Range day with my son today. Based on group size, I am shockingly less accurate with the stock trigger.
I shoot faster and better with the Apex kit.

Ummm.... cool! Did you have a question about it?

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Uuuummm, Dang.
You best get back under your bridge before you miss out on a billie goat.
Perhaps if you save you can get an Apex Duty kit and you too will find happiness. They aren't expensive, in fact for the awesome trigger its a super value.

Maybe bragging? LOL

So you were just bragging then...

I wasn't trolling, it's just that most people who most on forums have some kind of question or want some kind of input or something. I was just trying to clarify the intent of your post. It's all good!

I agree with you. Apex makes a great product and I have their parts in most of my M&P's and have installed them in friends guns as well. If you liked their duty/carry kit in the shield, you should try their forward set sear kit in the full sized gun... it will rock your world.

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I don't think installing a trigger kit makes you a good shooter, it just compensates for your inability to shoot good. I just don't see spending $150-$300 for a trigger kit and installing it on your $300.00 carry piece. JMO

The bottom line is the ability to put the shots where you want them.

To be fair, replacing the $40 sear (only) has the biggest effect on trigger weight and crispness. I don't think that's silly $ for what you get ( especially if your in a 10#+ state.). That said, I've seen allot of folks go the $150+ route. I'm not one of them but to each their own.

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To each their own for sure. I just don't like messing with a trigger on a gun I carry. I'm sure S&W put the pull weight of their triggers on the Shields for a reason.

Putting a lighter trigger on a pistol certainly masks the effects of yanking the trigger, but learning proper grip and trigger control cures the root problem. I have a current student who has showed up for class with a different pistol each time, the last time with a full FSS M&P9. He wanted me to "sight it in" because he still shot low and left with it, too. I emptied the magazine into an IDPA head at 15yd and asked him to please try holding it as I showed him and stop yanking the trigger when the sights looked "just right."

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I'm not talking about masking deficiencies. The trigger makes a huge difference. Especially on a small pistol with a short barrel. That's a fact.
You can cut down a tree with a handsaw or a chainsaw. You can play tennis with a wooden racquet and you can golf with your great grandpa's clubs. You can commute on a moped...
I can't find merit in the comments from anybody that claims to prefer a gritty, stagey trigger over a smooth, crisp one. Jerry Miculek isn't competing with a pistol from Jiminez Arms...
I've been fortunate to shoot many handguns over the years. DAO revolvers with heavy triggers aren't a favorite of mine. I've shot many DA/SA guns where the DA was difficult to master and the SA was great (Beretta 92).
I have the FSS flat faced kit in my Pro9 and its so easy to shoot well and fast. I bought my Shield knowing I would be installing the Apex kit.
When I shoot my son's stock Shield, I know that was money well spent.
I can hit fine with the stock trigger, but it takes a lot more effort.
I have a bone stock Glock that I shoot great. I was at the Glockstore in San Diego last week. I got to run three of their custom guns in their range. All were fun, all cost almost 2x what my I have in my Pro9 and I wouldn't trade it for any of them.
For a duty/carry gun my Shield is better. The trigger is heavier, but just as crisp.
If it isn't fun, why do it? I had a lot of fun shooting my Shield today. If others are having to impart a great effort to shoot their Shields, I'm posting to let you know it might be your trigger but there is a very reasonable option that can take that trigger straight to the top.

yep, so they can sell you a performance center package to make it better.

or can apex that thing yourself and make it awesome. or you can leave it as is if thats your thing... which apparently it is.

thing is, these kits will help you shoot faster and more accurately and if your already a good shooter, they will make you better (most people anyway). if you don't want one then its a good thing we still have some freedom in this country!!

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Please, I'm trying to share a great thing with other Shield owners like me. Regular guys, not the world's greatest marksman. If you live on Shootout Lane, laugh at me and then invite me out for a weekend to learn from the family.
But if you've never shot the Apex duty kit how exactly did you form your opinions about it? If you are an elite marksman and can shoot the wings off a fly then congrats on being such a special guy.
Maybe spend your time writing letters to Bill Wilson scolding him for what he has done to Berettas and 1911s instead.

Apparently I was lucky and bought a Shield with no gritty or stagey trigger. I've shot a lot of guns with trigger jobs and they shoot great but I'm not competing in matches. It's for self defense.
I'm pretty sure if I have to use my gun is self defense I will most likely not notice the trigger.

I've shot the Shield PC 9mm and the trigger in it is worse than mine IMO.

I shot a friend's Shield about 4 years ago. The trigger was fine, no complaints with it. Two other friends and my son bought Shields in June and the triggers are gritty, stagey and have a nasty wall before they break.
Shooting back to back really impressed upon me how much more enjoyable a nice trigger is but more importantly how much easier it is to shoot too. We didn't measure group sizes, and the paper target wouldn't have survived either group but the Apex trigger was about half the size.
My son is leaning toward an Apex hard sear and poly trigger but that's $85 before shipping and for a little more he can get the kit with the aluminum trigger, striker block plunger, sear plunger and springs.

I believe you about the PC trigger. My first M&P was a PC9, 5 inch. The trigger was okay, until I shot a friends PC9 with the Apex comp kit. Ruined me... so I put in the comp kit with the flat faced trigger. If you have a good grip its so easy to shoot fast. So much fun!

I bought my new 9m/m Shield a few months ago for $219 and it's trigger has smoothed up to a very nice 5-1/2 lbs. It's really about perfect for a defensive gun but I enjoy shooting accurate guns and was thinking about getting another one while they are cheap and putting a full target grade trigger on it. The gun is so comfortable and accurate I'm curious how well I could shoot it with a crisp 3 lb pull.

The only kit Apex has for the Shield is a duty kit. It has a much smoother trigger, less take up and its a crisp break. Its not significantly lighter than stock.
If you install individual parts with the stock springs you might get a lighter trigger but not when you install the whole kit.
The FSS comp kit definitely reduces trigger weight but its not available for the Shield.

I'm sorry I seem to have offended you with my request for clarification of intent.

Had you read and understood my posts in the rest of the thread you would have noticed that it was not of malicious intent.

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The Apex sear is a great addition to the Shield 9. Much improved over stock. The trigger ends up being rather light but no lighter than 85% of the carry 1911's out there or a Walther PPQ or a TP9SF or etc.

If you want it heavier, you can add the Apex springs.

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I just installed an Apex kit in a Shield. Very nice.

Pull with the stock trigger spring is right at 5 lb.
Pull with the Apex trigger spring is right at 6 lb.

For CC, I think I'm going to stay with the 6 lb trigger.

I'm sure Apex is happy to hear this. They are making millions selling aftermarket triggers and other non-essential add-ons.

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