&W dropped the 357sig do to the amount of problems they had with them in the hands of LE . Your also assuming the gen 1 barrels will fit in a gen2 and work well . They had more than enough lock up issues with the gen 1 pistols so if your going to carry thru with a 357sig barrel at least but a semi fit or gunsmith fit barrel !
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S&W dropped the 357sig do to the amount of problems they had with them in the hands of LE . Your also assuming the gen 1 barrels will fit in a gen2 and work well . They had more than enough lock up issues with the gen 1 pistols so if your going to carry thru with a 357sig barrel at least but a semi fit or gunsmith fit barrel !

I believe Apex Tactical said the barrels are the same, i could be wrong. Never heard of the lock up issues, thanks for the info.
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Here is KKM KKM | Full .357Sig


This is what it says on that page in the description

"Note: All KKM M&P barrels work in the M&P 2.0 series."

I'll do some more internet searches to see if about this lock up issue, thanks!
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As you might have noticed, S&W discontinued all of their .357 SIG weapons some time back.

Here in NC, the NC Highway Patrol had purchased a large number of S&W M&P models in that round as their duty weapons, and had a number of problems with them that S&W was unable to resolve. The NCHP later switched to SIG P229s. S&W discontinued .357 production soon after the NCHP problems.

As previously noted, my son is a Master Trooper and I learned of the problems from him and from news coverage out of Raleigh NC, headquarters for the NCHP and the home of state government. The problems were not secret.
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As you might have noticed, S&W discontinued all of their .357 SIG weapons some time back.

Here in NC, the NC Highway Patrol had purchased a large number of S&W M&P models in that round as their duty weapons, and had a number of problems with them that S&W was unable to resolve. The NCHP later switched to SIG P229s. S&W discontinued .357 production soon after the NCHP problems.

As previously noted, my son is a Master Trooper and I learned of the problems from him and from news coverage out of Raleigh NC, headquarters for the NCHP and the home of state government. The problems were not secret.

Thanks for the info Walt, much appreciated.
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As you might have noticed, S&W discontinued all of their .357 SIG weapons some time back.

Here in NC, the NC Highway Patrol had purchased a large number of S&W M&P models in that round as their duty weapons, and had a number of problems with them that S&W was unable to resolve. The NCHP later switched to SIG P229s. S&W discontinued .357 production soon after the NCHP problems.

As previously noted, my son is a Master Trooper and I learned of the problems from him and from news coverage out of Raleigh NC, headquarters for the NCHP and the home of state government. The problems were not secret.
What were the problems, specifically? I've got an M&P .357 SIG. I've never had a single failure of any kind. Just curious what kind of problems plagued the NCHP. Thanks.
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Well, I've got this newfangled thing on my computer called google, and here's some of the links it came up with:

NCHP S&W .357 problems - Google Search
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Well, I've got this newfangled thing on my computer called google, and here's some of the links it came up with:

NCHP S&W .357 problems - Google Search
Google, eh? What'll they think of next?

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NCHP S&W .357 problems - Google Search

Much appreciated Bob, thanks!
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I bought a factory S&W FS M&P .357 SIG barrel for my M&P's and have YET to have ANY problems with about 400-500 rounds through it. Currently, it resides in my M&P .40 shooting SPEER LAWMAN 125 gr. FMJ bullets. I love the power of this round and how accurate it is. I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of this bullet.
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I bought a factory S&W FS M&P .357 SIG barrel for my M&P's and have YET to have ANY problems with about 400-500 rounds through it. Currently, it resides in my M&P .40 shooting SPEER LAWMAN 125 gr. FMJ bullets. I love the power of this round and how accurate it is. I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of this bullet.

Where did you find them in stock?
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I bought a factory S&W FS M&P .357 SIG barrel for my M&P's and have YET to have ANY problems with about 400-500 rounds through it. Currently, it resides in my M&P .40 shooting SPEER LAWMAN 125 gr. FMJ bullets. I love the power of this round and how accurate it is. I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of this bullet.
.357 sig is a fun round to shoot. you really feel that blast. not really sure why it didn't really catch on as well as some others... its external ballistics are pretty amazing and its pretty easy to handle.

I love lawman ammo... good stuff
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I bought a factory S&W FS M&P .357 SIG barrel for my M&P's and have YET to have ANY problems with about 400-500 rounds through it. Currently, it resides in my M&P .40 shooting SPEER LAWMAN 125 gr. FMJ bullets. I love the power of this round and how accurate it is. I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of this bullet.
I have the same setup as you. I also reload this caliber. 124 gr Hornady XTPs loaded in this setup are something to behold. So yeah, my opinions mirror yours. It's definitely a "bad to the bone" round and I find it to be pretty darn accurate as well. My CCW is a 9mm Shield but I keep the .357Sig with me in the vehicle along with an extra mag or two. It also sees duty as the night stand gun.
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That's a very modest level of shooting if you have have more than a couple of months into that number. Note that the usual expert recommendation, such as that by Doc Roberts, is for at least 500 rounds of DUTY ammo malfunction free before carrying a pistol for real. My contact with NCHP personnel indicated a much higher volume, a couple thousand per year IIRC. That would not surprise me, as every agency of which I am aware that had .357Sig pistols were agencies that trained hard and shot a lot, which is likely why they had good success with it in actual use.
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That's a very modest level of shooting if you have have more than a couple of months into that number. Note that the usual expert recommendation, such as that by Doc Roberts, is for at least 500 rounds of DUTY ammo malfunction free before carrying a pistol for real. My contact with NCHP personnel indicated a much higher volume, a couple thousand per year IIRC. That would not surprise me, as every agency of which I am aware that had .357Sig pistols were agencies that trained hard and shot a lot, which is likely why they had good success with it in actual use.
I originally bought 2 boxes of SPEER LAWMAN (50 rds. each) of .357SIG ammo from Academy Sports (FREE shipping over $25) for $32.25. After my son and I shot both of those boxes, we went in half on 10 boxes of SPEER LAWMAN .357 SIG ammo from SGAmmo.com @ $15.95 a box + $16.00 shipping ($175.50). My .357 SIG barrel was used in my 1.0, 2.0, my sons 2.0 and my cousins 1.0. We still have 2.5 boxes of ammo left.
That SPEER LAWMAN is some very accurate and robust ammo! My son has put in a backorder order to Midway for his own barrel. My cousin bought a .40 to 9mm conversion barrel. He said .357 SIG ammo is too expensive (Arik).

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...My contact with NCHP personnel indicated a much higher volume, a couple thousand per year IIRC. That would not surprise me, as every agency of which I am aware that had .357Sig pistols were agencies that trained hard and shot a lot, which is likely why they had good success with it in actual use.
It would surprise me! I doubt that more than a few NCHP Troopers were shooting their .357SIG pistols that much. A few of the cadre at the main NCHP training school might have been shooting at that level, but I don't think it was (or is) a widespread practice. The NCHP budget when they were having the M&P problems didn't allow THAT much shooting, then, and it hasn't improved much since then.

Such high-round-count shooting is made more difficult by the fact that most Patrol units -- which are spread all over the state -- don't have easy access to ranges that would allow a lot of practice time. Some ammo was provided for practice use, but not a lot. (And I think the practice ammo and the carry ammo were slightly different.)

Most trooper firing is done during periodic qualification sessions, which takes about 90+/- rounds, and that is done a couple of times a year. If troopers have personal backup weapons (for off-duty carry), they have to qualify with those weapons, using their own ammo (which may not be .357SIG.) Troopers with ARs or Shotguns are required to qualify with those weapons too, but are not given a lot of practice ammo during that tight budget period -- and places where you can practice with those weapons are few and far between.

(Salaries for all state employees were cut by 10% during that terrible financial/fiscal period, too, and they're just now starting to raise salaries again... But they're not close to playing catch-up, yet, and many Troopers who were hired with a promised salary increase schedule are many thousands of $s behind what was promised. Money was tight... still is, but improving.)

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Thanks for that update, and yes, I was in contact with training folks.
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