|
|
|
09-07-2017, 08:33 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 113
Likes: 282
Liked 158 Times in 53 Posts
|
|
M&P 2.0 Compact Announcement
Hi all. Long time lurker, first time poster.
I saw this on Facebook just a few minutes ago and figured y'all might enjoy this as much as I will. From what I read on two different posts, an official announcement will be made Monday.
I am STOKED as my absolute perfect all around size pistol is the G19 (but I never could warm up to that other pistol manufacturer). 4" barrel, 5" overall height with 14-16 rounds is exactly what fills my needs and wants. I most likely will be a buyer as soon as I can get my mitts on one.
Last edited by ctxcummins; 09-07-2017 at 09:47 PM.
|
The Following 26 Users Like Post:
|
akdude, bduncan1231, Bosquebass, bsmiley, cb4017, Christopher67, Dave Lively, ddgbill, dirty & hairy, Fox4506, galena, Gary1911A1, hung-up, John Reid, Just another 22 shooter, Konk, Mark IV, mattwings, okiegtrider, PCnotPC, Philadelphia Patriot, roughneck6, Scorpion520AZ, Spendon, StickShift, Tinhack |
09-07-2017, 08:46 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 370
Likes: 169
Liked 87 Times in 56 Posts
|
|
Interesting but since i bought in last 3 weeks a Shield and a 2.0 i wont get one, however i wonder why they have not yet made a Shield 2.0?
Maybe that is coming soon?
|
09-07-2017, 08:50 PM
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 7,910
Likes: 3,514
Liked 6,729 Times in 2,620 Posts
|
|
As this is the same size as the G19, I wonder how this would have done if it had been offered to the Bureau when they selected the G19M and G17M
Looks to be the right size.
I hope it comes with three magazines (doubtful).
This might be worth a look.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-07-2017, 08:53 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 370
Likes: 169
Liked 87 Times in 56 Posts
|
|
Rebate is still on for 3 weeks, so 2 more mags etc...!
|
09-07-2017, 09:00 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,927
Likes: 2,548
Liked 3,838 Times in 1,133 Posts
|
|
Interesting possibilities here. Staying tuned.
I did notice the same pic over on a board for that other pistol manufacturer.
__________________
America First
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-07-2017, 09:03 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 113
Likes: 282
Liked 158 Times in 53 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by okiegtrider
Interesting possibilities here. Staying tuned.
I did notice the same pic over on a board for that other pistol manufacturer.
|
I posted the same pic on another thread on gt.
|
09-07-2017, 09:04 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 113
Likes: 282
Liked 158 Times in 53 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by shawn mccarver
As this is the same size as the G19, I wonder how this would have done if it had been offered to the Bureau when they selected the G19M and G17M
Looks to be the right size.
I hope it comes with three magazines (doubtful).
This might be worth a look.
|
Glock more than likely did what they (almost) always do and underbid everyone else
|
09-07-2017, 09:37 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 92
Likes: 51
Liked 37 Times in 31 Posts
|
|
Thats my next gun. Count me in for a 9mm.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-07-2017, 09:53 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 244
Likes: 1,576
Liked 286 Times in 125 Posts
|
|
Hmmm. Interesting. Wishing they would have nipped another 1/2"-3/4" off the barrel. Can't please everyone. I happen to like our two current M&P Compacts in 9, especially when they have the added extended grip area added to the magazine, which all of ours do.
Glad to see some of the other improvements.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-07-2017, 10:12 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 822
Likes: 599
Liked 1,336 Times in 431 Posts
|
|
The last M&P compact I owned only had twelve round magazines. Nice to see they went with fifteen rounds on this one. Not sure I really need one but will definitely lay my hands on one and check it out if I get a chance.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-07-2017, 10:16 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 137
Likes: 16
Liked 43 Times in 32 Posts
|
|
Hoping the magazines fit in the first gen compact.
|
09-07-2017, 10:54 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Posts: 1,412
Likes: 255
Liked 307 Times in 140 Posts
|
|
Hmmm. Interesting. Recently bought a Gen 4 model 23. Very nice pistola. Still, I carry my M&P 40c more often. So, for me, this comes a little late. Not sure that there is room in the inn for this one.
If the the 2.0's used the same safety as the Shield's use, I might reconsider. I don't like the too easily moved "bat wings" used on the current M&P's.
Last edited by Out West; 09-07-2017 at 10:56 PM.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 07:25 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Georgia
Posts: 588
Likes: 736
Liked 425 Times in 235 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Out West
....If the the 2.0's used the same safety as the Shield's use, I might reconsider. I don't like the too easily moved "bat wings" used on the current M&P's.
|
Good point, and I agree. That big floppy "bat wing" lever is a real loser (unless maybe they've tightened it up, but the pessimist in me is betting they glossed right over that). It would've helped to at least have shaved even a tiny bit of material off the thing,as well.
The Shield safety lever is very unobtrusive, yet still very functional. It would've been a big improvement here, IMO.
But, overall, I think this new compact version is a winner.
Last edited by Mark IV; 09-08-2017 at 07:36 AM.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 08:22 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 242
Likes: 909
Liked 166 Times in 92 Posts
|
|
I was curious when they were going to come out with compact 2.0...thanks for posting!
I do like the size of my current compact though, which is in between the sizes of the G19 and 26. But I guess S&W wanted to compete more directly with Glock on the size of the 19.
Fox
|
09-08-2017, 08:57 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 262
Likes: 3
Liked 141 Times in 86 Posts
|
|
Looks like I now have a m&p gen 1 9c for sale
In time for christmas
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 11:09 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 812
Likes: 399
Liked 725 Times in 366 Posts
|
|
Took a quick spin on S&W's website, didn't see the compact 2.0 on it. Hopefully soon
__________________
Guns + Dogs= Bliss
|
09-08-2017, 11:22 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Maine
Posts: 123
Likes: 181
Liked 20 Times in 16 Posts
|
|
Very cool indeed.
|
09-08-2017, 11:40 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 296
Likes: 35
Liked 123 Times in 82 Posts
|
|
So 7.3 length compared to the 7.4 FS length and a slightly shorter grip = compact? okay
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 11:49 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Maine
Posts: 123
Likes: 181
Liked 20 Times in 16 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThrowinRocks
So 7.3 length compared to the 7.4 FS length and a slightly shorter grip = compact? okay
|
It must be what the masses want, I'll buy one!
|
09-08-2017, 11:59 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 296
Likes: 35
Liked 123 Times in 82 Posts
|
|
I hear the same thing about the new Glock but wasn't impressed after shooting one. I could purchase it with my LEO discount but I'll wait to see what else is released.
There's already the M&P C versions which I'd consider compact before I would this new 2.0 compact.
|
09-08-2017, 12:08 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Georgia
Posts: 251
Likes: 731
Liked 420 Times in 153 Posts
|
|
I'll buy one in .40 when they arrive. Glad they are making in this size.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 12:45 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Cary NC
Posts: 436
Likes: 76
Liked 141 Times in 74 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThrowinRocks
So 7.3 length compared to the 7.4 FS length and a slightly shorter grip = compact? okay
|
The "old compact" was really a subcompact. There never was a true compact (like the G19) except for the .45 ACP Compact, which is basically the size of this new unit.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 12:55 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: God's Country
Posts: 4,711
Likes: 1,235
Liked 3,535 Times in 1,770 Posts
|
|
Looks like everyone that wanted a M&P sized midway between the original 9FS and 9C can now own one. The heads on the Glock fanboys should start spinning.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 01:05 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Manassas Va
Posts: 437
Likes: 1
Liked 182 Times in 127 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThrowinRocks
So 7.3 length compared to the 7.4 FS length and a slightly shorter grip = compact? okay
|
I agree, it's too large. Lopping 1/4 inch barrel length from the full size is meaningless. I can't believe they even bother. I guess we will wait a bit to get official numbers but, if the above is correct, they only shortened the overall pistol by 1/10 inch. My M&Pc 1.0 is a lot easier for me to conceal on my hip than my wife's G19 so I guess I am one who doesn't think the G19 is so wonderful size wise.
|
09-08-2017, 01:27 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 359
Likes: 12
Liked 277 Times in 139 Posts
|
|
Given the size, you have to wonder if they'll be coming out with a subcompact to match up with what almost everyone else is doing.
Unless they figure there isnt a market for one and jumping all the way down to a shield is where they think people will buy.
Id vote for a double stack sub compact that competes with everyone else like springfield, etc.
__________________
Smith all the things
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 01:28 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 359
Likes: 12
Liked 277 Times in 139 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBStuard
I agree, it's too large. Lopping 1/4 inch barrel length from the full size is meaningless. I can't believe they even bother. I guess we will wait a bit to get official numbers but, if the above is correct, they only shortened the overall pistol by 1/10 inch. My M&Pc 1.0 is a lot easier for me to conceal on my hip than my wife's G19 so I guess I am one who doesn't think the G19 is so wonderful size wise.
|
But this is eactly what Sig, Glock, springfield, and almost everyone else does. They go 5, 4, 3(3.3 for 45) and then they drop down to single stack.
__________________
Smith all the things
|
09-08-2017, 01:58 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 92
Likes: 51
Liked 37 Times in 31 Posts
|
|
For me, the FS gun is just too limiting on not just the larger size, but the weight too when carrying concealed. Let me have a range gun, that I can lighten and shorten for occasional carry. Both my Shields are great EDC, but out in the woods hunting, plinking, carrying in the car are all more flexible and lend themselves to a bigger gun. Perfect size in my world
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 02:22 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: North Texas
Posts: 3,953
Likes: 8,114
Liked 10,478 Times in 2,966 Posts
|
|
I love my M&P 40 Compact with its 3.5" barrel and 10+1 capacity. It has been the perfect carry pistol for me for the last 2 1/2 years. Unfortunately, it developed some light strike problems at 8500 rounds, and is currently back at S&W for repair. If they can't get it to function the way it has in the past, I'll have to look elsewhere for a replacement, because the 2.0 Compact is simply too large for me to carry. Let's hope S&W will eventually produce a 3.5" short-grip 10+1 .40 cal. version.
__________________
What, me worry?
Last edited by swsig; 09-08-2017 at 02:23 PM.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 02:25 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 147
Likes: 571
Liked 93 Times in 51 Posts
|
|
The new pistol allows sales in states like Colorado where 15 round magazines are the largest allowed. The reduction in overall size is not significant.
|
09-08-2017, 02:32 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 359
Likes: 12
Liked 277 Times in 139 Posts
|
|
Still amazes me that Colorado of all places has restrictions like that.
__________________
Smith all the things
|
09-08-2017, 02:39 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 113
Likes: 282
Liked 158 Times in 53 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by comiskeybum
Still amazes me that Colorado of all places has restrictions like that.
|
California transplants are ruining everything they touch. Hell, most of the big cities in Texas are becoming very liberal.
|
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 02:49 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 822
Likes: 599
Liked 1,336 Times in 431 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by FredBart
The new pistol allows sales in states like Colorado where 15 round magazines are the largest allowed. The reduction in overall size is not significant.
|
My full size 2.0 came with fifteen round magazines from the factory. I didn't even know S&W offered them. I thought it would either be ten rounds or seventeen. I was surprised to see that offer ten, fifteen, or seventeen round magazines.
|
09-08-2017, 02:55 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 4
Likes: 3
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
|
|
It looks good. I have the first MP9C and love it. Idk if it would be worth the upgrade. Thanks for posting though, I love the M&P line of firearms.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
- Jasey Aphonephanh
|
09-08-2017, 06:42 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: midwest
Posts: 1,761
Likes: 4,703
Liked 2,710 Times in 909 Posts
|
|
I've got the 9c and 45c. Like the size and feel of the 45c and carry it most of the time. With the new 9c fitting right between the old 9c and the 9fs, and being the same size of the 45c, I might just have to add one to my M&P collection.
Last edited by Just another 22 shooter; 09-08-2017 at 09:02 PM.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 07:35 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,927
Likes: 2,548
Liked 3,838 Times in 1,133 Posts
|
|
A little closer look in a vid from Brownell's.
Spoiler alert: It's the same size as a G19.
__________________
America First
Last edited by okiegtrider; 09-08-2017 at 07:58 PM.
|
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 07:45 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 359
Likes: 12
Liked 277 Times in 139 Posts
|
|
Looks good. I have no need for one. Id want a full size since I already have a XD Mod.2 SC .
And even then id want to weigh the full size versus the 5 inch XD Mod.2
__________________
Smith all the things
|
09-08-2017, 08:06 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Tx
Posts: 139
Likes: 22
Liked 49 Times in 37 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by okiegtrider
|
That vid was useless.
|
09-08-2017, 08:12 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Cary NC
Posts: 436
Likes: 76
Liked 141 Times in 74 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ctxcummins
California transplants are ruining everything they touch. Hell, most of the big cities in Texas are becoming very liberal.
|
Yeah, they get sick of Cali and move, and then try to remake their new home into the one they left.
Sorry about the drift.........
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-08-2017, 11:34 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Posts: 199
Likes: 126
Liked 45 Times in 34 Posts
|
|
I would really consider selling my Gen4 G19 and getting one of these new M2.0 Compacts. I do have a new 5" FDE M2.0 in .40 and a 1.0 40c. Got quite a few goodies for both.
I'm pretty sure I'll be able to use the "New" M2.0 compact magazines on the older 1.0 compacts. I could see my 40c go from a 10 round mag to a 13 round mag. I do use the full size 15 round magazines when I CCW my 40c from time to time.
Nice Job S&W!
|
09-09-2017, 09:09 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: NW Arkansas
Posts: 317
Likes: 64
Liked 192 Times in 104 Posts
|
|
I agree with others, not really a compact anymore. Might as well just buy the FS 2.0. I EDC the 40C and would not be able to carry the way I do if it were any wider or longer, which this gun seems to be both of.
I'm sure it's a fine pistol, but it's no longer a compact, IMO.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-09-2017, 06:11 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 206
Likes: 59
Liked 123 Times in 54 Posts
|
|
I like it. I have never warmed up to the stubby grip compacts. Always thought the Glock 19/23 was about the perfect size. I was about to get a new one in Generation 5 but now I think I'll hold off to check out the new M&P.
__________________
Cliff
CCSO, FPD ret, USN ret.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-09-2017, 07:53 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: NW Arkansas
Posts: 317
Likes: 64
Liked 192 Times in 104 Posts
|
|
Curious why you would pick this one over the full size 2.0? They seem to be almost identical, from the specs we've seen so far.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-09-2017, 08:17 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 8,158
Likes: 3,605
Liked 5,199 Times in 2,172 Posts
|
|
Fits this IDPA Division:
8.2.4 Compact Carry Pistol Division (CCP)
[FONT=:Calibri:][FONT=:Calibri:]Handguns permitted for use in CCP must:
A. Be semi-automatic.
B. Use 9 mm (9x19) or larger cartridges.
C. Barrel length 4 3/8" or less.
D. The unloaded firearm with the heaviest magazine must weigh 38.00 oz. or less.
E. The firearm with the largest magazine inserted must fit in the IDPA gun test box measuring 7 ¾” x 5 3/8” x 1
3/8”.
8.2.4.1 Start Condition
A. Single action only firearms will start cocked and locked. (hammer cocked, safety engaged).
B. Selective DA/SA firearms may start cocked and locked or de-cocked, at the shooter’s discretion.
C. DA, DAO, or striker fired firearms with a de-cocking lever or button will be de-cocked using the lever or button.
D. DA, DAO, or striker-fired firearms may have a manual safety engaged at the shooter’s discretion.
8.2.4.2 CCP Permitted Features and Modifications (Inclusive list):
CCP firearms must comply with all Enhanced Service Pistol (ESP) features and modifications, and equipment restrictions.
[/FONT]
[/FONT]
__________________
Science plus Art
Last edited by OKFC05; 09-09-2017 at 08:20 PM.
|
09-09-2017, 08:35 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: NW Arkansas
Posts: 317
Likes: 64
Liked 192 Times in 104 Posts
|
|
Not sure if that was in answer to my question above, but if so, doesn't the full size 2.0 also fit that division?
|
09-09-2017, 08:35 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 113
Likes: 282
Liked 158 Times in 53 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jejb
Curious why you would pick this one over the full size 2.0? They seem to be almost identical, from the specs we've seen so far.
|
Because it feels much better in my hand, with 99% of the performance and excellent capacity.
|
09-09-2017, 08:41 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 822
Likes: 599
Liked 1,336 Times in 431 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jejb
Not sure if that was in answer to my question above, but if so, doesn't the full size 2.0 also fit that division?
|
No. The 4.5" barrel excludes it from the CCP division. Possibly some of the other overall dimensions as well. As silly as it sounds, the CCP class was pretty much set up for the Glock 19. The 19 is pretty much the largest handgun that would qualify for that division.
|
09-09-2017, 08:51 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: NW Arkansas
Posts: 317
Likes: 64
Liked 192 Times in 104 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ctxcummins
Because it feels much better in my hand, with 99% of the performance and excellent capacity.
|
No offense, but how would you know that, since they have not actually hit the shelves yet?
|
09-09-2017, 08:52 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: NW Arkansas
Posts: 317
Likes: 64
Liked 192 Times in 104 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray1970
No. The 4.5" barrel excludes it from the CCP division. Possibly some of the other overall dimensions as well. As silly as it sounds, the CCP class was pretty much set up for the Glock 19. The 19 is pretty much the largest handgun that would qualify for that division.
|
Barrel length is 4.25" on the FS 2.0.
M&P(R)9 M2.0™ | Smith & Wesson
Last edited by jejb; 09-09-2017 at 08:53 PM.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-09-2017, 08:52 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 8,158
Likes: 3,605
Liked 5,199 Times in 2,172 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jejb
Not sure if that was in answer to my question above, but if so, doesn't the full size 2.0 also fit that division?
|
I wish. Gun with magazine must fit in "box" specified. The full size M&P will not go in with magazine inserted.
The 15 rounder in the compact M&P does fit the box.
When CCP Division first came out, many of us thought they just measured a G19 for the box.
__________________
Science plus Art
Last edited by OKFC05; 09-09-2017 at 08:57 PM.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-09-2017, 10:09 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 113
Likes: 282
Liked 158 Times in 53 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jejb
No offense, but how would you know that, since they have not actually hit the shelves yet?
|
I'm talking about that specific size of pistol.
|
|
|
Thread Tools |
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
|
|
|
|